Knee jerk offseason plan , no QB

Cousins 28 million will hit whether he is signed or not. Evans is 30 years old. We still need money to sign Jefferson, they could pick up Darrisaw's 5th year option and Hunter's possible cap hit is something to consider. Probably have to get rid of Harrison Smith because of an 11 million dollar hit. Antoine Winfield is in the final year of his rookie deal so he could be resigned by Tampa 

As far as the quarterbacks are concerned, they could sign Dobbs and Mullens but is that really the best option? Depends on what you are looking for out of the season. I don't see Mullens correcting anything, he is what he is. He is a backup. Hall is qb3 maybe. 

Still need a center if you want to run power. Bradbury is a liability in that scenario. 

Kirk is the big unknown because of the injury and how he will recover. The key is whether he is extended or not. Definitely need edge help on the defense and a nose tackle or a 3 tech.

Have to figure out the run game and screens. 

If that's the plan, I'll be skipping watching the Vikings next season. 

If the team wants to move on from Kirko, there will be better vet QB options available than Mullens or Dobbs. Both have shown to be turnover machines. I don't want either on next year's roster. Not even as back ups.

@"Knucklehead" said: If the team wants to move on from Kirko, there will be better vet QB options available than Mullens or Dobbs. Both have shown to be turnover machines. I don't want either on next year's roster. Not even as back ups.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Knucklehead" said: If the team wants to move on from Kirko, there will be better vet QB options available than Mullens or Dobbs. Both have shown to be turnover machines. I don't want either on next year's roster. Not even as back ups.

Agreed. If the plan turns out to be move on from Kirk and sign a bridge vet QB to play ahead of a highly drafted rookie QB for a year, it can't be Mullens or Dobbs. Can't.

@"Bullazin" said: Lets say we decline to spend our draft capital to move up for Williams or Maye and dont value the rest of the QB’s to take them at 12.

 In this case we let Kirko go and roll with Mullens and Hall who are both under contract.  Heres the thing, Mullens can put points on the board and we have a top 5 pass blocking oline in place. We add a WR and Dline, corner and S at picks 1 and 2 and our 2 key FA signing. The WR further bolsters our targets for Mullens(Mike Evans or Antoine Winfield Jr anyone?)

We could even sign Pastronaut to compete with Mullens in a full training camp and see what happens. 

This O would score a crapton of points and we rely on Bflo or Pettine to keep us middle of pack on D again with 3 upgrades and paying Dhunt. 
 
 Obviously the turnover sitch looms large, especially Mullens can correct some of his most glaring errors. 

If it doesnt work, we are parted with an aging Kirk coming off a potentially career ending injury and even if we are not that good, it gives all the people that want to rebuild a high draft pick with some nice pieces in plac and big future cap space.   Thoughts?

Either way, this team is not going to saddle Jefferson, Addison and Hockenson with a starting QB like Mullens or Dobbs. They will either sign Cousins (most likely), draft a QB capable of starting right away (trade up), or both. 

I think one of these 5 QBs will be there for us,
Williams, Maye, Penix, McCarthy, Nix.

@"FLVike" said:

I think one of these 5 QBs will be there for us, Williams, Maye, Penix, McCarthy, Nix.

As of today, I think Penix, Nix & McCarthy (if he declares) will be available for us. The question is does KOC like any of these 3 to run his offense.
You also have to consider if the value is there to draft them in our current position or can we trade down, add an additional pick & still get our guy. Or are we better served to draft another position of need w/ our 1st round pick & select a QB in the 2nd (possible Nix). Or if you want to take advantage of the 5th year option, trade up into the 1st round using our 2nd & additional draft picks. These kind of decisions is where a good GM makes his bones.

@"Knucklehead" said:

@"FLVike" said:

I think one of these 5 QBs will be there for us, Williams, Maye, Penix, McCarthy, Nix.

As of today, I think Penix, Nix & McCarthy (if he declares) will be available for us. The question is does KOC like any of these 3 to run his offense.
You also have to consider if the value is there to draft them in our current position or can we trade down, add an additional pick & still get our guy. Or are we better served to draft another position of need w/ our 1st round pick & select a QB in the 2nd (possible Nix). Or if you want to take advantage of the 5th year option, trade up into the 1st round using our 2nd & additional draft picks. These kind of decisions is where a good GM makes his bones.

Nix and McCarthy should be available for us. Penix may have played himself into the top group of QBs with Williams, Maye, and Daniels. Penix's issues are injury history and age. He answered all other questions vs Texas. I would take him in a minute if he falls to us. And I think he may be able to start right away. Cannot say that for JJ McCarthy, but he is so young. 

@"dadevike" said: Nix and McCarthy should be available for us. Penix may have played himself into the top group of QBs with Williams, Maye, and Daniels. Penix's issues are injury history and age. He answered all other questions vs Texas. I would take him in a minute if he falls to us. And I think he may be able to start right away. Cannot say that for JJ McCarthy, but he is so young. 

@"Greylock" said:

@"dadevike" said: Nix and McCarthy should be available for us. Penix may have played himself into the top group of QBs with Williams, Maye, and Daniels. Penix's issues are injury history and age. He answered all other questions vs Texas. I would take him in a minute if he falls to us. And I think he may be able to start right away. Cannot say that for JJ McCarthy, but he is so young. 

I don't think age is that big of a thing anymore.  They come into the league more mature and able to handle the bright lights better than maybe a younger guy that may have to sit a season or two.  But injuries are certainly a concern with Penix.

If we have the 12th pick and Penix is still on the board at 7 I would trade up and take him

@"FLVike" said: If we have the 12th pick and Penix is still on the board at 7 I would trade up and take him

@"Knucklehead" said:

@"FLVike" said:

I think one of these 5 QBs will be there for us, Williams, Maye, Penix, McCarthy, Nix.

As of today, I think Penix, Nix & McCarthy (if he declares) will be available for us. The question is does KOC like any of these 3 to run his offense.
You also have to consider if the value is there to draft them in our current position or can we trade down, add an additional pick & still get our guy. Or are we better served to draft another position of need w/ our 1st round pick & select a QB in the 2nd (possible Nix). Or if you want to take advantage of the 5th year option, trade up into the 1st round using our 2nd & additional draft picks. These kind of decisions is where a good GM makes his bones.

Penix had 2 injuries to the same ACL and 2 shoulder injuries. Not quite sold on McCarthy or Nix. 

@"Vikergirl" said: Penix had 2 injuries to the same ACL and 2 shoulder injuries. Not quite sold on McCarthy or Nix. 

@"TBro" said:

@"Vikergirl" said: Penix had 2 injuries to the same ACL and 2 shoulder injuries. Not quite sold on McCarthy or Nix. 

McCarthy is the big question mark. He really isn't asked to do very much in Michigan's offense. As of now, he has a 2nd round grade. That could easily change if he has a big performance against Washington, and really shines at his Pro Day. 

@"Knucklehead" said:

@"FLVike" said:

I think one of these 5 QBs will be there for us, Williams, Maye, Penix, McCarthy, Nix.

As of today, I think Penix, Nix & McCarthy (if he declares) will be available for us. The question is does KOC like any of these 3 to run his offense.
You also have to consider if the value is there to draft them in our current position or can we trade down, add an additional pick & still get our guy. Or are we better served to draft another position of need w/ our 1st round pick & select a QB in the 2nd (possible Nix). Or if you want to take advantage of the 5th year option, trade up into the 1st round using our 2nd & additional draft picks. These kind of decisions is where a good GM makes his bones.

I’d identify the new guy coming out at 12 assuming they aren’t completely sure on Hall. I’d sign Kirk to a 2 year deal. He should come at a reasonable price tag, although he’s going to get a ton of consideration from other clubs. Had he kept this year’s trajectory, he’d have commanded a pile next year so the team may catch a little break with the injury. 
Mullins is not the answer. If you’re not playing for a title each year, why are you playing? I get the shininess of tear downs and a rookie draft QB, but not all of those guys work out. Also, for the gobs of teams I’ve seen tear it down, very few ever made a Super Bowl. 
The secret sauce isn’t a secret, but for some reason it is elusive to most. One need look no further than the Patriots epic run of Superbowls. What was their secret? It wasn’t Tom Brady. You absolutely do have to have a great QB who can put up points and play smart, but the secret to their success is they nearly always yielded a top 10 defense. A guy like Kirk Cousins would be in the Super Bowl hunt every ingle year if the other side of the ball was top 10 annually. 
This team has developed a really solid offense with not a lot of weaknesses. The defense is on the right track as long as they continue to focus on it like last year with the right coach in the building. 
This team gets Kirk signed, take that rookie at 12 without much worry. That gives that first round QB a couple of years with one of the best pros (in my opinion) in the league to learn from. Keep working on that defense and they are good to go next year. Injuries can always derail a season, but having the actual answer behind Kirk is the key. 
Tear down? That should never have to happen if you’re doing your job. Looks like Sean Payton is going to try that route, let’s just see how it works out for him.