Coaching

@"Vikergirl" said: Ok for all those peeps that think the Vikings should start over with a new coach, who you got? I don't think a coaching change is it but I'm just curious 

KOC is doing just fine. This year is a mulligan with the revolving door at QB and other team injuries. 

@"AGRforever" said:

@"Vikergirl" said: Ok for all those peeps that think the Vikings should start over with a new coach, who you got? I don't think a coaching change is it but I'm just curious 

KOC is doing just fine. This year is a mulligan with the revolving door at QB and other team injuries. 

@"AGRforever" said:

@"Vikergirl" said: Ok for all those peeps that think the Vikings should start over with a new coach, who you got? I don't think a coaching change is it but I'm just curious 

KOC is doing just fine. This year is a mulligan with the revolving door at QB and other team injuries. 

Please, KOC will never get us to the Superbowl. I seriously doubt he will even win a playoff game. The only thing he has shown is that he has no clue whatsoever.

Make KOC hand over play calling to OC. He needs to concentrate on coaching...

He’s a second year coach who the players love who is 20-13 (0-1 playoffs). Yeah he could be better and his offense has looked mostly lost since Kirk went down. Valid. But 90% of the fanbases in the NFL seem to want their coach fired. So if 90% of the coaches are bums then who are we getting that’s a huge upgrade over KO?

I’m still a big KO fan. Almost no coaches look good without a QB, and we haven’t had one for half the season. 

I mean....those Harbaugh guys are pretty good

Flores…? 

@"supafreak84" said: I mean....those Harbaugh guys are pretty good

For sure, but that ship's sailed. Doubt either would take an interview here now. So again to OP's question: who we bringing in?
Belichek is available and interesting. Outside of him I don't think there's anyone. This is all moot because the Vikings aren't firing KO but even for arguments sake I just don't think the idea of hiring someone else holds water, unless you're trying to trade the Rams, Niners, Ravens or Chiefs multiple firsts for a coach.

I mean 1 Harbaugh used the Vikings as leverage for Michigan. The other one is with the Ravens. 

People underestimate how hard it is to be perennially good
in the NFL.  You basically need a good
GM, good coaching staff, and a good QB and then you have to be relatively injury
free any given year.  If your starting QB
or too many of your good players get injured, there’s basically nothing you can
do.  If your GM has 2 bad drafts in a row,
now your in a hole that’s hard to get out of. 
If one of your coordinators leaves to get a HC position and you can’t
find another top coordinator to replace them, now most of your players on that
side of the ball are going to be 10% worse and that’s a huge margin in the NFL.

I don’t think you’d see any HC that would have weathered the
injuries we’ve seen this year, double so since this is our rebuilding year and
we’re running with a shortened roster. 
Could another HC have gotten us into a first round playoff loss?  Sure, but I don’t think that really is what
people have in mind with a different coaching staff.

KOC is a young coach. 
He clearly has stuff to work on, but he’s not a bad coach.  I think in year 3, he really needs to hone in
on finding a competent running game such that we get true multiplicity on
offense where both are a threat, and he can pass to setup the run or run to
setup the pass.  He probably needs to
find a method of making his offense easier to learn for his QBs as all of his
QBs have struggled to really hit the ground running with his system.  He needs to get better organization on the
sideline.

@"Vikergirl" said: I mean 1 Harbaugh used the Vikings as leverage for Michigan.

How do you figure that? 

I kept wishing the Vikings would raid the Ravens front office when cleaning house. They always draft well and have tough teams year after year. They had a buddy in the browns office unfortunately.

@"pattersaur" said: He’s a second year coach who the players love who is 20-13 (0-1 playoffs). 

I’m still a big KO fan. Almost no coaches look good without a QB

He's 12-13 last 25 and I believe 9-8 last 17 with Kirk and JJ in the lineup.

It also feels to me like his lack of in-game/OC chops are leading where I thought they eventually would-to the players tuning him and his rah rah out. It seemed pretty apparent the other night.

Coaches who have to go to the podium every week and talk about fixing stuff and doing better and what's unacceptable are coaches who sooner or later get pink slips.
Think Leslie Frazier.

@"supafreak84" said:

@"Vikergirl" said: I mean 1 Harbaugh used the Vikings as leverage for Michigan.

How do you figure that? 

Losing Cousins was the difference between winning the division and possibly having a first round bye, KOC's consistent poor game management decisions was the difference between making the playoffs despite losing Cousins and potentially coming in last.  Sunday also exposed Flores as well, we played against mostly week QBs and offenses this year which made the defense look better than they were, he was embarrassingly outcoached this week and there is a reason why he did not have one other DC offer.  

Harbaugh thought he had the job the moment he walked into the Viking facility.  If he had been hired and had a mediocre season all of the Internet GM's would be bitching wondering why they hired this guy.

Pattersaur mentioned Belichek but Brady made him look good and besides he likes to play GM and in todays game that is too much to handle besides being coach.

@"Greylock" said: Harbaugh thought he had the job the moment he walked into the Viking facility.  If he had been hired and had a mediocre season all of the Internet GM's would be bitching wondering why they hired this guy.

Pattersaur mentioned Belichek but Brady made him look good and besides he likes to play GM and in todays game that is too much to handle besides being coach.

Jim is a winner, but there's also some baggage that comes with Jim from what went down in San Francisco to the recent developments at Michigan. However, I would bet dollars to donuts he didn't get the Vikings job because he is a strong personality that certainly would want some say in building the roster, and that's not something KAM coming in as a fresh GM wanted to give up, so he instead went with a very young first time head coach who would basically be a "yes" man and fist pumper for every move Kwesi made. It's still undetermined if it was the right decision or not, but I don't think there is any way Harbough wouldn't have come to Minnesota and turned this team into contenders 

The jury is still very much out on KOC.  He brought new energy to the team and hired Flores -- big positives there.  He over-achieved in year #1.  And while I get the injury bug was an anchor this year, I don't know how you can say KOC did not underperform (significantly) this year.  Skodin summarized it pretty well.  The guy started 1-4 with a vet QB and a healthy lineup.  When he doubled-down on Dobbs, I thought -- Ok, KOC is going to re-tool the offense with the bye-week to take advantage of Dobb's strengths.  But no dice -- not a single RPO, limited roll-outs -- the same damn offense designed for the statuesque Cousins.  That's really what started raising questions in my mind.  Starting Jaren Hall with the playoffs on the line -- WTF was that?  Hall looked like doggy-do in pre-season.  He had one decent drive going in his lone start ... maybe KOC saw something here?  Turns out -- no.  Again, more questions about whether he is the guy who can get it done for this team...

Those first weeks were definitely a cluster with piss poor execution. The revolving door at qb shows how important to qb position is and the ripple effect that can have. There is definitely work to do but it can be done. A lot of people wanted to see Hall, well we saw him and there you go. Again so what if there was a sliver of a chance at the playoffs, I mean seriously they could have limped in but why? It's not like they were going anywhere. And with the back to back beatings, the team needs to move forward. Also what is the mandate from the Wilfs? Is it still "competitive rebuild" (aka butts in seats) or what? This offseason is going to be huge.