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Pissed another one away....

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Tough to watch. Listen, I get that we don't have Kirk Cousins and the season was only going to be so much because of that. But Minnesota has pissed away some stellar defensive play and timely yet sporadic offensive plays to piss away games in the 4th quarter despite losing their top QB. To think that Minnesota could very easily and genuinely be at least a 10 win team right now minimum with some better play calling and very untimely turnovers. And when Cousins WAS healthy, they pissed away a few games with having the most turnovers in a 3 game space of any other team in the NFL. Its really frustrating. If the team was getting blown out, I'd be way less frustrated. But they put themselves in some really good spots with all the injury chaos and just pulled defeat from the jaws of victory. 

Part of me knows they can be well coached or they wouldn't be able to overcome the injuries to be in every football game. Yet KOC has really had some head-scratching drives to go with that. I'm not going to belabor those plays from yesterday, we know what they were. Yet the team was up 17-3 at one time and left points on the field. Mullens was wildly inconsistent. If you'd have told me Ty Chandler would rush for 132 yards and a TD, I'd have said that's a W. So regardless of not having the straw that stirs the drink in Cousins, the team has sadly messed up some wins and turned them into losses. And didn't help to watch Browning throwing up hero balls that should have been interceptions and instead were huge gains and TDs. 

Just kind of watched things unfold with quiet resignation as the game slipped away yet again.

#1 · Dec 17, 7:24 AM
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Agreed. So frustrating to watch. From KOC's much beleaguered decision on 4th down, to Mullens costing us points with bad int's, to the defense giving up big play after big play in the second half...this was as frustrating a game to watch as any this season. It sure doesn't inspire confidence that we'll win any of the next three, does it?

#2 · Dec 17, 7:32 AM
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It's Hall time.  I want to have a clue as to what we have at QB before the season ends.  

#3 · Dec 17, 7:39 AM
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QB of the future:

Dobbs - No
Mullen - No
Cousins - Yes, if we want to.
Hall - ???
Rd 1 draft pick - ???

Let's answer the Hall question before the draft question.  

#4 · Dec 17, 7:45 AM
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Vikings dominated most of the game. When it was 17-3 it really should've been 31-3 or at least 23-3. Vikings were in field goal range on both of Mullens picks.

Flores added two more quarters to his streak of quarters without a TD...against a pretty good offense. Chandler looked great. Hunter added two more sacks. There are really good things about this team that I hope we get to see next year when Cousins is back. 

But I've seen it a hundred times. When momentum shifts in a game, it's really hard to stop it. 

#5 · Dec 17, 7:48 AM
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@"minny65" said: QB of the future:

Dobbs - No
Mullen - No
Cousins - Yes, if we want to.
Hall - ???
Rd 1 draft pick - ???

Let's answer the Hall question before the draft question.  


I'm not sure throwing Hall in for the last 3 games against NFCN opponents that both could be in the playoffs will be that telling about his future. But after seeing what Mullens did yesterday, why the hell not? It just felt like Mullens couldn't throw the ball downfield. But its going to be Mullens again this weekend.

#6 · Dec 17, 7:49 AM
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KOC is directly responsible for 3 of the last 4 losses, it is painfully obvious he does not have the sensibility to be a HC.  Raise your hand if you thought between Dan Campbell and KOC that it would be the latter making bonehead decisions to lose games consistently.  I am also not impressed with Flores like others, if Browning didn't miss wide open WRs we would not have held them to 3 early, we have been lucky to play against some very subpar QBs and yet Flores consistently goes soft at the end of the games, this defense does not play to win games, when we need to have a stop at the end, you can expect a 3 man rush and a wide open middle of the field, there is a reason he had no other offers for a DC job.

#7 · Dec 17, 8:21 AM
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Play Hall the last three games and see what we got at quarterback going into the next season...

#8 · Dec 17, 9:04 AM
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@"StickyBun" said: Tough to watch. Listen, I get that we don't have Kirk Cousins and the season was only going to be so much because of that. But Minnesota has pissed away some stellar defensive play and timely yet sporadic offensive plays to piss away games in the 4th quarter despite losing their top QB. To think that Minnesota could very easily and genuinely be at least a 10 win team right now minimum with some better play calling and very untimely turnovers. And when Cousins WAS healthy, they pissed away a few games with having the most turnovers in a 3 game space of any other team in the NFL. Its really frustrating. If the team was getting blown out, I'd be way less frustrated. But they put themselves in some really good spots with all the injury chaos and just pulled defeat from the jaws of victory. 

Part of me knows they can be well coached or they wouldn't be able to overcome the injuries to be in every football game. Yet KOC has really had some head-scratching drives to go with that. I'm not going to belabor those plays from yesterday, we know what they were. Yet the team was up 17-3 at one time and left points on the field. Mullens was wildly inconsistent. If you'd have told me Ty Chandler would rush for 132 yards and a TD, I'd have said that's a W. So regardless of not having the straw that stirs the drink in Cousins, the team has sadly messed up some wins and turned them into losses. And didn't help to watch Browning throwing up hero balls that should have been interceptions and instead were huge gains and TDs. 

Just kind of watched things unfold with quiet resignation as the game slipped away yet again.


Yep.  sooooo many chances to put that game away and we dont do it. reminded me of the chargers game. 

#9 · Dec 17, 9:41 AM
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It just goes to show how everything broke down once Cousins went down. Qb issues, OL issues, turnovers, play calling, injuries and on and on it goes. They are trying to figure it out on the fly and this is what you get

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@"Vikergirl" said: It just goes to show how everything broke down once Cousins went down. Qb issues, OL issues, turnovers, play calling, injuries and on and on it goes. They are trying to figure it out on the fly and this is what you get
I do wonder why it takes a team 15 weeks to find out who their best RB is.
#11 · Dec 17, 10:08 PM
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-6 in Turnovers ain't  good enough.

To be a playoff  team, they need to be in positive territory

https://www.footballdb.com/stats/turnovers.html

#12 · Dec 18, 1:02 AM
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I don't mind being a bad or average team who just gets beat by better teams.

I FU&#(NG HATE a team that beats itself.   Even the losses to the Eagles and Chiefs were debatable if they beat us vs our own mistakes (JJ fumbling out of the end zone, Mattison fumbling, Mattison dropping a sure fire TD on the screen).

Tampa, Los Angeles, Denver, Chicago, Cincy.  All games where we beat ourselves.   Dumb play calling, questionable time management, red zone failures.  At worst we should have been 4-1 during that stretch, sad considering 3 were at home

We have the talent, even with the mash unit we have been running around.  It's a shame because the NFC is for the taking this year

#13 · Dec 18, 1:35 PM
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@"Skodin" said: I don't mind being a bad or average team who just gets beat by better teams.

I FU&#(NG HATE a team that beats itself.   Even the losses to the Eagles and Chiefs were debatable if they beat us vs our own mistakes (JJ fumbling out of the end zone, Mattison fumbling, Mattison dropping a sure fire TD on the screen).

Tampa, Los Angeles, Denver, Chicago, Cincy.  All games where we beat ourselves.   Dumb play calling, questionable time management, red zone failures.  At worst we should have been 4-1 during that stretch, sad considering 3 were at home

We have the talent, even with the mash unit we have been running around.  It's a shame because the NFC is for the taking this year


Not to absolve play-calling and scheme all together....

 +/- has killed this team in 23
 They should have player Chandler much earlier then they did
  Not having KC hurts the ability to cover deficiencies elsewhere. In fact I would argue that it exacerbates them. 

#14 · Dec 18, 2:27 PM
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@"kmillard" said:
@"Vikergirl" said: It just goes to show how everything broke down once Cousins went down. Qb issues, OL issues, turnovers, play calling, injuries and on and on it goes. They are trying to figure it out on the fly and this is what you get
I do wonder why it takes a team 15 weeks to find out who their best RB is.
This criticism is 100% fair. Pass blocking deficiencies be damned, especially once JJ got hurt we needed guys who can make plays on the field as much as possible.
#15 · Dec 19, 7:48 AM
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Maybe KOC being Head Coach and Offensive Coordinator is just to much. Thoughts?

#16 · Dec 19, 7:56 AM
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@"pattersaur" said:
@"kmillard" said:
@"Vikergirl" said: It just goes to show how everything broke down once Cousins went down. Qb issues, OL issues, turnovers, play calling, injuries and on and on it goes. They are trying to figure it out on the fly and this is what you get
I do wonder why it takes a team 15 weeks to find out who their best RB is.
This criticism is 100% fair. Pass blocking deficiencies be damned, especially once JJ got hurt we needed guys who can make plays on the field as much as possible.
Because Mattison is trust worthy . . . a nice guy . . and looks capable . . which is exactly why the Wilfs hired KOC.

Yet, he hasn't show any game breaking capabilities and is not trust worthy.  

The moment Cousins went down, he should have taken a back seat for Chandler.

#17 · Dec 19, 7:56 AM
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@"pattersaur" said:
@"kmillard" said:
@"Vikergirl" said: It just goes to show how everything broke down once Cousins went down. Qb issues, OL issues, turnovers, play calling, injuries and on and on it goes. They are trying to figure it out on the fly and this is what you get
I do wonder why it takes a team 15 weeks to find out who their best RB is.
This criticism is 100% fair. Pass blocking deficiencies be damned, especially once JJ got hurt we needed guys who can make plays on the field as much as possible.

You just can't discount the importance of pass blocking for your RB. Because one of two things is going to happen. Either your QB is going to be sacked on a missed block or you're telegraphing to the defense that it's going to be a run play. Failure at pass blocking is probably the biggest reason why college RBs don't transition to the NFL. That & their inability to catch. Just look at our own 7th round pick, DeWayne McBride.

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