They gotta win at least one more, right?

If KOC gives up play calling then I think we have a chance. The 3rd and 4th down and inches calls will be remembered for his entire career if he doesn't get us to the SB.

Something ain't right.

You can see in the video  Flores is standing next to him and says, "take a timeout"
 

KOC  decides to proceed forward with the play called.

There's  2 timeouts in OT,  It was sudden death overtime. Use them!

KOC is beating himself.

@"CFIAvike" said: I got called out when i said 8-9 was a possibility, but not even I thought 7-10 could happen.  

I gotta think we can at least split with both the Packers and the Lions 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"CFIAvike" said: I got called out when i said 8-9 was a possibility, but not even I thought 7-10 could happen.  

I gotta think we can at least split with both the Packers and the Lions 

Who called you out? 

@"Mattyman" said: https://youtu.be/TPAlEC_zV-U?t=1680

Something ain't right.

You can see in the video  Flores is standing next to him and says, "take a timeout"
 

KOC  decides to proceed forward with the play called.

There's  2 timeouts in OT,  It was sudden death overtime. Use them!

KOC is beating himself.

Timestamp 28:08 if anyone wants to relive the pain. Flores 100% says timeout. Big flub by KO. It happens.

@"pattersaur" said:

Timestamp 28:08 if anyone wants to relive the pain. Flores 100% says timeout. Big flub by KO. It happens.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

Timestamp 28:08 if anyone wants to relive the pain. Flores 100% says timeout. Big flub by KO. It happens.

Why was not calling a timeout a flub though? Not following that. 

Not sure how you do not listen to your DC who is begging you to call timeout, I am really shocked how anyone can defend his decision making which is beyond bizarre, I have never seen anything like it and he never learns, just every week continues to amaze with decisions that defy all logic. 

@"JR44" said: Not sure how you do not listen to your DC who is begging you to call timeout, I am really shocked how anyone can defend his decision making which is beyond bizarre, I have never seen anything like it and he never learns, just every week continues to amaze with decisions that defy all logic. 

O'Connell said today that this is indeed what Flores was talking to him about on the sideline between the two tush push sneaks in OT: Take a timeout to allow for a review. That proved moot when officials told O'Connell that the spot had been reviewed and confirmed. https://t.co/g3grCYhmxv

— Kevin Seifert (@SeifertESPN) December 18, 2023

@"Skodin" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

Timestamp 28:08 if anyone wants to relive the pain. Flores 100% says timeout. Big flub by KO. It happens.

Why was not calling a timeout a flub though? Not following that. 

Why not call a timeout?  You have them in your pocket, you are a first down away from being in field goal range.  They have a loud crowd with momentum.  That was the time to take a timeout.  Why rush?  Seemed like a foolish mistake to drive the same head into the same wall.

@"StickyBun" said:

Relax. What is defying logic is how hard you want your narrative to be true.

O'Connell said today that this is indeed what Flores was talking to him about on the sideline between the two tush push sneaks in OT: Take a timeout to allow for a review. That proved moot when officials told O'Connell that the spot had been reviewed and confirmed. https://t.co/g3grCYhmxv

— Kevin Seifert (@SeifertESPN) December 18, 2023

@"JR44" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

Relax. What is defying logic is how hard you want your narrative to be true.

O'Connell said today that this is indeed what Flores was talking to him about on the sideline between the two tush push sneaks in OT: Take a timeout to allow for a review. That proved moot when officials told O'Connell that the spot had been reviewed and confirmed. https://t.co/g3grCYhmxv

— Kevin Seifert (@SeifertESPN) December 18, 2023

I find it amazing how some people would rather die a painful death than admit they're wrong. You can have your opinion on KOC, but you are wrong about this Flores/KOC timeout thing you THOUGHT was something else. There's no spin, just what actually happened. Unreal.

I still think calling a timeout or doing basically anything other than running the play we ran would’ve been a better option. I never thought there was any riff with Flo and I’m a big KO fan. I just don’t think that was a well designed play.

This team has had short yardage problems on 3rd and 4th down long before KO though. 

@"pattersaur" said: I still think calling a timeout or doing basically anything other than running the play we ran would’ve been a better option. I never thought there was any riff with Flo and I’m a big KO fan. I just don’t think that was a well designed play.

This team has had short yardage problems on 3rd and 4th down long before KO though. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Skodin" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

Timestamp 28:08 if anyone wants to relive the pain. Flores 100% says timeout. Big flub by KO. It happens.

Why was not calling a timeout a flub though? Not following that. 

Why not call a timeout?  You have them in your pocket, you are a first down away from being in field goal range.  They have a loud crowd with momentum.  That was the time to take a timeout.  Why rush?  Seemed like a foolish mistake to drive the same head into the same wall.

See above. Wasn't foolish, nor bad coaching nor a riff with Flores, lol. Much to the chagrin of some here for sure (eye roll). 

@"Skodin" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Skodin" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

Timestamp 28:08 if anyone wants to relive the pain. Flores 100% says timeout. Big flub by KO. It happens.

Why was not calling a timeout a flub though? Not following that. 

Why not call a timeout?  You have them in your pocket, you are a first down away from being in field goal range.  They have a loud crowd with momentum.  That was the time to take a timeout.  Why rush?  Seemed like a foolish mistake to drive the same head into the same wall.

See above. Wasn't foolish, nor bad coaching nor a riff with Flores, lol. Much to the chagrin of some here for sure (eye roll). 

you mean to tell me you think that back to back play call, with that personnel wasn't foolish?  Doing that when the crowd was right behind them on a 3rd and 1 and running the same play again?  Are you serious?  

You have every call in the playbook to throw out there and you do that??  TWICE?  The play call was terrible, doing with a midget center with a bad back and a back up QB with a bad back, pushed by your PR was unreal.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Skodin" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Skodin" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

Timestamp 28:08 if anyone wants to relive the pain. Flores 100% says timeout. Big flub by KO. It happens.

Why was not calling a timeout a flub though? Not following that. 

Why not call a timeout?  You have them in your pocket, you are a first down away from being in field goal range.  They have a loud crowd with momentum.  That was the time to take a timeout.  Why rush?  Seemed like a foolish mistake to drive the same head into the same wall.

See above. Wasn't foolish, nor bad coaching nor a riff with Flores, lol. Much to the chagrin of some here for sure (eye roll). 

you mean to tell me you think that back to back play call, with that personnel wasn't foolish?  Doing that when the crowd was right behind them on a 3rd and 1 and running the same play again?  Are you serious?  

You have every call in the playbook to throw out there and you do that??  TWICE?  The play call was terrible, doing with a midget center with a bad back and a back up QB with a bad back, pushed by your PR was unreal.

Sigh. I'm talking about the timeout, not the play call. I've mentioned several times I hated the play call. I started the thread about KOC being a good HC and include how much I hated those calls on 3rd and 4th down. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Skodin" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Skodin" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

Timestamp 28:08 if anyone wants to relive the pain. Flores 100% says timeout. Big flub by KO. It happens.

Why was not calling a timeout a flub though? Not following that. 

Why not call a timeout?  You have them in your pocket, you are a first down away from being in field goal range.  They have a loud crowd with momentum.  That was the time to take a timeout.  Why rush?  Seemed like a foolish mistake to drive the same head into the same wall.

See above. Wasn't foolish, nor bad coaching nor a riff with Flores, lol. Much to the chagrin of some here for sure (eye roll). 

you mean to tell me you think that back to back play call, with that personnel wasn't foolish?  Doing that when the crowd was right behind them on a 3rd and 1 and running the same play again?  Are you serious?  

You have every call in the playbook to throw out there and you do that??  TWICE?  The play call was terrible, doing with a midget center with a bad back and a back up QB with a bad back, pushed by your PR was unreal.

Sigh. I'm talking about the timeout, not the play call. I've mentioned several times I hated the play call. I started the thread about KOC being a good HC and include how much I hated those calls on 3rd and 4th down. 

Looked like the ball went across the goal line on the second effort on third down, but the refs couldn't see the ball. 
For some damn reason the refs have been marking the ball short all year. There was another instance where the Vikings scored and the ball was marked short recently as well.

With regard to the fourth down call, the Vikings haven't been able to convert short yardage when they need it, whether they sneak or hand it off. You can't fool the other team by calling that play when you don't have interior linemen who can physically dominate.
I won't judge KOC based on that bad call, but I sure would like to know why he thought it was the right call.
Easy to judge in retrospect, but he would have been a great coach had the play worked.