Golf: Money talks, bull$hit walks.....

It's just business, nothing new there 

@"Vikergirl" said: It's just business, nothing new there 

I thought the PGA and LIV merged?  The PGA made these guys who they are today, personally I think they are scum for defecting and I am with Rory and others on this.  Think they should not be allowed to participate in PGA events once they leave. PGA needs to take a harder stance.  There are plenty of great golfers who can fill their spots.  

Am I reading the article correct?  LIV is offering him $300M + partial ownership
of a team for 3 years work, compared to his lifetime earnings of $51M for the
PGA?  Every single person alive would be
stupid to stay on the PGA when that is the alternative.  I don’t think it’s fair to call him scum when
the numbers are that large.

@"medaille" said: Am I reading the article correct?  LIV is offering him $300M + partial ownership of a team for 3 years work, compared to his lifetime earnings of $51M for the PGA?  Every single person alive would be stupid to stay on the PGA when that is the alternative.  I don’t think it’s fair to call him scum when the numbers are that large.

@"JR44" said:

@"medaille" said: Am I reading the article correct?  LIV is offering him $300M + partial ownership of a team for 3 years work, compared to his lifetime earnings of $51M for the PGA?  Every single person alive would be stupid to stay on the PGA when that is the alternative.  I don’t think it’s fair to call him scum when the numbers are that large.

With PGA bonuses his earning have been 77 million and with marketing deals he is over 100 million.  Golf is not the NFL, the PGA has worked hard to put these guys in a position to make this kind of money.  So now you abandon the organization who provided you with that kind of living to go play for Saudi money?  What are you going to do differently in life with 300 million that you are not doing with 100 million?  Agree, it is sure tempting, but you and your kids and grandkids are already set for life for money, is it necessary?

@"medaille" said:

@"JR44" said:

@"medaille" said: Am I reading the article correct?  LIV is offering him $300M + partial ownership of a team for 3 years work, compared to his lifetime earnings of $51M for the PGA?  Every single person alive would be stupid to stay on the PGA when that is the alternative.  I don’t think it’s fair to call him scum when the numbers are that large.

With PGA bonuses his earning have been 77 million and with marketing deals he is over 100 million.  Golf is not the NFL, the PGA has worked hard to put these guys in a position to make this kind of money.  So now you abandon the organization who provided you with that kind of living to go play for Saudi money?  What are you going to do differently in life with 300 million that you are not doing with 100 million?  Agree, it is sure tempting, but you and your kids and grandkids are already set for life for money, is it necessary?

Why is it scummy for an employee to try to maximize their
earning potential, but not scummy for the corporation to pay below market value
by using anticompetitive tactics to maintain it’s monopoly?

@"JR44" said:

@"medaille" said: Am I reading the article correct?  LIV is offering him $300M + partial ownership of a team for 3 years work, compared to his lifetime earnings of $51M for the PGA?  Every single person alive would be stupid to stay on the PGA when that is the alternative.  I don’t think it’s fair to call him scum when the numbers are that large.

With PGA bonuses his earning have been 77 million and with marketing deals he is over 100 million.  Golf is not the NFL, the PGA has worked hard to put these guys in a position to make this kind of money.  So now you abandon the organization who provided you with that kind of living to go play for Saudi money?  What are you going to do differently in life with 300 million that you are not doing with 100 million?  Agree, it is sure tempting, but you and your kids and grandkids are already set for life for money, is it necessary?

@"JR44" said: I thought the PGA and LIV merged?  The PGA made these guys who they are today, personally I think they are scum for defecting and I am with Rory and others on this.  Think they should not be allowed to participate in PGA events once they leave. PGA needs to take a harder stance.  There are plenty of great golfers who can fill their spots.  

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JR44" said: I thought the PGA and LIV merged?  The PGA made these guys who they are today, personally I think they are scum for defecting and I am with Rory and others on this.  Think they should not be allowed to participate in PGA events once they leave. PGA needs to take a harder stance.  There are plenty of great golfers who can fill their spots.  

Please. Just stop. Its ridiculous and you'd take the money every day and twice on Sunday. 

@"JR44" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JR44" said: I thought the PGA and LIV merged?  The PGA made these guys who they are today, personally I think they are scum for defecting and I am with Rory and others on this.  Think they should not be allowed to participate in PGA events once they leave. PGA needs to take a harder stance.  There are plenty of great golfers who can fill their spots.  

Please. Just stop. Its ridiculous and you'd take the money every day and twice on Sunday. 

Got it, so it is ridiculous for someone to be loyal and to have their own personal ethics and morals guide their decision making.  Nice condescending take.  What is ridiculous is acting like these guys are getting paid minimum wage by the PGA, an organization that with the most extreme dedication and commitment turned what is arguably the most boring spectator sport, the sports equivalent of watching paint dry, into a sport that has turned these guys into international superstars, providing them marketing opportunities to earn more than their tour earnings by walking around as human billboards and creating generational wealth.  I guarantee you wouldn't have the same opinion if something like this was tearing the NFL apart. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JR44" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JR44" said: I thought the PGA and LIV merged?  The PGA made these guys who they are today, personally I think they are scum for defecting and I am with Rory and others on this.  Think they should not be allowed to participate in PGA events once they leave. PGA needs to take a harder stance.  There are plenty of great golfers who can fill their spots.  

Please. Just stop. Its ridiculous and you'd take the money every day and twice on Sunday. 

Got it, so it is ridiculous for someone to be loyal and to have their own personal ethics and morals guide their decision making.  Nice condescending take.  What is ridiculous is acting like these guys are getting paid minimum wage by the PGA, an organization that with the most extreme dedication and commitment turned what is arguably the most boring spectator sport, the sports equivalent of watching paint dry, into a sport that has turned these guys into international superstars, providing them marketing opportunities to earn more than their tour earnings by walking around as human billboards and creating generational wealth.  I guarantee you wouldn't have the same opinion if something like this was tearing the NFL apart. 

Yes, I would. And I love golf. But your rant has nothing to do with the MONEY. Its a unique situation. There's nothing condescending about my take, your take is ridiculous because I'd bet my house that if YOU were offered that kind of money, you'd take it. Rory can afford to be a little bitch boy, he's one of the richest golfers of all time. The 'integrity' of the game of golf, what a joke. Its a rich man's sport. And racist and sexist as hell:

"Augusta National admitted no African American members until 1990 and no women members until 2012. The club long required all caddies to be Black and banned Black golfers from the Masters Tournament until Lee Elder participated in 1975."

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JR44" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JR44" said: I thought the PGA and LIV merged?  The PGA made these guys who they are today, personally I think they are scum for defecting and I am with Rory and others on this.  Think they should not be allowed to participate in PGA events once they leave. PGA needs to take a harder stance.  There are plenty of great golfers who can fill their spots.  

Please. Just stop. Its ridiculous and you'd take the money every day and twice on Sunday. 

Got it, so it is ridiculous for someone to be loyal and to have their own personal ethics and morals guide their decision making.  Nice condescending take.  What is ridiculous is acting like these guys are getting paid minimum wage by the PGA, an organization that with the most extreme dedication and commitment turned what is arguably the most boring spectator sport, the sports equivalent of watching paint dry, into a sport that has turned these guys into international superstars, providing them marketing opportunities to earn more than their tour earnings by walking around as human billboards and creating generational wealth.  I guarantee you wouldn't have the same opinion if something like this was tearing the NFL apart. 

Yes, I would. And I love golf. But your rant has nothing to do with the MONEY. Its a unique situation. There's nothing condescending about my take, your take is ridiculous because I'd bet my house that if YOU were offered that kind of money, you'd take it. Rory can afford to be a little bitch boy, he's one of the richest golfers of all time. The 'integrity' of the game of golf, what a joke. Its a rich man's sport. And racist and sexist as hell:

"Augusta National admitted no African American members until 1990 and no women members until 2012. The club long required all caddies to be Black and banned Black golfers from the Masters Tournament until Lee Elder participated in 1975."

I think your take on golf is a bit aged considering one of the best of all times is half black half Asian,  and his mom was a woman and they didnt care.

I dont think it was a golf thing that kept minorities out for so long as much as it was a money thing,   but that has changed in the last twenty years so with the LPGA getting at more exposure and it seems that about 1/4 of most fields are minorities.  Considering that its a global game but not really played in poor parts of the world,  its likely really just about money and opportunity.
.

Also loyalty is a good thing no doubt but let's be real, corporations are not loyal to people they are loyal to themselves. Bottom line is you have to make your own decisions. There are certain corporations don't care about loyalty and others that only expect loyalty but don't give it in return. I am loyal to my friends and family and beliefs. I am loyal to those I help but I am not blindly loyal to any corporation, I am not at a stage in my life for that. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JR44" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JR44" said: I thought the PGA and LIV merged?  The PGA made these guys who they are today, personally I think they are scum for defecting and I am with Rory and others on this.  Think they should not be allowed to participate in PGA events once they leave. PGA needs to take a harder stance.  There are plenty of great golfers who can fill their spots.  

Please. Just stop. Its ridiculous and you'd take the money every day and twice on Sunday. 

Got it, so it is ridiculous for someone to be loyal and to have their own personal ethics and morals guide their decision making.  Nice condescending take.  What is ridiculous is acting like these guys are getting paid minimum wage by the PGA, an organization that with the most extreme dedication and commitment turned what is arguably the most boring spectator sport, the sports equivalent of watching paint dry, into a sport that has turned these guys into international superstars, providing them marketing opportunities to earn more than their tour earnings by walking around as human billboards and creating generational wealth.  I guarantee you wouldn't have the same opinion if something like this was tearing the NFL apart. 

Yes, I would. And I love golf. But your rant has nothing to do with the MONEY. Its a unique situation. There's nothing condescending about my take, your take is ridiculous because I'd bet my house that if YOU were offered that kind of money, you'd take it. Rory can afford to be a little bitch boy, he's one of the richest golfers of all time. The 'integrity' of the game of golf, what a joke. Its a rich man's sport. And racist and sexist as hell:

"Augusta National admitted no African American members until 1990 and no women members until 2012. The club long required all caddies to be Black and banned Black golfers from the Masters Tournament until Lee Elder participated in 1975."

I think your take on golf is a bit aged considering one of the best of all times is half black half Asian,  and his mom was a woman and they didnt care.

I dont think it was a golf thing that kept minorities out for so long as much as it was a money thing,   but that has changed in the last twenty years so with the LPGA getting at more exposure and it seems that about 1/4 of most fields are minorities.  Considering that its a global game but not really played in poor parts of the world,  its likely really just about money and opportunity.
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@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JR44" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JR44" said: I thought the PGA and LIV merged?  The PGA made these guys who they are today, personally I think they are scum for defecting and I am with Rory and others on this.  Think they should not be allowed to participate in PGA events once they leave. PGA needs to take a harder stance.  There are plenty of great golfers who can fill their spots.  

Please. Just stop. Its ridiculous and you'd take the money every day and twice on Sunday. 

Got it, so it is ridiculous for someone to be loyal and to have their own personal ethics and morals guide their decision making.  Nice condescending take.  What is ridiculous is acting like these guys are getting paid minimum wage by the PGA, an organization that with the most extreme dedication and commitment turned what is arguably the most boring spectator sport, the sports equivalent of watching paint dry, into a sport that has turned these guys into international superstars, providing them marketing opportunities to earn more than their tour earnings by walking around as human billboards and creating generational wealth.  I guarantee you wouldn't have the same opinion if something like this was tearing the NFL apart. 

Yes, I would. And I love golf. But your rant has nothing to do with the MONEY. Its a unique situation. There's nothing condescending about my take, your take is ridiculous because I'd bet my house that if YOU were offered that kind of money, you'd take it. Rory can afford to be a little bitch boy, he's one of the richest golfers of all time. The 'integrity' of the game of golf, what a joke. Its a rich man's sport. And racist and sexist as hell:

"Augusta National admitted no African American members until 1990 and no women members until 2012. The club long required all caddies to be Black and banned Black golfers from the Masters Tournament until Lee Elder participated in 1975."

I think your take on golf is a bit aged considering one of the best of all times is half black half Asian,  and his mom was a woman and they didnt care.

I dont think it was a golf thing that kept minorities out for so long as much as it was a money thing,   but that has changed in the last twenty years so with the LPGA getting at more exposure and it seems that about 1/4 of most fields are minorities.  Considering that its a global game but not really played in poor parts of the world,  its likely really just about money and opportunity.
.

lol, you've obviously never golfed at high end golf clubs that are exclusive. You live where again? North Dakota? Or South Dakota? Yeah....

@"Vikergirl" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JR44" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JR44" said: I thought the PGA and LIV merged?  The PGA made these guys who they are today, personally I think they are scum for defecting and I am with Rory and others on this.  Think they should not be allowed to participate in PGA events once they leave. PGA needs to take a harder stance.  There are plenty of great golfers who can fill their spots.  

Please. Just stop. Its ridiculous and you'd take the money every day and twice on Sunday. 

Got it, so it is ridiculous for someone to be loyal and to have their own personal ethics and morals guide their decision making.  Nice condescending take.  What is ridiculous is acting like these guys are getting paid minimum wage by the PGA, an organization that with the most extreme dedication and commitment turned what is arguably the most boring spectator sport, the sports equivalent of watching paint dry, into a sport that has turned these guys into international superstars, providing them marketing opportunities to earn more than their tour earnings by walking around as human billboards and creating generational wealth.  I guarantee you wouldn't have the same opinion if something like this was tearing the NFL apart. 

Yes, I would. And I love golf. But your rant has nothing to do with the MONEY. Its a unique situation. There's nothing condescending about my take, your take is ridiculous because I'd bet my house that if YOU were offered that kind of money, you'd take it. Rory can afford to be a little bitch boy, he's one of the richest golfers of all time. The 'integrity' of the game of golf, what a joke. Its a rich man's sport. And racist and sexist as hell:

"Augusta National admitted no African American members until 1990 and no women members until 2012. The club long required all caddies to be Black and banned Black golfers from the Masters Tournament until Lee Elder participated in 1975."

I think your take on golf is a bit aged considering one of the best of all times is half black half Asian,  and his mom was a woman and they didnt care.

I dont think it was a golf thing that kept minorities out for so long as much as it was a money thing,   but that has changed in the last twenty years so with the LPGA getting at more exposure and it seems that about 1/4 of most fields are minorities.  Considering that its a global game but not really played in poor parts of the world,  its likely really just about money and opportunity.
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The history of golf still taints the experience of golf for certain groups. There are still generations of rich good ol boys that passed on that antiquated viewpoint of women and minorities to the next generations and that is still influential. It took time and effort for Tiger to break through, some people resisted. He helped pave the way but it wasn't always easy. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JR44" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JR44" said: I thought the PGA and LIV merged?  The PGA made these guys who they are today, personally I think they are scum for defecting and I am with Rory and others on this.  Think they should not be allowed to participate in PGA events once they leave. PGA needs to take a harder stance.  There are plenty of great golfers who can fill their spots.  

Please. Just stop. Its ridiculous and you'd take the money every day and twice on Sunday. 

Got it, so it is ridiculous for someone to be loyal and to have their own personal ethics and morals guide their decision making.  Nice condescending take.  What is ridiculous is acting like these guys are getting paid minimum wage by the PGA, an organization that with the most extreme dedication and commitment turned what is arguably the most boring spectator sport, the sports equivalent of watching paint dry, into a sport that has turned these guys into international superstars, providing them marketing opportunities to earn more than their tour earnings by walking around as human billboards and creating generational wealth.  I guarantee you wouldn't have the same opinion if something like this was tearing the NFL apart. 

Yes, I would. And I love golf. But your rant has nothing to do with the MONEY. Its a unique situation. There's nothing condescending about my take, your take is ridiculous because I'd bet my house that if YOU were offered that kind of money, you'd take it. Rory can afford to be a little bitch boy, he's one of the richest golfers of all time. The 'integrity' of the game of golf, what a joke. Its a rich man's sport. And racist and sexist as hell:

"Augusta National admitted no African American members until 1990 and no women members until 2012. The club long required all caddies to be Black and banned Black golfers from the Masters Tournament until Lee Elder participated in 1975."

I think your take on golf is a bit aged considering one of the best of all times is half black half Asian,  and his mom was a woman and they didnt care.

I dont think it was a golf thing that kept minorities out for so long as much as it was a money thing,   but that has changed in the last twenty years so with the LPGA getting at more exposure and it seems that about 1/4 of most fields are minorities.  Considering that its a global game but not really played in poor parts of the world,  its likely really just about money and opportunity.
.

lol, you've obviously never golfed at high end golf clubs that are exclusive. You live where again? North Dakota? Or South Dakota? Yeah....

Lol,  it has to be racism and not money that keeps them predominantly white and male.  And I've played golf all over the country before i quit the game,  playing some extremely nice private courses,  as well as PGA owned facilities.  IMO Its the hockey argument,   dont see a lot of minorities playing hockey so it has to be racism.  Has nothing to do with the expense of the game,  the locations of the facilities,  and the lack of minorities playing it at an early age.

As far as golf in the northern plains,   you might be surprised,  we got quite a few golf courses up here that will challenge many of the "private" courses.  In other parts of the country.   

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JR44" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JR44" said: I thought the PGA and LIV merged?  The PGA made these guys who they are today, personally I think they are scum for defecting and I am with Rory and others on this.  Think they should not be allowed to participate in PGA events once they leave. PGA needs to take a harder stance.  There are plenty of great golfers who can fill their spots.  

Please. Just stop. Its ridiculous and you'd take the money every day and twice on Sunday. 

Got it, so it is ridiculous for someone to be loyal and to have their own personal ethics and morals guide their decision making.  Nice condescending take.  What is ridiculous is acting like these guys are getting paid minimum wage by the PGA, an organization that with the most extreme dedication and commitment turned what is arguably the most boring spectator sport, the sports equivalent of watching paint dry, into a sport that has turned these guys into international superstars, providing them marketing opportunities to earn more than their tour earnings by walking around as human billboards and creating generational wealth.  I guarantee you wouldn't have the same opinion if something like this was tearing the NFL apart. 

Yes, I would. And I love golf. But your rant has nothing to do with the MONEY. Its a unique situation. There's nothing condescending about my take, your take is ridiculous because I'd bet my house that if YOU were offered that kind of money, you'd take it. Rory can afford to be a little bitch boy, he's one of the richest golfers of all time. The 'integrity' of the game of golf, what a joke. Its a rich man's sport. And racist and sexist as hell:

"Augusta National admitted no African American members until 1990 and no women members until 2012. The club long required all caddies to be Black and banned Black golfers from the Masters Tournament until Lee Elder participated in 1975."

I think your take on golf is a bit aged considering one of the best of all times is half black half Asian,  and his mom was a woman and they didnt care.

I dont think it was a golf thing that kept minorities out for so long as much as it was a money thing,   but that has changed in the last twenty years so with the LPGA getting at more exposure and it seems that about 1/4 of most fields are minorities.  Considering that its a global game but not really played in poor parts of the world,  its likely really just about money and opportunity.
.

lol, you've obviously never golfed at high end golf clubs that are exclusive. You live where again? North Dakota? Or South Dakota? Yeah....

Lol,  it has to be racism and not money that keeps them predominantly white and male.  And I've played golf all over the country before i quit the game,  playing some extremely nice private courses,  as well as PGA owned facilities.  IMO Its the hockey argument,   dont see a lot of minorities playing hockey so it has to be racism.  Has nothing to do with the expense of the game,  the locations of the facilities,  and the lack of minorities playing it at an early age.

As far as golf in the northern plains,   you might be surprised,  we got quite a few golf courses up here that will challenge many of the "private" courses.  In other parts of the country.   

The only reason I bring that up is because I have been on exclusive courses: and not because I'm wealthy or even good at golf, really...lol. Just because I have some friends across the country that are and they invite me for comic relief.  :p But I've seen and heard some shit over the years. Lots of it. And it's very...cough....'interesting'.