Jared Allen says Vikings should move on from Cousins

Kirk has avoided injury so far in his career but at his age and trying to come back from an Achilles, this could be the start of numerous injuries for Cousins.  If the Vikings are considering a contract they better damn well make sure it is team friendly going forward with incentives and little guaranteed money. 

Loved Jared Allen as a pass rusher, but with all due respect to him, he's kind of a moron. Achilles injuries aren't what they were even as recently as when he played. And we're not talking about a running back here, or a receiver, or a pass rusher or a corner. We're talking about a QB for whom mobility was never his bread and butter. 

@"MaroonBells" said: Loved Jared Allen as a pass rusher, but with all due respect to him, he's kind of a moron. Achilles injuries aren't what they were even as recently as when he played. And we're not talking about a running back here, or a receiver, or a pass rusher or a corner. We're talking about a QB for whom mobility was never his bread and butter. 

right a QB who you will have to tie another $70 million into who will be even more immobile @ 37 and 38 only to have to use said repaired achilles to push off of every single pass of that $60 million.

Kirk is not taking a home town deal, he's going to be asking for $35-40 million a year and force the team to have to not add other pieces so we can ride the Cousins ride a little longer.

Jared is the not the sharpest, but he's not wrong.

Sign Kirk for 2 years. Draft a heir apparent.  KOC's and KAM's job rest on the team winning games.  That's why they'll resign him. 

It's irrelevant, I seriously doubt there were any intentions on resigning him unless he got us to the Superbowl.There are better QB's coming in the draft and we should be able to get one.

I'm sure KC (or any other player for that matter) would appreciate Allen putting that out on Social Media. 

Nothing personal? Really?

What a DB. 

@"purplefaithful" said: I'm sure KC (or any other player for that matter) would appreciate Allen putting that out on Social Media. 

Nothing personal? Really?

What a DB. 

sorry if the truth hurts, but he's right.  as we age our bodies tighten up and tend to fail,  that age varies on all of us, depending on a variety of things,  but the fact is that once those wheels start to fall off,  they dont fix themselves, and committing money to a player in declining health is stupid.   granted KC has been an ironman to date,  but do you honestly think that this isnt a start of a series of age related events?    how many 25 year old suffer torn achilles?  from a severity standpoint, the achilles is much worse than an ACL,  granted medicine if improving,  but contrary to what some want to profess, at his age this isnt  comparable to a sprain or other easily recoverable injury.

I'm hungry for a hamburger.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: I'm sure KC (or any other player for that matter) would appreciate Allen putting that out on Social Media. 

Nothing personal? Really?

What a DB. 

sorry if the truth hurts, but he's right.  as we age our bodies tighten up and tend to fail,  that age varies on all of us, depending on a variety of things,  but the fact is that once those wheels start to fall off,  they dont fix themselves, and committing money to a player in declining health is stupid.   granted KC has been an ironman to date,  but do you honestly think that this isnt a start of a series of age related events?    how many 25 year old suffer torn achilles?  from a severity standpoint, the achilles is much worse than an ACL,  granted medicine if improving,  but contrary to what some want to profess, at his age this isnt  comparable to a sprain or other easily recoverable injury.

@"AGRforever" said: Sign Kirk for 2 years. Draft a heir apparent.  KOC's and KAM's job rest on the team winning games.  That's why they'll resign him. 

Could happen. I'm not sure why some on this board feel that signing Cousins is going to stop the team from drafting a QB?

@"StickyBun" said:

@"AGRforever" said: Sign Kirk for 2 years. Draft a heir apparent.  KOC's and KAM's job rest on the team winning games.  That's why they'll resign him. 

Could happen. I'm not sure why some on this board feel that signing Cousins is going to stop the team from drafting a QB?

Right on Jared!

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"AGRforever" said: Sign Kirk for 2 years. Draft a heir apparent.  KOC's and KAM's job rest on the team winning games.  That's why they'll resign him. 

Could happen. I'm not sure why some on this board feel that signing Cousins is going to stop the team from drafting a QB?

Its not necessarily that,  its that the money could be better spent on improving the roster for the future instead of what will likely be hindering the future cap by spreading the contract onto unplayed years as they have done with his current one.  Also the types of deals he tends to push for handicap the team if they do decide to go a different direction before the deal is up. 

Maybe I'm wrong,  maybe JA is wrong, and this is a fluke injury and has nothing to do with a lifetime of playing contact sports on am aging body,  maybe Kirk is a super human and his body won't suffer the affects of repeated abuse,  maybe Kirk is so in love with MN he agrees to a much smaller deal to allow the team to invest in better FAs than they've been able to previously with his deal to manage,  maybe Kirk suddenly decides that huge guaranteed money and no trade clauses hurts the team he and wants to be a team first guy....maybe,  but I think history is on my side on this one.

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"AGRforever" said: Sign Kirk for 2 years. Draft a heir apparent.  KOC's and KAM's job rest on the team winning games.  That's why they'll resign him. 

Could happen. I'm not sure why some on this board feel that signing Cousins is going to stop the team from drafting a QB?

Its not necessarily that,  its that the money could be better spent on improving the roster for the future instead of what will likely be hindering the future cap by spreading the contract onto unplayed years as they have done with his current one.  Also the types of deals he tends to push for handicap the team if they do decide to go a different direction before the deal is up. 

Maybe I'm wrong,  maybe JA is wrong, and this is a fluke injury and has nothing to do with a lifetime of playing contact sports on am aging body,  maybe Kirk is a super human and his body won't suffer the affects of repeated abuse,  maybe Kirk is so in love with MN he agrees to a much smaller deal to allow the team to invest in better FAs than they've been able to previously with his deal to manage,  maybe Kirk suddenly decides that huge guaranteed money and no trade clauses hurts the team he and wants to be a team first guy....maybe,  but I think history is on my side on this one.

I don’t see anyone writing about long term contracts for Cousins putting the franchise over a barrel for the next 5 yrs. I think there’s a pretty wide consensus that this is probably a 2-3 yr. deal that given age and his injury will be a bit more team friendly in terms of guarantees and base salary. 

Like it or not, he’s lived up to his salary. Some of the coaching, management, and other personnel haven’t.

People like to make all these grand plans way too early.  We don’t know if Flores is coming back.  We don’t know if Hall or Mullens or even
Dobbs (given enough time to absorb a playbook) is capable of providing suitable
QB play.  We don’t know if Cousins ankle
healed properly and how much it impacted him. 
We don’t know what Cousins contract demands will actually be given the
ankle.

The only thing we really know is that we need to make a
decision before the draft and we’re not drafting at the top of the draft.  I think it really comes down to do you want
to run into 2024 draft with a quality starting QB on the roster or do you want
to be unencumbered with big contracts but be forced to find a QB in the draft?  I don’t really think the ankle is going to
change Cousins game that much, and a 1-2 year contract isn’t that big of a
commitment.  I can’t see them commit to 3
years.  I don’t think Cousins has that
leverage.  That said, I don’t think
Cousins is going to retire a Viking at the time of his choosing.  I think one of these years, we’ll draft a QB,
and he’ll get 1 year as a bridge QB and then be out.

Assuming the injury heals well, KC is going to be the #1 FA on the mkt next season.

Could very well be another team backs-up the Brinks truck with a crazy deal.

Shit happens and the Vikes may be forced to go with someone on the roster now with a rookie or some other 2nd tier veteran with a rookie. 

I'm starting to get the feeling that if they think Cousins can be signed and is healthy, they might not draft a QB in the Spring. They might take the top DT or another player with their pick in round 1. Not saying that will happen, but it could under the right circumstances. 

@"FLVike" said:

It's irrelevant, I seriously doubt there were any intentions on resigning him unless he got us to the Superbowl.There are better QB's coming in the draft and we should be able to get one.

Which QB(s) are better then Kirk.  Asking for a friend. 

At some point though, the team is going to have move on and draft a qb. If they can sign him reasonably for a couple of years great. If the market is wild and it doesn't work out, they can't be desperate. They sign him and draft a qb that would be ideal but we don't know what the plan is or what Cousins wants. He says he wants to be a Viking but we'll see how offers play out. Some people would have been pissed if he was extended before the injury and some people will be pissed if he is gone. But there are several key players to consider moving forward, it's not just about Cousins 

@"Skodin" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: Loved Jared Allen as a pass rusher, but with all due respect to him, he's kind of a moron. Achilles injuries aren't what they were even as recently as when he played. And we're not talking about a running back here, or a receiver, or a pass rusher or a corner. We're talking about a QB for whom mobility was never his bread and butter. 

right a QB who you will have to tie another $70 million into who will be even more immobile @ 37 and 38 only to have to use said repaired achilles to push off of every single pass of that $60 million.

Kirk is not taking a home town deal, he's going to be asking for $35-40 million a year and force the team to have to not add other pieces so we can ride the Cousins ride a little longer.

Jared is the not the sharpest, but he's not wrong.