Way way to early on Dobbs

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"Skodin" said:

@"CFIAvike" said: Dobbs may very well be Keenum 2.0 this year.  A guy who's historically not that great that catches lightning in a bottle and plays way above his level for a time   

Or he might be a pretty good QB with the right team around him and the right coaches.  He's also cheaper than the immobile pocket passer so he gives you flexibility to draft a QB if you want.   Pretty good place for this team to be.

I guess we'll see, but his entire history in the NFL leans to my theory. And if he IS that great , what makes you think he's not gonna take this front office to the cleaners when they have to try to re-sign him next year.  If he really is THAT good he's gonna demand to be paid more than the 15th highest paid QB in the NFL.

Then you likely let him go,  he was supposed to be a rental,  the plan has been to draft our QBOTF and that should still be the plan.  If he continues to play well and wants the chance to stick around and compete for the starting job against Hall and the rookie,  and is willing to sign for modest starter money,  then you do it.  Either way the team needs to stay focused on the future and the cap savings that come from moving off the 40+ million dollar contacts that keep strangling the cap. 

Odds are Dobbs will come back to earth and will not be demanding top tier money,  until then we can just enjoy seeing what our O has been missing and where that might take us.

@"CFIAvike" said: Dobbs may very well be Keenum 2.0 this year.  A guy who's historically not that great that catches lightning in a bottle and plays way above his level for a time   

Definitely getting Keenum 2017 vibes from Dobbs...  I don't think Dobbs will prevent us from getting a QBotF or re-signing Cousins in the off-season (or both).  But he we gotta enjoy this ride and see where it goes! 

The good with Dobbs:

• We are very competitive and in play for a playoff spot.
• there is alot of excitement in the fanbase
• As of today we have all the leverage with Kirk. If Dobbs continues to play well we can call Kirk’s bluff.  This yo me is the biggest win.
• We have a chance to sign him long term if we so choose because we not only have a tear to evaluate him, but also see him in our system
• Jaren continues to develop (he shoukd be back up when cleared in my opinion because we need to see what he has if an opportunity presents itself)
• i think and may be wrong but an install  from Dobbs to Jaren is easier that Kirk to Jaren

The bad:
The only downside is we dont get a shot at the perceived top QBs. However with the current track record on identifying talent on offense I am starting to be OK with this.

@"Wetlander" said:

@"CFIAvike" said: Dobbs may very well be Keenum 2.0 this year.  A guy who's historically not that great that catches lightning in a bottle and plays way above his level for a time   

Definitely getting Keenum 2017 vibes from Dobbs...  I don't think Dobbs will prevent us from getting a QBotF or re-signing Cousins in the off-season (or both).  But he we gotta enjoy this ride and see where it goes! 

@"mblack" said: The good with Dobbs:

• We are very competitive and in play for a playoff spot.
• there is alot of excitement in the fanbase
• As of today we have all the leverage with Kirk. If Dobbs continues to play well we can call Kirk’s bluff.  This yo me is the biggest win.
• We have a chance to sign him long term if we so choose because we not only have a tear to evaluate him, but also see him in our system
• Jaren continues to develop (he shoukd be back up when cleared in my opinion because we need to see what he has if an opportunity presents itself)
• i think and may be wrong but an install  from Dobbs to Jaren is easier that Kirk to Jaren

The bad: The only downside is we dont get a shot at the perceived top QBs. However with the current track record on identifying talent on offense I am starting to be OK with this.

For good or for bad the Vikings have played themselves out of getting a top QB prospect.  McCarthy is going to be long gone by the time the Vikings draft in the higher teens/lower 20s.  So do you package 2x 1sts and move up for a QBotF?  There's a bunch of teams that need to draft a QB.  Chicago, Green Bay, New York x2, New England, Denver and I'm sure a bunch more that will be picking long before we do.  It would need to be a competitive offer to move in front of that many teams.

@"AGRforever" said:

@"mblack" said: The good with Dobbs:

• We are very competitive and in play for a playoff spot.
• there is alot of excitement in the fanbase
• As of today we have all the leverage with Kirk. If Dobbs continues to play well we can call Kirk’s bluff.  This yo me is the biggest win.
• We have a chance to sign him long term if we so choose because we not only have a tear to evaluate him, but also see him in our system
• Jaren continues to develop (he shoukd be back up when cleared in my opinion because we need to see what he has if an opportunity presents itself)
• i think and may be wrong but an install  from Dobbs to Jaren is easier that Kirk to Jaren

The bad: The only downside is we dont get a shot at the perceived top QBs. However with the current track record on identifying talent on offense I am starting to be OK with this.

For good or for bad the Vikings have played themselves out of getting a top QB prospect.  McCarthy is going to be long gone by the time the Vikings draft in the higher teens/lower 20s.  So do you package 2x 1sts and move up for a QBotF?  There's a bunch of teams that need to draft a QB.  Chicago, Green Bay, New York x2, New England, Denver and I'm sure a bunch more that will be picking long before we do.  It would need to be a competitive offer to move in front of that many teams.

@"AGRforever" said:

@"mblack" said: The good with Dobbs:

• We are very competitive and in play for a playoff spot.
• there is alot of excitement in the fanbase
• As of today we have all the leverage with Kirk. If Dobbs continues to play well we can call Kirk’s bluff.  This yo me is the biggest win.
• We have a chance to sign him long term if we so choose because we not only have a tear to evaluate him, but also see him in our system
• Jaren continues to develop (he shoukd be back up when cleared in my opinion because we need to see what he has if an opportunity presents itself)
• i think and may be wrong but an install  from Dobbs to Jaren is easier that Kirk to Jaren

The bad: The only downside is we dont get a shot at the perceived top QBs. However with the current track record on identifying talent on offense I am starting to be OK with this.

For good or for bad the Vikings have played themselves out of getting a top QB prospect.  McCarthy is going to be long gone by the time the Vikings draft in the higher teens/lower 20s.  So do you package 2x 1sts and move up for a QBotF?  There's a bunch of teams that need to draft a QB.  Chicago, Green Bay, New York x2, New England, Denver and I'm sure a bunch more that will be picking long before we do.  It would need to be a competitive offer to move in front of that many teams.

there is no reason the Vikings can't be like the Chiefs -- have their cake and eat it too re: QBOTF

As others have said, enjoy the season - it appeared dead just 14 days ago. 

The draft will take care of itself. 

@"purplefaithful" said: there is no reason the Vikings can't be like the Chiefs -- have their cake and eat it too re: QBOTF

As others have said, enjoy the season - it appeared dead just 14 days ago. 

The draft will take care of itself. 

Oh I get it.  I can tell you that I was looking forward to drafting a Qb and seeing what KOC could do with him.  But frankly, maybe we can do it with Dobbs?  Kurt Warner was stocking shelves.   I'm not saying Dobbs is that.  But maybe the football gods gave us a freebie? 

@"AGRforever" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: there is no reason the Vikings can't be like the Chiefs -- have their cake and eat it too re: QBOTF

As others have said, enjoy the season - it appeared dead just 14 days ago. 

The draft will take care of itself. 

Oh I get it.  I can tell you that I was looking forward to drafting a Qb and seeing what KOC could do with him.  But frankly, maybe we can do it with Dobbs?  Kurt Warner was stocking shelves.   I'm not saying Dobbs is that.  But maybe the football gods gave us a freebie? 

@"AGRforever" said:

Kurt Warner was stocking shelves.   I'm not saying Dobbs is that.  But maybe the football gods gave us a freebie? 

For me, it's not Warner, but probably closer to Rich Gannon. A journeyman backup until he joined Oakland at the age of 34, and then just went off in thier system (4x Pro-Bowl, 2x All Pro, 2002 AP MVP).

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GannRi00.htm

Kurt Warner stocking shelves reminded me of former Vikings runningback Scottie Graham. In 1993, Graham was working in a pharmacy when he got his call. Robert Smith was placed on the IR and Graham's tough running helped the Vikings make the playoffs.

I guess I don’t see the purpose of having to be an early
adopter on this.  I’ll just wait a couple
more weeks to jump on the hype train and start planning the future moves of the
team.  That said, I think we’ve built enough
talent on offense that any competent QB should be able to run this offense
successfully.  I think you can see the trappings
of competency with Dobbs, but I also think the Saints did as much as possible
to help us keep the offense moving in the first half, and lady luck is on our
side.  The downside of Dobbs is that there’s
no rookie contract magic. 

I pulled his stats on BSPN.  Its interesting.  He's got a tad higher yards/game (10ish yards/game) and a tad higher completion percentage. (5%)
This doesn't take into account that he's only been here 2 weeks but its interesting that his sacks per game are about the same.  His completion percent is only slightly better.  His running average is about the same.  His sack numbers are right on.  He's due for a interception. 

When you look at just his small sample size as a Viking.  He's actually playing top 1/2 of the league in stats.

This is pretty great - #Vikings QB Josh Dobbs sent a young fan name Gregory a signed jersey.

Gregory, who has Alopecia like Dobbs, wrote Josh a message back thanking him ❤🙏

(🎥 @GL_HobbyAccount, @josh_dobbs1)https://t.co/cMIhvUsOCG https://t.co/O43mSOLf89 pic.twitter.com/DN5vksL7Dg

— Dov Kleiman (@NFL_DovKleiman) November 16, 2023

I heard on the radio yesterday how the Dobbs saga is so reminiscent of Keenum in 17 and there are similarities. 

 Case had Schurmur and Dobbs has KOC

Ah, the old Zimmer days ---

@"purplefaithful" said: I heard on the radio yesterday how the Dobbs saga is so reminiscent of Keenum in 17 and there are similarities. 

 Case had Schurmur and Dobbs has KOC

Ah, the old Zimmer days ---

Hoping for a different result but there’s a decent chance this ride ends the same way Keenum’s did in Philly. Man if Dobbs could avenge that loss I’d be sooo happy. 

@"AGRforever" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: there is no reason the Vikings can't be like the Chiefs -- have their cake and eat it too re: QBOTF

As others have said, enjoy the season - it appeared dead just 14 days ago. 

The draft will take care of itself. 

Oh I get it.  I can tell you that I was looking forward to drafting a Qb and seeing what KOC could do with him.  But frankly, maybe we can do it with Dobbs?  Kurt Warner was stocking shelves.   I'm not saying Dobbs is that.  But maybe the football gods gave us a freebie? 

Koc has watched these last couple weeks that the missing piece of the puzzle is a mobile quarterback. 
Should be an interesting off season.

@"Norse" said: Koc has watched these last couple weeks that the missing piece of the puzzle is a mobile quarterback.  Should be an interesting off season.

If the Vikings really wanted Cousins back and were good with the numbers he and his agent were asking for, they would have signed him in the offseason. Not sure what Kirk's value will be this spring when he hits the market, but I'm guessing it's going to be around $28-30 Million guaranteed with performance incentives to get it up to $38-$40 Million. That's on top of the $28.5 Dead Cap they still have to pay him. If I'm the Vikings, I take a hard pass. I've seen enough of Dobbs to feel comfortable he can be our 2024 starter or at least a competent placeholder while Hall or another Rookie is developed by KOC. Give Dobbs a full off season with KOC and an offense tailored to his skill set which is something he's never had with the other teams he's been on. Everyone is expecting a regression from him when his ceiling may not have even been reached yet.