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#1 · Oct 29, 1:43 PM
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@"StickyBun" said:
@"FLVike" said:
2024 QB's in camp should be;Dobbs, Hall, and one of the following;Maye, McCarthy, Penix, Daniels, or Nix.



That could be very well how it ends up.

I think Cousins is going to have make any potential deal at least a little cap friendly to be fully considered. If he does, he's probably the leader in the clubhouse IMO. I just feel KOC thinks Kirko has a mastery of his offense now.



QB is QB but Dalvin, Thielen, and Cleveland all knew the offense too…

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The "Tank" is defiantly not on.  All you're doing is setting yourself up for some major disappointments this next off-season...

#23 · Nov 20, 11:51 AM
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@"ArizonaViking" said: The "Tank" is defiantly not on.  All you're doing is setting yourself up for some major disappointments this next off-season...
This thread has been on the front page. Then not. It’s a running joke at this point based on whether we win or lose. 
#24 · Nov 22, 7:17 AM
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@"FLVike" said:
2024 QB's in camp should be;Dobbs, Hall, and one of the following;Maye, McCarthy, Penix, Daniels, or Nix.



I think in our offense Dobbs will show enough to get a decent contract by someone that if we are going to go QB in the first I don't think we will match.  I think it is more likely that Cousins will be back than Dobbs, as I think they would be more likely to spend money on Cousins. 

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@"JR44" said:
@"FLVike" said:
2024 QB's in camp should be;Dobbs, Hall, and one of the following;Maye, McCarthy, Penix, Daniels, or Nix.



I think in our offense Dobbs will show enough to get a decent contract by someone that if we are going to go QB in the first I don't think we will match.  I think it is more likely that Cousins will be back than Dobbs, as I think they would be more likely to spend money on Cousins. 


if the mentality is to let Dobbs walk,  then they need to get Hall back in there and see what they have there.  IMO the only reason to stick with Dobbs is to see if he shows enough growth to be the bridge QB to whoever we draft next spring.  I dont see any reason to hang onto Cousins as he will want his kings ransom as well as his usual handcuffing terms and will make it that much tougher to improve the roster around the QB position.  His time has past unless he really wants to play on the cheap and let KAM see if he can add enough pieces to our IOL to overcome Kirks short comings.... Or how good would Chris Jones look on our DL, or one of the other top tier DTs?

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@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"JR44" said:
@"FLVike" said:
2024 QB's in camp should be;Dobbs, Hall, and one of the following;Maye, McCarthy, Penix, Daniels, or Nix.



I think in our offense Dobbs will show enough to get a decent contract by someone that if we are going to go QB in the first I don't think we will match.  I think it is more likely that Cousins will be back than Dobbs, as I think they would be more likely to spend money on Cousins. 


if the mentality is to let Dobbs walk,  then they need to get Hall back in there and see what they have there.  IMO the only reason to stick with Dobbs is to see if he shows enough growth to be the bridge QB to whoever we draft next spring.  I dont see any reason to hang onto Cousins as he will want his kings ransom as well as his usual handcuffing terms and will make it that much tougher to improve the roster around the QB position.  His time has past unless he really wants to play on the cheap and let KAM see if he can add enough pieces to our IOL to overcome Kirks short comings.... Or how good would Chris Jones look on our DL, or one of the other top tier DTs?


Jones had two sacks in three plays the other night, almost single-handedly killing a drive. KC wound up losing but the impact a guy like that can have is absolutely massive. Getting the defense off the field quickly and the ball right back to your offense to kill more clock and maybe get points is monumental. As good as Hunter has been, we do not have a Chris Jones level player on this team outside of JJ. In fairness, few teams do. KC played the Jones holdout situation perfectly and paying off big time for them. Mcduffie, Sneed, and their defense in general is impressive. If only their WRs weren’t about the worst in the league, ha. 

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@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"JR44" said:
@"FLVike" said:
2024 QB's in camp should be;Dobbs, Hall, and one of the following;Maye, McCarthy, Penix, Daniels, or Nix.



I think in our offense Dobbs will show enough to get a decent contract by someone that if we are going to go QB in the first I don't think we will match.  I think it is more likely that Cousins will be back than Dobbs, as I think they would be more likely to spend money on Cousins. 


if the mentality is to let Dobbs walk,  then they need to get Hall back in there and see what they have there.  IMO the only reason to stick with Dobbs is to see if he shows enough growth to be the bridge QB to whoever we draft next spring.  I dont see any reason to hang onto Cousins as he will want his kings ransom as well as his usual handcuffing terms and will make it that much tougher to improve the roster around the QB position.  His time has past unless he really wants to play on the cheap and let KAM see if he can add enough pieces to our IOL to overcome Kirks short comings.... Or how good would Chris Jones look on our DL, or one of the other top tier DTs?


If Dobbs goes on to sign a $20m/yr contract somewhere, does that get us a comp pick?

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@"AGRforever" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"JR44" said:
@"FLVike" said:
2024 QB's in camp should be;Dobbs, Hall, and one of the following;Maye, McCarthy, Penix, Daniels, or Nix.



I think in our offense Dobbs will show enough to get a decent contract by someone that if we are going to go QB in the first I don't think we will match.  I think it is more likely that Cousins will be back than Dobbs, as I think they would be more likely to spend money on Cousins. 


if the mentality is to let Dobbs walk,  then they need to get Hall back in there and see what they have there.  IMO the only reason to stick with Dobbs is to see if he shows enough growth to be the bridge QB to whoever we draft next spring.  I dont see any reason to hang onto Cousins as he will want his kings ransom as well as his usual handcuffing terms and will make it that much tougher to improve the roster around the QB position.  His time has past unless he really wants to play on the cheap and let KAM see if he can add enough pieces to our IOL to overcome Kirks short comings.... Or how good would Chris Jones look on our DL, or one of the other top tier DTs?


If Dobbs goes on to sign a $20m/yr contract somewhere, does that get us a comp pick?


I dont believe so,  IIRC they have to be on our roster for 2 years to qualify for a comp pick,  but I could be thinking about the minority coaching hire compensatory thing.

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@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"AGRforever" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"JR44" said:
@"FLVike" said:
2024 QB's in camp should be;Dobbs, Hall, and one of the following;Maye, McCarthy, Penix, Daniels, or Nix.



I think in our offense Dobbs will show enough to get a decent contract by someone that if we are going to go QB in the first I don't think we will match.  I think it is more likely that Cousins will be back than Dobbs, as I think they would be more likely to spend money on Cousins. 


if the mentality is to let Dobbs walk,  then they need to get Hall back in there and see what they have there.  IMO the only reason to stick with Dobbs is to see if he shows enough growth to be the bridge QB to whoever we draft next spring.  I dont see any reason to hang onto Cousins as he will want his kings ransom as well as his usual handcuffing terms and will make it that much tougher to improve the roster around the QB position.  His time has past unless he really wants to play on the cheap and let KAM see if he can add enough pieces to our IOL to overcome Kirks short comings.... Or how good would Chris Jones look on our DL, or one of the other top tier DTs?


If Dobbs goes on to sign a $20m/yr contract somewhere, does that get us a comp pick?


I dont believe so,  IIRC they have to be on our roster for 2 years to qualify for a comp pick,  but I could be thinking about the minority coaching hire compensatory thing.

It is only for minority hires.

#30 · Nov 22, 10:26 AM
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@"Knucklehead" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"AGRforever" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"JR44" said:
@"FLVike" said:
2024 QB's in camp should be;Dobbs, Hall, and one of the following;Maye, McCarthy, Penix, Daniels, or Nix.



I think in our offense Dobbs will show enough to get a decent contract by someone that if we are going to go QB in the first I don't think we will match.  I think it is more likely that Cousins will be back than Dobbs, as I think they would be more likely to spend money on Cousins. 


if the mentality is to let Dobbs walk,  then they need to get Hall back in there and see what they have there.  IMO the only reason to stick with Dobbs is to see if he shows enough growth to be the bridge QB to whoever we draft next spring.  I dont see any reason to hang onto Cousins as he will want his kings ransom as well as his usual handcuffing terms and will make it that much tougher to improve the roster around the QB position.  His time has past unless he really wants to play on the cheap and let KAM see if he can add enough pieces to our IOL to overcome Kirks short comings.... Or how good would Chris Jones look on our DL, or one of the other top tier DTs?


If Dobbs goes on to sign a $20m/yr contract somewhere, does that get us a comp pick?


I dont believe so,  IIRC they have to be on our roster for 2 years to qualify for a comp pick,  but I could be thinking about the minority coaching hire compensatory thing.

It is only for minority hires.



and compensatory picks only apply if you lose more than you gain in terms of qualifying free agents.

#31 · Nov 22, 11:11 AM
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@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"Knucklehead" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"AGRforever" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"JR44" said:
@"FLVike" said:
2024 QB's in camp should be;Dobbs, Hall, and one of the following;Maye, McCarthy, Penix, Daniels, or Nix.



I think in our offense Dobbs will show enough to get a decent contract by someone that if we are going to go QB in the first I don't think we will match.  I think it is more likely that Cousins will be back than Dobbs, as I think they would be more likely to spend money on Cousins. 


if the mentality is to let Dobbs walk,  then they need to get Hall back in there and see what they have there.  IMO the only reason to stick with Dobbs is to see if he shows enough growth to be the bridge QB to whoever we draft next spring.  I dont see any reason to hang onto Cousins as he will want his kings ransom as well as his usual handcuffing terms and will make it that much tougher to improve the roster around the QB position.  His time has past unless he really wants to play on the cheap and let KAM see if he can add enough pieces to our IOL to overcome Kirks short comings.... Or how good would Chris Jones look on our DL, or one of the other top tier DTs?


If Dobbs goes on to sign a $20m/yr contract somewhere, does that get us a comp pick?


I dont believe so,  IIRC they have to be on our roster for 2 years to qualify for a comp pick,  but I could be thinking about the minority coaching hire compensatory thing.

It is only for minority hires.



and compensatory picks only apply if you lose more than you gain in terms of qualifying free agents.


Thats what im getting at. A starting QB getting paid a bunch has to be a quality FA right?

#32 · Nov 22, 2:51 PM
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@"AGRforever" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"Knucklehead" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"AGRforever" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"JR44" said:
@"FLVike" said:
2024 QB's in camp should be;Dobbs, Hall, and one of the following;Maye, McCarthy, Penix, Daniels, or Nix.



I think in our offense Dobbs will show enough to get a decent contract by someone that if we are going to go QB in the first I don't think we will match.  I think it is more likely that Cousins will be back than Dobbs, as I think they would be more likely to spend money on Cousins. 


if the mentality is to let Dobbs walk,  then they need to get Hall back in there and see what they have there.  IMO the only reason to stick with Dobbs is to see if he shows enough growth to be the bridge QB to whoever we draft next spring.  I dont see any reason to hang onto Cousins as he will want his kings ransom as well as his usual handcuffing terms and will make it that much tougher to improve the roster around the QB position.  His time has past unless he really wants to play on the cheap and let KAM see if he can add enough pieces to our IOL to overcome Kirks short comings.... Or how good would Chris Jones look on our DL, or one of the other top tier DTs?


If Dobbs goes on to sign a $20m/yr contract somewhere, does that get us a comp pick?


I dont believe so,  IIRC they have to be on our roster for 2 years to qualify for a comp pick,  but I could be thinking about the minority coaching hire compensatory thing.

It is only for minority hires.



and compensatory picks only apply if you lose more than you gain in terms of qualifying free agents.


Thats what im getting at. A starting QB getting paid a bunch has to be a quality FA right?


Well, imagine then what Kirk would net us?  I dont thinks its really cut and dry,  there seems to he something arbitrary  to the system.

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