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#1 · Oct 18, 5:11 AM
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Minnesota has received more phone calls than they have making them. It will be interesting to see if they will be buyers or sellers in this years deadline.

Right now they're sellers. But that could change. I don't expect them to beat the 49ers, but the next six games are games they could win. Hard to say what Vegas will think of the Vikings without JJ and Davenport, but I could see them being favored in all six. Packers, Falcons, Saints, Broncos, Bears, Raiders. 

The NYT has a cool page that gives the Vikings playoff chances per game. Right now it's 30%. Losing to the 49ers drops it to 22%. Winning the next six moves it to 87%. Even dropping one of those games keeps it well above 50%. Problem is, Vikings have to make their buy/sell decision after the Packers game. 

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@"MaroonBells" said: Minnesota has received more phone calls than they have making them. It will be interesting to see if they will be buyers or sellers in this years deadline.

Right now they're sellers. But that could change. I don't expect them to beat the 49ers, but the next six games are games they could win. Hard to say what Vegas will think of the Vikings without JJ and Davenport, but I could see them being favored in all six. Packers, Falcons, Saints, Broncos, Bears, Raiders. 

The NYT has a cool page that gives the Vikings playoff chances per game. Right now it's 30%. Losing to the 49ers drops it to 22%. Winning the next six moves it to 87%. Even dropping one of those games keeps it well above 50%. Problem is, Vikings have to make their buy/sell decision after the Packers game. 


anything giving their NFFCG or Superbowl chances?  simply making the playoffs is hardly an accomplishment anymore considering 7 of the 16 teams in the conference make the playoffs.

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They're not winning 6 games in a row.  They'll be 2-6 at the deadline, after that depends on who they trade or don't trade.

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@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said: Minnesota has received more phone calls than they have making them. It will be interesting to see if they will be buyers or sellers in this years deadline.

Right now they're sellers. But that could change. I don't expect them to beat the 49ers, but the next six games are games they could win. Hard to say what Vegas will think of the Vikings without JJ and Davenport, but I could see them being favored in all six. Packers, Falcons, Saints, Broncos, Bears, Raiders. 

The NYT has a cool page that gives the Vikings playoff chances per game. Right now it's 30%. Losing to the 49ers drops it to 22%. Winning the next six moves it to 87%. Even dropping one of those games keeps it well above 50%. Problem is, Vikings have to make their buy/sell decision after the Packers game. 


anything giving their NFFCG or Superbowl chances?  simply making the playoffs is hardly an accomplishment anymore considering 7 of the 16 teams in the conference make the playoffs.


One step at a time, Jimmy. 

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@"MaroonBells" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said: Minnesota has received more phone calls than they have making them. It will be interesting to see if they will be buyers or sellers in this years deadline.

Right now they're sellers. But that could change. I don't expect them to beat the 49ers, but the next six games are games they could win. Hard to say what Vegas will think of the Vikings without JJ and Davenport, but I could see them being favored in all six. Packers, Falcons, Saints, Broncos, Bears, Raiders. 

The NYT has a cool page that gives the Vikings playoff chances per game. Right now it's 30%. Losing to the 49ers drops it to 22%. Winning the next six moves it to 87%. Even dropping one of those games keeps it well above 50%. Problem is, Vikings have to make their buy/sell decision after the Packers game. 


anything giving their NFFCG or Superbowl chances?  simply making the playoffs is hardly an accomplishment anymore considering 7 of the 16 teams in the conference make the playoffs.


One step at a time, Jimmy. 


there is no other step,  its time to rebuild this roster,  if they arent in contention for the Conference championship game at this point,  then its time to say this direction is a failure and start selling now,  putting it off a couple more games only leads to more sellers entering the market and lower return for your pieces to move.  most every fan that is being honest with themselves can see it.

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@"MaroonBells" said: Minnesota has received more phone calls than they have making them. It will be interesting to see if they will be buyers or sellers in this years deadline.

Right now they're sellers. But that could change


Dude. lol. Too much Kool-Aid will give you cavities. 

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Minnesota has received more phone calls than they have making them.

If you were buying a TV you are probably going to look first at the place that has a history of selling them lower than everyone else, you'd want to deal with a Kwesi  =) 

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I would pay Hunter his money.  That dude stays healthy he will be in the hall. He is too good to give up unless theres a sign and trade for multiple high picks. Same with JJ except, JJ is our MVP and cornerstone, you cannot trade him unless he is a wacko. 

Harry is 4 years older, so that is different.  

KJO is very meh, good in the slot but cant play outside and win. He is a solid #3 but that’s it. Get what you can. 

Cleveland?  you cant pay everyone and Darrisaw will reset the market 

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@"Bullazin" said: I would pay Hunter his money.  That dude stays healthy he will be in the hall. He is too good to give up unless theres a sign and trade for multiple high picks. Same with JJ except, JJ is our MVP and cornerstone, you cannot trade him unless he is a wacko. 

Harry is 4 years older, so that is different.  

KJO is very meh, good in the slot but cant play outside and win. He is a solid #3 but that’s it. Get what you can. 

Cleveland?  you cant pay everyone and Darrisaw will reset the market 


my thoughts on Cleveland is he is very average,  you dont go shopping for average,  you try and draft with average being the floor, and keep drafting it hoping that you can improve on it.  Unfortunately we are below average at so many spots that it makes the prospect of moving on from an average players somewhat scary,  especially when he is the best of your IOL trio. ( still am not buying the hype on Bradbury,  to weak and to injury prone )  Really depends on the compensation offered,  and what his agent thinks it would cost to keep him in MN.

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@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said: Minnesota has received more phone calls than they have making them. It will be interesting to see if they will be buyers or sellers in this years deadline.

Right now they're sellers. But that could change. I don't expect them to beat the 49ers, but the next six games are games they could win. Hard to say what Vegas will think of the Vikings without JJ and Davenport, but I could see them being favored in all six. Packers, Falcons, Saints, Broncos, Bears, Raiders. 

The NYT has a cool page that gives the Vikings playoff chances per game. Right now it's 30%. Losing to the 49ers drops it to 22%. Winning the next six moves it to 87%. Even dropping one of those games keeps it well above 50%. Problem is, Vikings have to make their buy/sell decision after the Packers game. 


anything giving their NFFCG or Superbowl chances?  simply making the playoffs is hardly an accomplishment anymore considering 7 of the 16 teams in the conference make the playoffs.


One step at a time, Jimmy. 


there is no other step,  its time to rebuild this roster,  if they arent in contention for the Conference championship game at this point,  then its time to say this direction is a failure and start selling now,  putting it off a couple more games only leads to more sellers entering the market and lower return for your pieces to move.  most every fan that is being honest with themselves can see it.


I think Jimmy is right why hope to just make the playoffs, been there done that and lose that first round game and they are drafting in the late teens early 20's again.  We have all seen how that goes.

The one thing that is still a mystery is why did they keep all of the scouts from the old regime?  I don't think they hired any new ones, maybe shuffled people around, but if they kept them maybe they need to start cleaning house right there.

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The one player I think is a lost cause is Dean Lowry.  He has done nothing to earn his pay...

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@"Greylock" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said: Minnesota has received more phone calls than they have making them. It will be interesting to see if they will be buyers or sellers in this years deadline.

Right now they're sellers. But that could change. I don't expect them to beat the 49ers, but the next six games are games they could win. Hard to say what Vegas will think of the Vikings without JJ and Davenport, but I could see them being favored in all six. Packers, Falcons, Saints, Broncos, Bears, Raiders. 

The NYT has a cool page that gives the Vikings playoff chances per game. Right now it's 30%. Losing to the 49ers drops it to 22%. Winning the next six moves it to 87%. Even dropping one of those games keeps it well above 50%. Problem is, Vikings have to make their buy/sell decision after the Packers game. 


anything giving their NFFCG or Superbowl chances?  simply making the playoffs is hardly an accomplishment anymore considering 7 of the 16 teams in the conference make the playoffs.


One step at a time, Jimmy. 


there is no other step,  its time to rebuild this roster,  if they arent in contention for the Conference championship game at this point,  then its time to say this direction is a failure and start selling now,  putting it off a couple more games only leads to more sellers entering the market and lower return for your pieces to move.  most every fan that is being honest with themselves can see it.


I think Jimmy is right why hope to just make the playoffs, been there done that and lose that first round game and they are drafting in the late teens early 20's again.  We have all seen how that goes.

The one thing that is still a mystery is why did they keep all of the scouts from the old regime?  I don't think they hired any new ones, maybe shuffled people around, but if they kept them maybe they need to start cleaning house right there.



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Competitive scouting to go with the competitive rebuild

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@"StickyBun" said:
@"MaroonBells" said: Minnesota has received more phone calls than they have making them. It will be interesting to see if they will be buyers or sellers in this years deadline.

Right now they're sellers. But that could change


Dude. lol. Too much Kool-Aid will give you cavities. 


If the Vikings are 4-4 at the trade deadline, facing the return of JJ and six straight games against teams .500 or below, I can pretty much guarantee they're not going to be trading anyone. 

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@"mblack" said:
@"Greylock" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said: Minnesota has received more phone calls than they have making them. It will be interesting to see if they will be buyers or sellers in this years deadline.

Right now they're sellers. But that could change. I don't expect them to beat the 49ers, but the next six games are games they could win. Hard to say what Vegas will think of the Vikings without JJ and Davenport, but I could see them being favored in all six. Packers, Falcons, Saints, Broncos, Bears, Raiders. 

The NYT has a cool page that gives the Vikings playoff chances per game. Right now it's 30%. Losing to the 49ers drops it to 22%. Winning the next six moves it to 87%. Even dropping one of those games keeps it well above 50%. Problem is, Vikings have to make their buy/sell decision after the Packers game. 


anything giving their NFFCG or Superbowl chances?  simply making the playoffs is hardly an accomplishment anymore considering 7 of the 16 teams in the conference make the playoffs.


One step at a time, Jimmy. 


there is no other step,  its time to rebuild this roster,  if they arent in contention for the Conference championship game at this point,  then its time to say this direction is a failure and start selling now,  putting it off a couple more games only leads to more sellers entering the market and lower return for your pieces to move.  most every fan that is being honest with themselves can see it.


I think Jimmy is right why hope to just make the playoffs, been there done that and lose that first round game and they are drafting in the late teens early 20's again.  We have all seen how that goes.

The one thing that is still a mystery is why did they keep all of the scouts from the old regime?  I don't think they hired any new ones, maybe shuffled people around, but if they kept them maybe they need to start cleaning house right there.



At the bold
Competitive scouting to go with the competitive rebuild


Just my opinion, but scouts are just information gatherers. That doesnt mean Kwesi is going with their recommendations when it comes to drafting players. I doubt any scout told him to move all the way down the board with a division rival for Lewis Cine, for example. 

The bigger issue to me is the Grigson hire, because to me that's someone who appears to have some sway when it comes to player selections and Grigson was atrocious in Indy at doing that. So the Wilfs at the core of the organization have hired a stock trader with zero experience in scouting or personnel, and Ryan Grigson to steer this organization into the future. That's as bad a combo as it gets in my opinion 

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@"MaroonBells" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"MaroonBells" said: Minnesota has received more phone calls than they have making them. It will be interesting to see if they will be buyers or sellers in this years deadline.

Right now they're sellers. But that could change


Dude. lol. Too much Kool-Aid will give you cavities. 


If the Vikings are 4-4 at the trade deadline, facing the return of JJ and six straight games against teams .500 or below, I can pretty much guarantee they're not going to be trading anyone. 


That's completely fine with me. Just don't be buyers. That would be VERY stupid and myopic.

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@"supafreak84" said:
@"mblack" said:
@"Greylock" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said: Minnesota has received more phone calls than they have making them. It will be interesting to see if they will be buyers or sellers in this years deadline.

Right now they're sellers. But that could change. I don't expect them to beat the 49ers, but the next six games are games they could win. Hard to say what Vegas will think of the Vikings without JJ and Davenport, but I could see them being favored in all six. Packers, Falcons, Saints, Broncos, Bears, Raiders. 

The NYT has a cool page that gives the Vikings playoff chances per game. Right now it's 30%. Losing to the 49ers drops it to 22%. Winning the next six moves it to 87%. Even dropping one of those games keeps it well above 50%. Problem is, Vikings have to make their buy/sell decision after the Packers game. 


anything giving their NFFCG or Superbowl chances?  simply making the playoffs is hardly an accomplishment anymore considering 7 of the 16 teams in the conference make the playoffs.


One step at a time, Jimmy. 


there is no other step,  its time to rebuild this roster,  if they arent in contention for the Conference championship game at this point,  then its time to say this direction is a failure and start selling now,  putting it off a couple more games only leads to more sellers entering the market and lower return for your pieces to move.  most every fan that is being honest with themselves can see it.


I think Jimmy is right why hope to just make the playoffs, been there done that and lose that first round game and they are drafting in the late teens early 20's again.  We have all seen how that goes.

The one thing that is still a mystery is why did they keep all of the scouts from the old regime?  I don't think they hired any new ones, maybe shuffled people around, but if they kept them maybe they need to start cleaning house right there.



At the bold
Competitive scouting to go with the competitive rebuild


Just my opinion, but scouts are just information gatherers. That doesnt mean Kwesi is going with their recommendations when it comes to drafting players. I doubt any scout told him to move all the way down the board with a division rival for Lewis Cine, for example. 

The bigger issue to me is the Grigson hire, because to me that's someone who appears to have some sway when it comes to player selections and Grigson was atrocious in Indy at doing that. So the Wilfs at the core of the organization have hired a stock trader with zero experience in scouting or personnel, and Ryan Grigson to steer this organization into the future. That's as bad a combo as it gets in my opinion 


Didn't the team revamp their scouting department in the off-season? That might explain why last year's draft was better than 2022.

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@"MaroonBells" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"MaroonBells" said: Minnesota has received more phone calls than they have making them. It will be interesting to see if they will be buyers or sellers in this years deadline.

Right now they're sellers. But that could change


Dude. lol. Too much Kool-Aid will give you cavities. 


If the Vikings are 4-4 at the trade deadline, facing the return of JJ and six straight games against teams .500 or below, I can pretty much guarantee they're not going to be trading anyone. 


I think they will be 4-4 in the alternate mirror dimension but probably 2-6 in this one. 

Spock has a beard in that universe btw.  Also if the coach has a losing season they don't just fire him, they execute him.  :p

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@"comet52" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"MaroonBells" said: Minnesota has received more phone calls than they have making them. It will be interesting to see if they will be buyers or sellers in this years deadline.

Right now they're sellers. But that could change


Dude. lol. Too much Kool-Aid will give you cavities. 


If the Vikings are 4-4 at the trade deadline, facing the return of JJ and six straight games against teams .500 or below, I can pretty much guarantee they're not going to be trading anyone. 


I think they will be 4-4 in the alternate mirror dimension but probably 2-6 in this one. 

Spock has a beard in that universe btw.  Also if the coach has a losing season they don't just fire him, they execute him.  :p



Speaking of alternate universes, if you had told me that through 6 games that Kirk Cousins would lead the NFL in TDs and be 2nd in yards, that Bradbury would grade as the NFL's 2nd best center, Ingram top half among guards, and that the Vikings defense would improve from 31st to 15th, and that the Vikings would be 2-4, I would've said you had too many Romulan Ales on Casperia Prime. 

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@"MaroonBells" said:
@"comet52" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"MaroonBells" said: Minnesota has received more phone calls than they have making them. It will be interesting to see if they will be buyers or sellers in this years deadline.

Right now they're sellers. But that could change


Dude. lol. Too much Kool-Aid will give you cavities. 


If the Vikings are 4-4 at the trade deadline, facing the return of JJ and six straight games against teams .500 or below, I can pretty much guarantee they're not going to be trading anyone. 


I think they will be 4-4 in the alternate mirror dimension but probably 2-6 in this one. 

Spock has a beard in that universe btw.  Also if the coach has a losing season they don't just fire him, they execute him.  :p



Speaking of alternate universes, if you had told me that through 6 games that Kirk Cousins would lead the NFL in TDs and be 2nd in yards, that Bradbury would grade as the NFL's 2nd best center, Ingram top half among guards, and that the Vikings defense would improve from 31st to 15th, and that the Vikings would be 2-4, I would've said you had too many Romulan Ales on Casperia Prime. 


I could use a few belts of Romulan ale, mostly on Sundays around 2:45pm.

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@"MaroonBells" said:
@"comet52" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"MaroonBells" said: Minnesota has received more phone calls than they have making them. It will be interesting to see if they will be buyers or sellers in this years deadline.

Right now they're sellers. But that could change


Dude. lol. Too much Kool-Aid will give you cavities. 


If the Vikings are 4-4 at the trade deadline, facing the return of JJ and six straight games against teams .500 or below, I can pretty much guarantee they're not going to be trading anyone. 


I think they will be 4-4 in the alternate mirror dimension but probably 2-6 in this one. 

Spock has a beard in that universe btw.  Also if the coach has a losing season they don't just fire him, they execute him.  :p



Speaking of alternate universes, if you had told me that through 6 games that Kirk Cousins would lead the NFL in TDs and be 2nd in yards, that Bradbury would grade as the NFL's 2nd best center, Ingram top half among guards, and that the Vikings defense would improve from 31st to 15th, and that the Vikings would be 2-4, I would've said you had too many Romulan Ales on Casperia Prime. 


and how does Bradbury rank 2nd,  hes only really played what 3 games and I am not even sure those were complete games,  dont you have to take like 80% of the snaps for most of these ranking things?

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