Don’t look now, Ingram overall 64 grade from PFF

Risner will probably still be taking more reps this week with the first team...

So he is improving?

@"greediron" said: So he is improving?

Actually, I shouldn't tempt fate like that.

I didn't get to watch the game.  Apparently, some drunk a$$hat hit a transformer in my area, and power was out in every sports bar I knew of.  Came home and had to settle for Red Zone, which was a festival of pain for the most part.

I hope he truly does improve, and tons.  I hope all the time/energy/faith invested pays off handsomely.  I'd LOVE to see the interior of the line become as consistent as the tackles...because that, by itself, would halve our turnovers.

@"Zanary" said:

@"greediron" said: So he is improving?

There was really only one direction to go, right?

Actually, I shouldn't tempt fate like that.

I didn't get to watch the game.  Apparently, some drunk a$$hat hit a transformer in my area, and power was out in every sports bar I knew of.  Came home and had to settle for Red Zone, which was a festival of pain for the most part.

I hope he truly does improve, and tons.  I hope all the time/energy/faith invested pays off handsomely.  I'd LOVE to see the interior of the line become as consistent as the tackles...because that, by itself, would halve our turnovers.

@"greediron" said: So he is improving?

A little context. As bad as Ingram appears to be. There are 53 guards in the NFL who are playing worse. 

@"MaroonBells" said: A little context. As bad as Ingram appears to be. There are 53 guards in the NFL who are playing worse. 

Dustin Baker

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Vikings OL Rankings, per PFF, per Position, thru Week 4:

Christian Darrisaw = 19th (of 69)

Ezra Cleveland = 13th (of 76)

Austin Schlottmann = 12th (of 36)

Ed Ingram = 23rd (of 76)

Brian O'Neill = 5th (of 69)

Kinda meaningless without the pass run split (which is paywalled so I don't have it for this week).  He's typically high run block grade, low pass block grade.  He's getting Kirk murdered in the passing game.

It is painfully obvious every week where the issue is on the OL, not sure how much longer Cousins needs to get hammered.  

Ingram, Brad bury and Cleveland ain't got it.

it’s interesting. i think this oline is coming along and are putting their improvement on tape.  yes, Ingram Schlottman and Cleveland struggled some in pass pro against Tampa and Philly, those teams have pretty good lines.  i havent been very impressed with our backs in pass pro. they havent helped much. 

If we had a QB that could move it would be interesting to see where we are If our Coach hadnt come out and play Air Coryell with tempo the first two games and instead had some balance.  I see this line coming on some. Could Risner be a partial hedge on Ezra’s final year? 

Even though I'm down on Ingram, I'm always rooting for him. He's the kind of OG we haven't had in awhile physically: strong, tough minded, athletic and gets after it in the run game. He does try hard in pass protection, but he's still a liability. 

@"Bullazin" said: it’s interesting. i think this oline is coming along and are putting their improvement on tape.  yes, Ingram Schlottman and Cleveland struggled some in pass pro against Tampa and Philly, those teams have pretty good lines.  i havent been very impressed with our backs in pass pro. they havent helped much. 

If we had a QB that could move it would be interesting to see where we are If our Coach hadnt come out and play Air Coryell with tempo the first two games and instead had some balance.  I see this line coming on some. Could Risner be a partial hedge on Ezra’s final year? 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Bullazin" said: it’s interesting. i think this oline is coming along and are putting their improvement on tape.  yes, Ingram Schlottman and Cleveland struggled some in pass pro against Tampa and Philly, those teams have pretty good lines.  i havent been very impressed with our backs in pass pro. they havent helped much. 

If we had a QB that could move it would be interesting to see where we are If our Coach hadnt come out and play Air Coryell with tempo the first two games and instead had some balance.  I see this line coming on some. Could Risner be a partial hedge on Ezra’s final year? 

Yes, I think that's exactly what Risner is. Like Cleveland, he's not under contract in '24, but he'll be a lot cheaper than Cleveland, whom the Vikings probably can't afford considering the money going to O'Neill, Darrisaw and Bradbury. 

Cleveland might also want to play OT instead of Guard, so if an opportunity presents itself on the market he might be gone with the wind.

So a 64 score isn't or is good?  I have no idea what that number means, so a PFF grade means very little to me.

@"HappyViking" said: So a 64 score isn't or is good?  I have no idea what that number means, so a PFF grade means very little to me.

Probably can't expect him to play as well against Chris Jones. 

@"PurpleCrush" said: Cleveland might also want to play OT instead of Guard, so if an opportunity presents itself on the market he might be gone with the wind.

Like I have said when we had Risner in here the first time:  Risner is a huge upgrade in pass protection over Ingram and we are a pass first team.  After 4 games we have 157 pass attempts and 73 rushes.  Risner needs to get up to speed and starting ASAP.  Even 1 or 2 less hits a game on Kirk can help big time.  

@"StickyBun" said: Even though I'm down on Ingram, I'm always rooting for him. He's the kind of OG we haven't had in awhile physically: strong, tough minded, athletic and gets after it in the run game. He does try hard in pass protection, but he's still a liability.