Meh- it’s just how I feel about this team

@"Bullazin" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"pattersaur" said: We just aren’t that good this year. Even though many of us are long suffering fans, there’s been many years— including just last season tbh— where you could squint and maybe picture something magical. From everything the team has shown to this point, the ceiling seems to be mediocrity. Even as Vikings fans, that’s worse than what we’re accustomed to and it stinks.

Kirk is playing very well but it’s pretty clear this roster needs wholesale changes that should’ve been made years ago. The upcoming offseason might finally be the time the team starts that process. 

You sure don't hear a lot from "the squad" on here who was pumping this team up all offseason and talking about certain players who don't even play being all pros while lambasting myself and a few others who could see what this team really was from the outset. I generously thought we were a .500 type roster, but even I overshot that one by the looks of things. 

If the Vikings really wanted to fix this.. they'd end the Kwesi analytics experiment THIS OFFSEASON and hire a GM with actual personnel and scouting experience to oversee the next phase. I have zero faith in analytics as a barometer in identifying talent, the "competitive rebuild" or the allocation of salary dollars under this guy. It won't happen because the Wilfs are idiots at making football decisions, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't happen..

This was a 13 win team last year and the leadership was just put in place and havent had time to build it, but weve had this conversation already.  

A clock is right twice a day.  

@"supafreak84" said:

@"Bullazin" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"pattersaur" said: We just aren’t that good this year. Even though many of us are long suffering fans, there’s been many years— including just last season tbh— where you could squint and maybe picture something magical. From everything the team has shown to this point, the ceiling seems to be mediocrity. Even as Vikings fans, that’s worse than what we’re accustomed to and it stinks.

Kirk is playing very well but it’s pretty clear this roster needs wholesale changes that should’ve been made years ago. The upcoming offseason might finally be the time the team starts that process. 

You sure don't hear a lot from "the squad" on here who was pumping this team up all offseason and talking about certain players who don't even play being all pros while lambasting myself and a few others who could see what this team really was from the outset. I generously thought we were a .500 type roster, but even I overshot that one by the looks of things. 

If the Vikings really wanted to fix this.. they'd end the Kwesi analytics experiment THIS OFFSEASON and hire a GM with actual personnel and scouting experience to oversee the next phase. I have zero faith in analytics as a barometer in identifying talent, the "competitive rebuild" or the allocation of salary dollars under this guy. It won't happen because the Wilfs are idiots at making football decisions, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't happen..

This was a 13 win team last year and the leadership was just put in place and havent had time to build it, but weve had this conversation already.  

A clock is right twice a day.  

You can't build a team when the braintrust doesn't know what they are doing on draft day or in free agency, and you have ownership pushing "competitive" mandates. It's a two pronged recipe for disaster and the results are what we've seen so far 

@"Bullazin" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"Bullazin" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"pattersaur" said: We just aren’t that good this year. Even though many of us are long suffering fans, there’s been many years— including just last season tbh— where you could squint and maybe picture something magical. From everything the team has shown to this point, the ceiling seems to be mediocrity. Even as Vikings fans, that’s worse than what we’re accustomed to and it stinks.

Kirk is playing very well but it’s pretty clear this roster needs wholesale changes that should’ve been made years ago. The upcoming offseason might finally be the time the team starts that process. 

You sure don't hear a lot from "the squad" on here who was pumping this team up all offseason and talking about certain players who don't even play being all pros while lambasting myself and a few others who could see what this team really was from the outset. I generously thought we were a .500 type roster, but even I overshot that one by the looks of things. 

If the Vikings really wanted to fix this.. they'd end the Kwesi analytics experiment THIS OFFSEASON and hire a GM with actual personnel and scouting experience to oversee the next phase. I have zero faith in analytics as a barometer in identifying talent, the "competitive rebuild" or the allocation of salary dollars under this guy. It won't happen because the Wilfs are idiots at making football decisions, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't happen..

This was a 13 win team last year and the leadership was just put in place and havent had time to build it, but weve had this conversation already.  

A clock is right twice a day.  

You can't build a team when the braintrust doesn't know what they are doing on draft day or in free agency, and you have ownership pushing "competitive" mandates. It's a two pronged recipe for disaster and the results are what we've seen so far 

I agree with your first sentence 100%, But to say we can evaluate KAM/KOC as a failure already just feels like video game thinking. 

@"supafreak84" said:

@"Bullazin" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"Bullazin" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"pattersaur" said: We just aren’t that good this year. Even though many of us are long suffering fans, there’s been many years— including just last season tbh— where you could squint and maybe picture something magical. From everything the team has shown to this point, the ceiling seems to be mediocrity. Even as Vikings fans, that’s worse than what we’re accustomed to and it stinks.

Kirk is playing very well but it’s pretty clear this roster needs wholesale changes that should’ve been made years ago. The upcoming offseason might finally be the time the team starts that process. 

You sure don't hear a lot from "the squad" on here who was pumping this team up all offseason and talking about certain players who don't even play being all pros while lambasting myself and a few others who could see what this team really was from the outset. I generously thought we were a .500 type roster, but even I overshot that one by the looks of things. 

If the Vikings really wanted to fix this.. they'd end the Kwesi analytics experiment THIS OFFSEASON and hire a GM with actual personnel and scouting experience to oversee the next phase. I have zero faith in analytics as a barometer in identifying talent, the "competitive rebuild" or the allocation of salary dollars under this guy. It won't happen because the Wilfs are idiots at making football decisions, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't happen..

This was a 13 win team last year and the leadership was just put in place and havent had time to build it, but weve had this conversation already.  

A clock is right twice a day.  

You can't build a team when the braintrust doesn't know what they are doing on draft day or in free agency, and you have ownership pushing "competitive" mandates. It's a two pronged recipe for disaster and the results are what we've seen so far 

I agree with your first sentence 100%, But to say we can evaluate KAM/KOC as a failure already just feels like video game thinking. 

It's not when you pay attention to personnel decisions. The Wilfs rolled the dice on an outside the box hire with zero personnel or scouting experience. They didn't hire the person with the best resume and were more interested in checking a political box (the finalists after Poles pulled out were Kwesi and the female from Philly) then hiring the best candidate. So far that move has not paid off and has resulted in poor draft decisions, bizarre free agent signings, and a "competitive rebuild" that is anything but. 

I equate it to the old "just rip the bandaid off" adage. Like drafting a quarterback that clearly isn't working out and doesn't have it. Take the egg on the face and move on. It's what the Wilfs should do, but wont...

@"TBro" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"Bullazin" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"Bullazin" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"pattersaur" said: We just aren’t that good this year. Even though many of us are long suffering fans, there’s been many years— including just last season tbh— where you could squint and maybe picture something magical. From everything the team has shown to this point, the ceiling seems to be mediocrity. Even as Vikings fans, that’s worse than what we’re accustomed to and it stinks.

Kirk is playing very well but it’s pretty clear this roster needs wholesale changes that should’ve been made years ago. The upcoming offseason might finally be the time the team starts that process. 

You sure don't hear a lot from "the squad" on here who was pumping this team up all offseason and talking about certain players who don't even play being all pros while lambasting myself and a few others who could see what this team really was from the outset. I generously thought we were a .500 type roster, but even I overshot that one by the looks of things. 

If the Vikings really wanted to fix this.. they'd end the Kwesi analytics experiment THIS OFFSEASON and hire a GM with actual personnel and scouting experience to oversee the next phase. I have zero faith in analytics as a barometer in identifying talent, the "competitive rebuild" or the allocation of salary dollars under this guy. It won't happen because the Wilfs are idiots at making football decisions, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't happen..

This was a 13 win team last year and the leadership was just put in place and havent had time to build it, but weve had this conversation already.  

A clock is right twice a day.  

You can't build a team when the braintrust doesn't know what they are doing on draft day or in free agency, and you have ownership pushing "competitive" mandates. It's a two pronged recipe for disaster and the results are what we've seen so far 

I agree with your first sentence 100%, But to say we can evaluate KAM/KOC as a failure already just feels like video game thinking. 

It's not when you pay attention to personnel decisions. The Wilfs rolled the dice on an outside the box hire with zero personnel or scouting experience. They didn't hire the person with the best resume and were more interested in checking a political box (the finalists after Poles pulled out were Kwesi and the female from Philly) then hiring the best candidate. So far that move has not paid off and has resulted in poor draft decisions, bizarre free agent signings, and a "competitive rebuild" that is anything but. 

I equate it to the old "just rip the bandaid off" adage. Like drafting a quarterback that clearly isn't working out and doesn't have it. Take the egg on the face and move on. It's what the Wilfs should do, but wont...

The Wilfs won't get out of their own way. If we fall to 1-4, we should be open for business and move as many of our assets as we can. I just don't trust that the Wilfs will allow it and the trade deadline will have come and gone. We will scratch and claw enough wins to put us outside of the top QB's in the draft. I don't want to get stuck with another Matt Jones or Christian Ponder but that is my fear.