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#1 · Sep 21, 7:31 PM
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Hmm, won't this embed?

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how can that be roughing the passer when he wasnt passing the ball?  if they are going to allow fakes,  then they need to allow defenders to hit who they think has the ball.  It was a hell of a fake,  but I dont see the flag unless it was for landing on him with full weight??

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@"JimmyinSD" said: how can that be roughing the passer when he wasnt passing the ball?  if they are going to allow fakes,  then they need to allow defenders to hit who they think has the ball.  It was a hell of a fake,  but I dont see the flag unless it was for landing on him with full weight??
Could be the refs have tunnel vision and see what isn't really there as in roughing.  But to save them from picking up a flag they call roughing.  So many calls can change the outcome of a game it's frustrating watching sometimes.
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This isn't the sharpest guy on the field.

The QB had stopped playing and the rest of the team was going the other way.

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@"JimmyinSD" said: how can that be roughing the passer when he wasnt passing the ball?  if they are going to allow fakes,  then they need to allow defenders to hit who they think has the ball.  It was a hell of a fake,  but I dont see the flag unless it was for landing on him with full weight??

maybe it wasn't ruled "roughing the passer", maybe it was ruled "roughing the hand-off-er"

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@"JimmyinSD" said: how can that be roughing the passer when he wasnt passing the ball?  if they are going to allow fakes,  then they need to allow defenders to hit who they think has the ball.  It was a hell of a fake,  but I dont see the flag unless it was for landing on him with full weight??
You can't tackle the QB!
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@"greediron" said: This isn't the sharpest guy on the field.

The QB had stopped playing and the rest of the team was going the other way.


https://twitter.com/i/status/1704306513458995364

 

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@"jargomcfargo" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said: how can that be roughing the passer when he wasnt passing the ball?  if they are going to allow fakes,  then they need to allow defenders to hit who they think has the ball.  It was a hell of a fake,  but I dont see the flag unless it was for landing on him with full weight??
You can't tackle the QB!
If you think he has the ball you most certainly do.  You can't excessively tackle the QB,   but was that excessive?  It wasn't a pass,  but it certainly could have been a play action pass and he was hiding the ball which IMO makes him fair game.  No different than QBs running the option are fair game.  The only thing I could maybe see called there was unnecessary roughness for landing on the QB,  but I see Kirk get hit with unnecessary force every week and it goes uncalled.
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Can you hit a QB without the ball and he is defenseless? The runner was already past the line of scrimmage on an outside run. Goff was just watching it.

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Youre wrong Jimmy. You can’t late hit the QB. In this case it was a very late hit. 

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@"BigAl99" said: Can you hit a QB without the ball and he is defenseless? The runner was already past the line of scrimmage on an outside run. Goff was just watching it.


Yep....you obviously can't do this.

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@"BigAl99" said: Can you hit a QB without the ball and he is defenseless? The runner was already past the line of scrimmage on an outside run. Goff was just watching it.


I dont know how he was defenseless,  how many times do we QBs "sell" the play action fake by keeping their back to the LOS for a beat or two allowing the LBs to bite and then they turn and throw over top?  IMO its one of those grey area things,  you want to incorporate play action into your offense, then you should expect your QB to take some hits when he doesnt have the ball,  but Goff certainly had time to defend himself.  the ball carrier was at the LOS just as the hit was taking place.  That play right there would set up a naked reverse boot if the DE was caught chasing down the runner from the backside,  IMO its a risk of the play to have the QB like that as you know they have that naked backside boot in the game plan somewhere.

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@"StickyBun" said:
@"BigAl99" said: Can you hit a QB without the ball and he is defenseless? The runner was already past the line of scrimmage on an outside run. Goff was just watching it.


Yep....you obviously can't do this.


Well you can, and you can celebrate like you made a great play.  But there is the penalty

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@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"BigAl99" said: Can you hit a QB without the ball and he is defenseless? The runner was already past the line of scrimmage on an outside run. Goff was just watching it.


I dont know how he was defenseless,  how many times do we QBs "sell" the play action fake by keeping their back to the LOS for a beat or two allowing the LBs to bite and then they turn and throw over top?  IMO its one of those grey area things,  you want to incorporate play action into your offense, then you should expect your QB to take some hits when he doesnt have the ball,  but Goff certainly had time to defend himself.  the ball carrier was at the LOS just as the hit was taking place.  That play right there would set up a naked reverse boot if the DE was caught chasing down the runner from the backside,  IMO its a risk of the play to have the QB like that as you know they have that naked backside boot in the game plan somewhere.


Every other player on D recognized the ball was being run.  But not this bright bulb.

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@"greediron" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"BigAl99" said: Can you hit a QB without the ball and he is defenseless? The runner was already past the line of scrimmage on an outside run. Goff was just watching it.


I dont know how he was defenseless,  how many times do we QBs "sell" the play action fake by keeping their back to the LOS for a beat or two allowing the LBs to bite and then they turn and throw over top?  IMO its one of those grey area things,  you want to incorporate play action into your offense, then you should expect your QB to take some hits when he doesnt have the ball,  but Goff certainly had time to defend himself.  the ball carrier was at the LOS just as the hit was taking place.  That play right there would set up a naked reverse boot if the DE was caught chasing down the runner from the backside,  IMO its a risk of the play to have the QB like that as you know they have that naked backside boot in the game plan somewhere.


Every other player on D recognized the ball was being run.  But not this bright bulb.


He was playing from the backside and his job is to keep the play from getting outside.   And every player on his side of the ball didn't see it either or there wouldn't have been that huge gaping hole for the ball carrier to cut back into.  Either way,  sure the guy got duped,  but I dont see a flag there since it could have easily been a play action and he could see the handoff so he was playing his side.  Shouldnt have landed on the QB though. 

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Sorry Jimmy, but the guy is an idiot.  He was too busy celebrating to even realize the issue.

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@"greediron" said: Sorry Jimmy, but the guy is an idiot.  He was too busy celebrating to even realize the issue.
he was celebrating because he thought he sacked the QB,  he was fooled by the fake,  which is why it shouldnt have been a penatly.  kinda like when a receiver misses a pass but still takes a hit,   it was an expected outcome that he could have caught the ball so a hit shortly after the ball got there is within the rules,  a DE getting tricked by a fake where the QB keeps his body turned from the defender like he would on a play action pass.... IMO its no different.  dont want your QB hit, dont put them in situations where they could get hit.  

for the record,  not arguing hes not an idiot,  he should have been looking for a fumble immediately after the hit instead of going into celebration mode,  but I still dont think it should be a penatly.

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@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"greediron" said: Sorry Jimmy, but the guy is an idiot.  He was too busy celebrating to even realize the issue.
he was celebrating because he thought he sacked the QB,  he was fooled by the fake,  which is why it shouldnt have been a penatly.  kinda like when a receiver misses a pass but still takes a hit,   it was an expected outcome that he could have caught the ball so a hit shortly after the ball got there is within the rules,  a DE getting tricked by a fake where the QB keeps his body turned from the defender like he would on a play action pass.... IMO its no different.  dont want your QB hit, dont put them in situations where they could get hit.  

for the record,  not arguing hes not an idiot,  he should have been looking for a fumble immediately after the hit instead of going into celebration mode,  but I still dont think it should be a penatly.



If you hit the WR a couple seconds after the pass, you will get a flag.  Or if you tackle WR X when WR Y gets the ball, you will get flag.  Or if the player gives himself up and you come in and blow him up, there will be a flag.  Just because you were fooled doesn't mean it shouldn't be flagged.  Get smarter.

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@"greediron" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"greediron" said: Sorry Jimmy, but the guy is an idiot.  He was too busy celebrating to even realize the issue.
he was celebrating because he thought he sacked the QB,  he was fooled by the fake,  which is why it shouldnt have been a penatly.  kinda like when a receiver misses a pass but still takes a hit,   it was an expected outcome that he could have caught the ball so a hit shortly after the ball got there is within the rules,  a DE getting tricked by a fake where the QB keeps his body turned from the defender like he would on a play action pass.... IMO its no different.  dont want your QB hit, dont put them in situations where they could get hit.  

for the record,  not arguing hes not an idiot,  he should have been looking for a fumble immediately after the hit instead of going into celebration mode,  but I still dont think it should be a penatly.



If you hit the WR a couple seconds after the pass, you will get a flag.  Or if you tackle WR X when WR Y gets the ball, you will get flag.  Or if the player gives himself up and you come in and blow him up, there will be a flag.  Just because you were fooled doesn't mean it shouldn't be flagged.  Get smarter.


with those things you say,  there is a whistle to stop play,  there was no whistle here to tell the defender the play was over.  The QB was moving with his arms up at this chest ( like QBs are supposed to do to protect the ball as they are dropping back )  which also concealed the ball/no ball to the defender.  He was not defenseless as his attempt to fake the defense made him still an active participant in the play,  he was in no way giving himself up,  sorry, IMO if the QB is running play action he needs to be considered live until he has either made it very clear that he is not part of the play,  or the whistle blows.  That defender did his job based on what he could see,  we are really only talking about 2 seconds from the snap until the was hitting the QB,  so it was pretty bang bang.

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