KOC owns it

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"pattersaur" said: I still like KO and think he needs a lot more time and the chance to get “his own” QB, but yeah that was a mess late. It was a no-brainer spike situation. Everyone on and off the field involved is to blame for that bungling.

@"pattersaur" said: I still like KO and think he needs a lot more time and the chance to get “his own” QB, but yeah that was a mess late. It was a no-brainer spike situation. Everyone on and off the field involved is to blame for that bungling.

We had a QB throw  for 346 yds. We had receivers drop at least 3 balls that could have won or set up the win. Getting the top QB in next yrs. draft isn't going to fix what ails this franchise. We have a shitty D-line, shitty LBer's, marginal DB's, a shitty O-line, and marginal RB's. Other than that everything's swell.

"Maybe next year" is a longtime truism for Viking fans.  Sad to fall back on the old truism so early. "Maybe next year" but the last 56 years of fandom have clearly established a identifiable trend, nope, not next year either.  Oh well, enjoy the Vikes and expect nothing. 

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"pattersaur" said: I still like KO and think he needs a lot more time and the chance to get “his own” QB, but yeah that was a mess late. It was a no-brainer spike situation. Everyone on and off the field involved is to blame for that bungling.

@"pattersaur" said: I still like KO and think he needs a lot more time and the chance to get “his own” QB, but yeah that was a mess late. It was a no-brainer spike situation. Everyone on and off the field involved is to blame for that bungling.

We had a QB throw  for 346 yds. We had receivers drop at least 3 balls that could have won or set up the win. Getting the top QB in next yrs. draft isn't going to fix what ails this franchise. We have a shitty D-line, shitty LBer's, marginal DB's, a shitty O-line, and marginal RB's. Other than that everything's swell.

no, but qbotf is a necessity. I am hoping the trenches can get addressed (well) in FA now that they have made some cap improvements in 23. 

IOW, I want my cake and I want to eat it too.

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"pattersaur" said: I still like KO and think he needs a lot more time and the chance to get “his own” QB, but yeah that was a mess late. It was a no-brainer spike situation. Everyone on and off the field involved is to blame for that bungling.

@"pattersaur" said: I still like KO and think he needs a lot more time and the chance to get “his own” QB, but yeah that was a mess late. It was a no-brainer spike situation. Everyone on and off the field involved is to blame for that bungling.

We had a QB throw  for 346 yds. We had receivers drop at least 3 balls that could have won or set up the win. Getting the top QB in next yrs. draft isn't going to fix what ails this franchise. We have a shitty D-line, shitty LBer's, marginal DB's, a shitty O-line, and marginal RB's. Other than that everything's swell.

no, but qbotf is a necessity. I am hoping the trenches can get addressed (well) in FA now that they have made some cap improvements in 23. 

IOW, I want my cake and I want to eat it too.

We could have addressed the offensive line in the draft and in FA this year in a much more serious way. Instead of taking a flyer on a QB in the 5th round we passed on the Rimington Award winner Center . We also passed on Chandler Zavala in the same 5th rd. who's the starting LG for the Panthers. Still not convinced Addison was the right pick in rd.1 given our DE/LBer situation.

This team goes out of its way to ignore its basic deficiencies. 

KOC is headed for Les Frazierville - every presser will be about taking blame and "correcting the mistakes".  

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"pattersaur" said: I still like KO and think he needs a lot more time and the chance to get “his own” QB, but yeah that was a mess late. It was a no-brainer spike situation. Everyone on and off the field involved is to blame for that bungling.

@"pattersaur" said: I still like KO and think he needs a lot more time and the chance to get “his own” QB, but yeah that was a mess late. It was a no-brainer spike situation. Everyone on and off the field involved is to blame for that bungling.

We had a QB throw  for 346 yds. We had receivers drop at least 3 balls that could have won or set up the win. Getting the top QB in next yrs. draft isn't going to fix what ails this franchise. We have a shitty D-line, shitty LBer's, marginal DB's, a shitty O-line, and marginal RB's. Other than that everything's swell.

no, but qbotf is a necessity. I am hoping the trenches can get addressed (well) in FA now that they have made some cap improvements in 23. 

IOW, I want my cake and I want to eat it too.

We could have addressed the offensive line in the draft and in FA this year in a much more serious way. Instead of taking a flyer on a QB in the 5th round we passed on the Rimington Award winner Center . We also passed on Chandler Zavala in the same 5th rd. who's the starting LG for the Panthers. Still not convinced Addison was the right pick in rd.1 given our DE/LBer situation.

This team goes out of its way to ignore its basic deficiencies. 

@"comet52" said: KOC is headed for Les Frazierville - every presser will be about taking blame and "correcting the mistakes".  

@"comet52" said: KOC is headed for Les Frazierville - every presser will be about taking blame and "correcting the mistakes".  

What would you like to say? 

a 35 year old NFL QB thats been starting for as long as Kirk has,  zero damn excuses, you dont need a coach to call in the clock play,  in fact that should have been relayed in the previous huddle,  if the clock is running we are going to spike it so move your ass.   KOC can take the blame too for not having that in his previous call,  but regardless,  the situation was what it was and there was only 1 right thing to do there and that was to get set fast and stop the clock with a quick spike.

Listened closely to KOC and Kirk address the situation.  Filtering through the non-answers and politeness, here is what I gleaned: 

KOC:  Did not want to spike the ball.  Advantage in striking quickly and not letting the Chargers change personnel or scheme a defense.  Problem with the noise/communication system was an issue.  The throw to Hock was a play they might have called even if they had spiked the ball and had more time to breathe.  Unaddressed -- why did you not have a second play called on the 4th down call?

Kirko:  I do have the power to do what I want in that situation.  However, I am still butt hurt by getting called out by KOC for running a QB sneak without explicit permission last year in the Buffalo game.  So now I really don't know what I am supposed to do.  There was too much crowd noise and I could not hear the play being called into my headset and just had to get up to the line and run a play.

Question for the group:  Is there a better angle on the last play?  On the radio this morning they were saying the pass hit Hock right in the hands and it should have been a TD.  Should Hock have caught the ball?  I know it is irrelevant at this point, but curious on thoughts nonetheless.

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"pattersaur" said: I still like KO and think he needs a lot more time and the chance to get “his own” QB, but yeah that was a mess late. It was a no-brainer spike situation. Everyone on and off the field involved is to blame for that bungling.

@"pattersaur" said: I still like KO and think he needs a lot more time and the chance to get “his own” QB, but yeah that was a mess late. It was a no-brainer spike situation. Everyone on and off the field involved is to blame for that bungling.

We had a QB throw  for 346 yds. We had receivers drop at least 3 balls that could have won or set up the win. Getting the top QB in next yrs. draft isn't going to fix what ails this franchise. We have a shitty D-line, shitty LBer's, marginal DB's, a shitty O-line, and marginal RB's. Other than that everything's swell.

@"medaille" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"pattersaur" said: I still like KO and think he needs a lot more time and the chance to get “his own” QB, but yeah that was a mess late. It was a no-brainer spike situation. Everyone on and off the field involved is to blame for that bungling.

@"pattersaur" said: I still like KO and think he needs a lot more time and the chance to get “his own” QB, but yeah that was a mess late. It was a no-brainer spike situation. Everyone on and off the field involved is to blame for that bungling.

We had a QB throw  for 346 yds. We had receivers drop at least 3 balls that could have won or set up the win. Getting the top QB in next yrs. draft isn't going to fix what ails this franchise. We have a shitty D-line, shitty LBer's, marginal DB's, a shitty O-line, and marginal RB's. Other than that everything's swell.

 If the Vikings acquire a QB that they believe is likely to be capable of winning a SB, they can mortgage the future and go out and buy the free agents needed to fill many of our roster holes.  Cousins is not an elite QB.  We should always be on the lookout for one, and it would be foolish to not draft one, just because we have other holes on the roster.    Furthermore, our offense is very solid for a rookie QB to come into.  It’s not like they would be going into a situation where the team is so broken that we break the rookie QB as well.

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"medaille" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"pattersaur" said: I still like KO and think he needs a lot more time and the chance to get “his own” QB, but yeah that was a mess late. It was a no-brainer spike situation. Everyone on and off the field involved is to blame for that bungling.

@"pattersaur" said: I still like KO and think he needs a lot more time and the chance to get “his own” QB, but yeah that was a mess late. It was a no-brainer spike situation. Everyone on and off the field involved is to blame for that bungling.

We had a QB throw  for 346 yds. We had receivers drop at least 3 balls that could have won or set up the win. Getting the top QB in next yrs. draft isn't going to fix what ails this franchise. We have a shitty D-line, shitty LBer's, marginal DB's, a shitty O-line, and marginal RB's. Other than that everything's swell.

 If the Vikings acquire a QB that they believe is likely to be capable of winning a SB, they can mortgage the future and go out and buy the free agents needed to fill many of our roster holes.  Cousins is not an elite QB.  We should always be on the lookout for one, and it would be foolish to not draft one, just because we have other holes on the roster.    Furthermore, our offense is very solid for a rookie QB to come into.  It’s not like they would be going into a situation where the team is so broken that we break the rookie QB as well.

This offense is NOT solid. More than that, the defense is lacking talent on every level and in depth. Putting an elite QB in this offense would produce the same results we're seeing now. Plugging all of the holes via FA is a pipe dream. This team has a big rebuild ahead, and to get it done more quickly than 5-6 yrs., it has to be done through the draft, with a team of better minds than what's been shown over the past several years.    

Offense can't be solid with OL issues, run game issues and play calling issues. But more money is needed to fix them hence getting a rookie qb. Time to reset. 

Competitive rebuild my arse.  Come next offseason and draft the only positions that are solid are WR core (assuming Addison keeps it up) and OL Tackles (assuming health).  That is it and that is not competitive.  I am a little concerned that a tear it down rebuild is in the hands of Kwesi who has not had a very good two-year start.  Drafts look pretty bad, as well as FA's.  Let's hope we can find a franchise QB and go from there even if it is the blind squirrel approach:)

@"Vikergirl" said: Offense can't be solid with OL issues, run game issues and play calling issues. But more money is needed to fix them hence getting a rookie qb. Time to reset. 

@"minny65" said: I am a little concerned that a tear it down rebuild is in the hands of Kwesi who has not had a very good two-year start.  Drafts look pretty bad, as well as FA's.