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@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said: And both losses to NFC teams. Crazy bad turnovers. Injuries to the offensive line that can't afford it. D-line issues. Cousins keeps slinging it despite getting pounded. Looks bleak. The team has some talent, but lack it in 2 very important areas: iOL and iDL. 

Anyway......is it too early to talk NFL Draft?  :p

It's never too early to talk draft. Witness the several draft threads already going. 

But 0-2 presents an interesting dilemma regarding the draft. It's too early now obviously, but if the Vikings can't get healthy and can't stop shooting themselves in the foot, this team could flip the switch from a '23 to a '24 focus. 

Trade deadline is Oct. 31st. Vikings will have played 8 games. I think if we're 3-5 or worse at that point, we could see them move a player like Hunter for '24 draft capital.

I dont even think you wait that long,   if they cant turn it around in the next 2 games,  the season is pretty much over.  sure 1-3 or even 0-4 could somehow turn into a wild card,  and maybe the team will catch fire,  but lets look at the odds and just start selling early.  the return will be better 4 games in than 8 games in,  so why wait for the deadline and other teams looking to dump their players at the deadline?

Because it's unrealistic. It's very likely the Vikings think of themselves as a playoff team and will operate as such until it's out of reach. Right now the Vikings are more likely to buy than sell players. 

anybody looking at this team and thinking playoffs are the unrealistic ones... what was the stat  0-2 start equals an 11% shot at the playoffs?  sure its likely a little higher now with the extra game and half the division making the playoffs,  but 0-2 is 0-2,  and still facing a very tough schedule,  and thats reality.

It might be your reality. It's always your reality. But I can guarantee you it's not the team's. 

lol,  you may want to go look up the definition or reality, and just because you and maybe some on the team want to think that things will turn around and this team will suddenly be a real contender,  does not make it realistic,  just makes you a homer,  and with your views on it being more about entertainment value than team success.... nothing wrong with that.  I can be entertained other ways,  I want to see this team get back to kicking ass,  and we are no where near close to that this year.

@"Chuckf" said: pretty much sums it up Sticky!

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said: And both losses to NFC teams. Crazy bad turnovers. Injuries to the offensive line that can't afford it. D-line issues. Cousins keeps slinging it despite getting pounded. Looks bleak. The team has some talent, but lack it in 2 very important areas: iOL and iDL. 

Anyway......is it too early to talk NFL Draft?  :p

It's never too early to talk draft. Witness the several draft threads already going. 

But 0-2 presents an interesting dilemma regarding the draft. It's too early now obviously, but if the Vikings can't get healthy and can't stop shooting themselves in the foot, this team could flip the switch from a '23 to a '24 focus. 

Trade deadline is Oct. 31st. Vikings will have played 8 games. I think if we're 3-5 or worse at that point, we could see them move a player like Hunter for '24 draft capital.

I dont even think you wait that long,   if they cant turn it around in the next 2 games,  the season is pretty much over.  sure 1-3 or even 0-4 could somehow turn into a wild card,  and maybe the team will catch fire,  but lets look at the odds and just start selling early.  the return will be better 4 games in than 8 games in,  so why wait for the deadline and other teams looking to dump their players at the deadline?

Because it's unrealistic. It's very likely the Vikings think of themselves as a playoff team and will operate as such until it's out of reach. Right now the Vikings are more likely to buy than sell players. 

anybody looking at this team and thinking playoffs are the unrealistic ones... what was the stat  0-2 start equals an 11% shot at the playoffs?  sure its likely a little higher now with the extra game and half the division making the playoffs,  but 0-2 is 0-2,  and still facing a very tough schedule,  and thats reality.

It might be your reality. It's always your reality. But I can guarantee you it's not the team's. 

lol,  you may want to go look up the definition or reality, and just because you and maybe some on the team want to think that things will turn around and this team will suddenly be a real contender,  does not make it realistic,  just makes you a homer,  and with your views on it being more about entertainment value than team success.... nothing wrong with that.  I can be entertained other ways,  I want to see this team get back to kicking ass,  and we are no where near close to that this year.

This has nothing to do with you or me, Mr. Jimmy. It's about what the team thinks. Fans offer up stupid ideas every damn week. But to think the team will or should break it down in week two is just silly. Its wildly unrealistic and not even worth talking about. Week 8 or 9 might be a different story. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said: And both losses to NFC teams. Crazy bad turnovers. Injuries to the offensive line that can't afford it. D-line issues. Cousins keeps slinging it despite getting pounded. Looks bleak. The team has some talent, but lack it in 2 very important areas: iOL and iDL. 

Anyway......is it too early to talk NFL Draft?  :p

It's never too early to talk draft. Witness the several draft threads already going. 

But 0-2 presents an interesting dilemma regarding the draft. It's too early now obviously, but if the Vikings can't get healthy and can't stop shooting themselves in the foot, this team could flip the switch from a '23 to a '24 focus. 

Trade deadline is Oct. 31st. Vikings will have played 8 games. I think if we're 3-5 or worse at that point, we could see them move a player like Hunter for '24 draft capital.

I dont even think you wait that long,   if they cant turn it around in the next 2 games,  the season is pretty much over.  sure 1-3 or even 0-4 could somehow turn into a wild card,  and maybe the team will catch fire,  but lets look at the odds and just start selling early.  the return will be better 4 games in than 8 games in,  so why wait for the deadline and other teams looking to dump their players at the deadline?

Because it's unrealistic. It's very likely the Vikings think of themselves as a playoff team and will operate as such until it's out of reach. Right now the Vikings are more likely to buy than sell players. 

anybody looking at this team and thinking playoffs are the unrealistic ones... what was the stat  0-2 start equals an 11% shot at the playoffs?  sure its likely a little higher now with the extra game and half the division making the playoffs,  but 0-2 is 0-2,  and still facing a very tough schedule,  and thats reality.

It might be your reality. It's always your reality. But I can guarantee you it's not the team's. 

lol,  you may want to go look up the definition or reality, and just because you and maybe some on the team want to think that things will turn around and this team will suddenly be a real contender,  does not make it realistic,  just makes you a homer,  and with your views on it being more about entertainment value than team success.... nothing wrong with that.  I can be entertained other ways,  I want to see this team get back to kicking ass,  and we are no where near close to that this year.

This has nothing to do with you or me, Mr. Jimmy. It's about what the team thinks. Fans offer up stupid ideas every damn week. But to think the team will or should break it down in week two is just silly. Its wildly unrealistic and not even worth talking about. Week 8 or 9 might be a different story. 

As much as I think sending Kirk to the Jets could be a great start to a real rebuild, the Wilfs are in Fantasyland on the football front and always have been.  They won't approve it, barring a disaster.

So is there a pending disaster?  I think the Carolina game is actually the key here.  Road game on grass is not our best situation but it's a bad team we should beat.

They will probably beat the Chargers, then that game gets them back to 2-2 and breathing room.  BUT, lose it, then lose to KC, beat the Bears, lose to San Fran, then hit the road and lose at Lambeau and you are 2-6 two days before the trade deadline.  The stumbling bumbling squad I watched last night is entirely capable of hitting that mark. 

Even with a Carolina win you might still be 3-5.  Probably good enough to fuel the fantasy status quo over at TCO, but it's food for thought.

Whatever the case, this team is an audience draw because in our games people get to see things that are seldom seen or fascinating. Like in this game the fumble through the endzone, and the 61 yard fieldgoal, which all of us here knew it would be good before he  kicked it.
Hey, perhaps maybe by week 17 we can be the first team ever to fair-catch a kickoff.

The goal is to keep JJ happy this year.  Sorry but that means moving on from Kirk (unless we go 5-0 on the next 5 games), get what you can, hopefully a 1st from someone and start fresh.  Draft a young QB and use money to strengthen the interior OL.  Draft DL with the remaining high picks.

A young QB with legs and upside, a strong OL with these weapons can be an instant success (Purdy in SF is a good example)

So, if 13 wins last season was meaningless or irrelevant, how come so much weight being given to 2 losses…?

sone to be 0-3

I wonder how many one score games the Eagles have to win before the media treats them like they did us last season?They have 2 now.

@"BigAl99" said:

@"medaille" said:

@"BigAl99" said: I got a hunch that by the end of the season, statistically, the 22 & 23 seasons will average 8-9 records.  The number of 1 score wins will also average out.  The only positive thing is the improvement in the D, they can get a stop, last year they couldn't, hope that's not just a dead cat bounce.  

So you’re predicting that we’re going to have two very improbable seasons back to back where every bounce will go the wrong way and we’ll end up 3-14?  Like what are the odds of 2 statistically unlikely things both happening?  It’s really, really unlikely.

I would say last year was the improbable, 9-8 or 8-9 was the more probable.  This year with a harder schedule, how things have started and the lack of personnel up-grades we will be closer to 3-14 than 8-9 or 9-8.  So yeah I will stand by my assessment and keep cheering for the purple.   We are all aware that last years record will not directly effect this years record, but indirectly lower draft positions, harder schedule and the probable emergence of one or more NFC north teams.  I am not that optimistic and would love to be wrong.

@"medaille" said:

@"BigAl99" said:

@"medaille" said:

@"BigAl99" said: I got a hunch that by the end of the season, statistically, the 22 & 23 seasons will average 8-9 records.  The number of 1 score wins will also average out.  The only positive thing is the improvement in the D, they can get a stop, last year they couldn't, hope that's not just a dead cat bounce.  

So you’re predicting that we’re going to have two very improbable seasons back to back where every bounce will go the wrong way and we’ll end up 3-14?  Like what are the odds of 2 statistically unlikely things both happening?  It’s really, really unlikely.

I would say last year was the improbable, 9-8 or 8-9 was the more probable.  This year with a harder schedule, how things have started and the lack of personnel up-grades we will be closer to 3-14 than 8-9 or 9-8.  So yeah I will stand by my assessment and keep cheering for the purple.   We are all aware that last years record will not directly effect this years record, but indirectly lower draft positions, harder schedule and the probable emergence of one or more NFC north teams.  I am not that optimistic and would love to be wrong.

The only way we end up closer to 3-14 than 8 or 9 wins is if Cousins misses half the season with an injury.  I just don't think anything less than 6 wins is even remotely within the realm of being realistic.  I think even if things go badly, we're still looking at 7 wins, 6 if I'm extremely pessimistic.  3, 4, or 5 wins is what you'd reserve for a team that has no redeeming qualities and generally sucks in most facets of the game, which is not us.

Its pretty easy as a long time disappointed fan to just be defeatist and understand that we seemingly can't have nice things in Vikingland. Honestly, its why I am less emotionally involved the last 5+ years than ever (couldn't tell by your post count, Sticky!  :p )

I really enjoy college football and basketball, gotten back into reading non-fiction (which I love) and just being outdoors in the beautiful Florida weather/water. I'm past spending emotional energy (at least too much) into a cursed franchise. I'm very fair weather now. But crankier than ever, lol!

@"StickyBun" said: Its pretty easy as a long time disappointed fan to just be defeatist and understand that we seemingly can't have nice things in Vikingland. Honestly, its why I am less emotionally involved the last 5+ years than ever (couldn't tell by your post count, Sticky!  :p )

I really enjoy college football and basketball, gotten back into reading non-fiction (which I love) and just being outdoors in the beautiful Florida weather/water. I'm past spending emotional energy (at least too much) into a cursed franchise. I'm very fair weather now. But crankier than ever, lol!

Well the vikings are getting the breaks they need. Detroit and Bears just lost. Atlanta leading but have to hold for another min

GB lost. Great!

I have no idea what is going to happen, but Minnesota is not out of the NFCN race by any stretch. Hasn't played any of them yet. There are no world beaters in the division, its very winnable. But they won't be doing it playing like they've played the first two games.