Expect Kirko to get knocked around in this game....

Some advocate that all that is needed is time and consistencyalong the front 5,  I say a weak interior is going to be a weak interior no matter how much time the play together.  I think we needed to find a stronger center and possibly have looked at moving Cleveland back to RG,   where I thought he looked better early on in his career,  he's not bad now,   I just think he looked stronger on the right.... oh well the table is set,  strap em up,  the season starts today.

im hoping to see CJ Ham and Oliver and Mattison lay the wood a few times on O, will make me feel better about our IOL gettting ass handed. 

Just keep Kirko outta the ambulance and we should be ok. 

Vita Vea beats everyone. He beats All Pros. Yes, he's going to beat our IOL. On the list of nightmares for Cleveland, Bradbury and Ingram, Vea sits atop the list. 

I want you to mentally prepare for Vita Vea. That matchup will not end well for us and nobody should be surprised on Sunday.pic.twitter.com/a4IRONNor7

— Janik Eckardt (@JanikEckardt) September 6, 2023

@"JimmyinSD" said: Some advocate that all that is needed is time and consistencyalong the front 5,  

Same with the defense. An attacking philosophy is not all we need to fix the D. But can it improve it enough to make the Vikings a better overall team? Maybe. We'll see. But that's the question. No one should think the defense is now fixed. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: Some advocate that all that is needed is time and consistencyalong the front 5,  

I don't think anyone thinks time and consistency are "all that is needed" to fix the IOL. But will returning all five linemen for the first time in a decade, and Ingram going from rookie to 2nd year player, result in incremental improvement? Yeah, it should. We'll see. But that's the question. 

Same with the defense. An attacking philosophy is not all we need to fix the D. But can it improve it enough to make the Vikings a better overall team? Maybe. We'll see. But that's the question. No one should think the defense is now fixed. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: Some advocate that all that is needed is time and consistencyalong the front 5,  

I don't think anyone thinks time and consistency are "all that is needed" to fix the IOL. But will returning all five linemen for the first time in a decade, and Ingram going from rookie to 2nd year player, result in incremental improvement? Yeah, it should. We'll see. But that's the question. 

Same with the defense. An attacking philosophy is not all we need to fix the D. But can it improve it enough to make the Vikings a better overall team? Maybe. We'll see. But that's the question. No one should think the defense is now fixed. 

LOL....our IOL cant get much worse,  so by default it can only go up,  but even that small growth that comes from returning the same 5 is still going to likely lead to Kirk getting his ass pounded to often for a guy his age.  Smart money would have been to get get off the bradbury merry go round and put somebody in there that can actually anchor and get push when the play calls for it, even if they werent as technically sound.    I dont care what he weighs,  he plays like hes about 275.  if opposing defenses didnt have DTs that needed blocking,  an athletic center is nice,  but unfortunately sometimes the defense will force him to block a big nasty and he has never shown that ability.  

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: Some advocate that all that is needed is time and consistencyalong the front 5,  

I don't think anyone thinks time and consistency are "all that is needed" to fix the IOL. But will returning all five linemen for the first time in a decade, and Ingram going from rookie to 2nd year player, result in incremental improvement? Yeah, it should. We'll see. But that's the question. 

Same with the defense. An attacking philosophy is not all we need to fix the D. But can it improve it enough to make the Vikings a better overall team? Maybe. We'll see. But that's the question. No one should think the defense is now fixed. 

LOL....our IOL cant get much worse,  so by default it can only go up,  but even that small growth that comes from returning the same 5 is still going to likely lead to Kirk getting his ass pounded to often for a guy his age.  Smart money would have been to get get off the bradbury merry go round and put somebody in there that can actually anchor and get push when the play calls for it, even if they werent as technically sound.    I dont care what he weighs,  he plays like hes about 275.  if opposing defenses didnt have DTs that needed blocking,  an athletic center is nice,  but unfortunately sometimes the defense will force him to block a big nasty and he has never shown that ability.  

When you're talking about a top 5-10 offense with Cousins, Jefferson, Addison, TJH and maybe the best bookend tackles in the NFL, marginal improvement from its weak point (the IOL), can make a big difference. 

And about this "smart money" paid to "somebody" that can anchor is a nice dream. But I'm curious who you had in mind. 

There are more good DTs/NTs in the NFL than there's ever been. Its rare that the center/guards get a game off from that. So this week its Vea....next week will be player X.....then watch out for Player Y! At some point, you have to want better than Bradbury at center. I know its not just as easy as replacing him, but I haven't seen any real attempt in the past 3 seasons to do that. 

@"StickyBun" said: There are more good DTs/NTs in the NFL than there's ever been. Its rare that the center/guards get a game off from that. So this week its Vea....next week will be player X.....then watch out for Player Y! At some point, you have to want better than Bradbury at center. I know its not just as easy as replacing him, but I haven't seen any real attempt in the past 3 seasons to do that. 

To me the interesting one is Ingram. Will he better? Probably. We did hear some good things from camp. But unfortunately not the kind of raves that would seem to foretell a massive improvement. So will he be better enough to hold off Blake Brandel? KOC sounded almost giddy when talking about Brandel. If Ingram continues to struggle it wouldn't surprise me to see them put Brandel in...even week one. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said: There are more good DTs/NTs in the NFL than there's ever been. Its rare that the center/guards get a game off from that. So this week its Vea....next week will be player X.....then watch out for Player Y! At some point, you have to want better than Bradbury at center. I know its not just as easy as replacing him, but I haven't seen any real attempt in the past 3 seasons to do that. 

I think the reason they committed to Bradbury (for three years no less) is because he's improved every season and they expect that to continue. Is he going to get beat by Vea, and others like Dexter Lawrence? Of course. Look at that clip. That's 5X all pro Jason Kelce getting repeatedly embarrassed by Vea. Here's one of Dexter Lawrence destroying 3X all pro Quenton Nelson. So is it going to happen to the three decidedly non-all-pro stooges on our IOL? Yes. But can it be limited or schemed out enough so that our offense can move the ball on occasion? We'll see.

To me the interesting one is Ingram. Will he better? Probably. We did hear some good things from camp. But unfortunately not the kind of raves that would seem to foretell a massive improvement. So will he be better enough to hold off Blake Brandel? KOC sounded almost giddy when talking about Brandel. If Ingram continues to struggle it wouldn't surprise me to see them put Brandel in...even week one. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said: There are more good DTs/NTs in the NFL than there's ever been. Its rare that the center/guards get a game off from that. So this week its Vea....next week will be player X.....then watch out for Player Y! At some point, you have to want better than Bradbury at center. I know its not just as easy as replacing him, but I haven't seen any real attempt in the past 3 seasons to do that. 

I think the reason they committed to Bradbury (for three years no less) is because he's improved every season and they expect that to continue. Is he going to get beat by Vea, and others like Dexter Lawrence? Of course. Look at that clip. That's 5X all pro Jason Kelce getting repeatedly embarrassed by Vea. Here's one of Dexter Lawrence destroying 3X all pro Quenton Nelson. So is it going to happen to the three decidedly non-all-pro stooges on our IOL? Yes. But can it be limited or schemed out enough so that our offense can move the ball on occasion? We'll see.

To me the interesting one is Ingram. Will he better? Probably. We did hear some good things from camp. But unfortunately not the kind of raves that would seem to foretell a massive improvement. So will he be better enough to hold off Blake Brandel? KOC sounded almost giddy when talking about Brandel. If Ingram continues to struggle it wouldn't surprise me to see them put Brandel in...even week one. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said: There are more good DTs/NTs in the NFL than there's ever been. Its rare that the center/guards get a game off from that. So this week its Vea....next week will be player X.....then watch out for Player Y! At some point, you have to want better than Bradbury at center. I know its not just as easy as replacing him, but I haven't seen any real attempt in the past 3 seasons to do that. 

I think the reason they committed to Bradbury (for three years no less) is because he's improved every season and they expect that to continue. Is he going to get beat by Vea, and others like Dexter Lawrence? Of course. Look at that clip. That's 5X all pro Jason Kelce getting repeatedly embarrassed by Vea. Here's one of Dexter Lawrence destroying 3X all pro Quenton Nelson. So is it going to happen to the three decidedly non-all-pro stooges on our IOL? Yes. But can it be limited or schemed out enough so that our offense can move the ball on occasion? We'll see.

To me the interesting one is Ingram. Will he better? Probably. We did hear some good things from camp. But unfortunately not the kind of raves that would seem to foretell a massive improvement. So will he be better enough to hold off Blake Brandel? KOC sounded almost giddy when talking about Brandel. If Ingram continues to struggle it wouldn't surprise me to see them put Brandel in...even week one. 

https://twitter.com/Andrew_Krammer/status/1699799336090243078?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Vikings OC Wes Phillips on Blake Brandel: "He's a large man inside. You like to have those big rectangular guards. You love those rectangle guys."

— Alec Lewis (@alec_lewis) September 7, 2023

Brandel is gonna be starting by week 4 is my educated guess.

I've been watching brandel play since 2010,I absolutely think hell do it. 

I think the Vikings are gonna give him a chance to start. 

I am one who believes that the more the Oline plays together, the more they improve overall.  This doesn't mean that one and one match-ups won't be lost but overall there will be improvement.  Also, lets be realistic, the Vikings are going to devote a lot of money to the tackles, they can't have all-pro guards.  If they become average, that's a win.

Additionally, I think the offense will evolve this year to do things to help Kirk.  I think you will have some faster developing routes with the shifty Addison (Thielen was no longer quick enough for such routes last year).  We will see a lot more 2 TE formations that will allow a tackle to assist a guard, etc.  Again, you can't have all-pros across the line so you have to make up for that with creativity and schemes.

@"VikingOracle" said: I am one who believes that the more the Oline plays together, the more they improve overall.  This doesn't mean that one and one match-ups won't be lost but overall there will be improvement.  Also, lets be realistic, the Vikings are going to devote a lot of money to the tackles, they can't have all-pro guards.  If they become average, that's a win.

Additionally, I think the offense will evolve this year to do things to help Kirk.  I think you will have some faster developing routes with the shifty Addison (Thielen was no longer quick enough for such routes last year).  We will see a lot more 2 TE formations that will allow a tackle to assist a guard, etc.  Again, you can't have all-pros across the line so you have to make up for that with creativity and schemes.