2024 QB Watch

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

You're not reading it correctly. 100 doesn't mean they were flawless. It's a curve, which means you give the highest graded team 100 and go from there. But that's just the PFF grade. There were two other evaluating groups who factored into this. Looks like the Vikings graded quite a bit lower among those groups, but still high enough to where a composite grade put them at #1. But again, this doesn't include the last three weeks. And yes, continuity is always a good thing. 

I read it fine,  you didn't read my post.  The 100 says PFF ranked them the top unit and that is simply bull shit, not even close to reality,  and it's  that 100 that skews the other 2 so badly resulting in a flawed at best ranking.

Are they stupid? Being paid off? Part of some vast Vike-wing conspiracy? Or is it possible that the Vikings actually do grade fairly well as a collection of individuals, but don't play well as a unit? 

well.... Collinsworth

you keep trusting PFF,  I will go with my eyes and actual football stats to support my position.

2023 Vikings Pass Stats-- in fairness,  the Vikings were one of the most pass happy teams, but one would think that would lend to them getting better at pass protection.

sacks allowed 47-tied for 10th worst in the league
pocket time  2.6 only a tenth off the top time so thats pretty good,  but at the same time,  only .6 separates the best and the worst in the league.
hits on QB 96-- this is dead last in the league and 19 more than any other team.
pressure % on QB--26.7%,  this is 3rd from the worst in the league

you keep on going with a system that has proven to be wrong as much as is it right,  I am going to stick with my the facts and my eyes,  which say our IOL ( most of the pressure and hits, especially early in the plays, come from between the tackles,  and often from between the guards.)  is in need of a major improvement.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

You're not reading it correctly. 100 doesn't mean they were flawless. It's a curve, which means you give the highest graded team 100 and go from there. But that's just the PFF grade. There were two other evaluating groups who factored into this. Looks like the Vikings graded quite a bit lower among those groups, but still high enough to where a composite grade put them at #1. But again, this doesn't include the last three weeks. And yes, continuity is always a good thing. 

I read it fine,  you didn't read my post.  The 100 says PFF ranked them the top unit and that is simply bull shit, not even close to reality,  and it's  that 100 that skews the other 2 so badly resulting in a flawed at best ranking.

Are they stupid? Being paid off? Part of some vast Vike-wing conspiracy? Or is it possible that the Vikings actually do grade fairly well as a collection of individuals, but don't play well as a unit? 

well.... Collinsworth

you keep trusting PFF,  I will go with my eyes and actual football stats to support my position.

2023 Vikings Pass Stats-- in fairness,  the Vikings were one of the most pass happy teams, but one would think that would lend to them getting better at pass protection.

sacks allowed 47-tied for 10th worst in the league
pocket time  2.6 only a tenth off the top time so thats pretty good,  but at the same time,  only .6 separates the best and the worst in the league.
hits on QB 96-- this is dead last in the league and 19 more than any other team.
pressure % on QB--26.7%,  this is 3rd from the worst in the league

you keep on going with a system that has proven to be wrong as much as is it right,  I am going to stick with my the facts and my eyes,  which say our IOL ( most of the pressure and hits, especially early in the plays, come from between the tackles,  and often from between the guards.)  is in need of a major improvement.

Or is it possible that the Vikings actually do grade fairly well as a collection of individuals, but don't play well as a unit? 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

You're not reading it correctly. 100 doesn't mean they were flawless. It's a curve, which means you give the highest graded team 100 and go from there. But that's just the PFF grade. There were two other evaluating groups who factored into this. Looks like the Vikings graded quite a bit lower among those groups, but still high enough to where a composite grade put them at #1. But again, this doesn't include the last three weeks. And yes, continuity is always a good thing. 

I read it fine,  you didn't read my post.  The 100 says PFF ranked them the top unit and that is simply bull shit, not even close to reality,  and it's  that 100 that skews the other 2 so badly resulting in a flawed at best ranking.

Are they stupid? Being paid off? Part of some vast Vike-wing conspiracy? Or is it possible that the Vikings actually do grade fairly well as a collection of individuals, but don't play well as a unit? 

well.... Collinsworth

you keep trusting PFF,  I will go with my eyes and actual football stats to support my position.

2023 Vikings Pass Stats-- in fairness,  the Vikings were one of the most pass happy teams, but one would think that would lend to them getting better at pass protection.

sacks allowed 47-tied for 10th worst in the league
pocket time  2.6 only a tenth off the top time so thats pretty good,  but at the same time,  only .6 separates the best and the worst in the league.
hits on QB 96-- this is dead last in the league and 19 more than any other team.
pressure % on QB--26.7%,  this is 3rd from the worst in the league

you keep on going with a system that has proven to be wrong as much as is it right,  I am going to stick with my the facts and my eyes,  which say our IOL ( most of the pressure and hits, especially early in the plays, come from between the tackles,  and often from between the guards.)  is in need of a major improvement.

Or is it possible that the Vikings actually do grade fairly well as a collection of individuals, but don't play well as a unit? 

wasnt it you just a day or two ago getting on somebodies ass about ignoring stats and arguing just for the sake of it?  like i said, if you want to ignore the actual games,  and the statistics from those games,  and go with the magic fairy shit from PFF because it somehow supports a bad take you made... go right ahead and be wrong with them,  no skin off my ass.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

You're not reading it correctly. 100 doesn't mean they were flawless. It's a curve, which means you give the highest graded team 100 and go from there. But that's just the PFF grade. There were two other evaluating groups who factored into this. Looks like the Vikings graded quite a bit lower among those groups, but still high enough to where a composite grade put them at #1. But again, this doesn't include the last three weeks. And yes, continuity is always a good thing. 

I read it fine,  you didn't read my post.  The 100 says PFF ranked them the top unit and that is simply bull shit, not even close to reality,  and it's  that 100 that skews the other 2 so badly resulting in a flawed at best ranking.

Are they stupid? Being paid off? Part of some vast Vike-wing conspiracy? Or is it possible that the Vikings actually do grade fairly well as a collection of individuals, but don't play well as a unit? 

well.... Collinsworth

you keep trusting PFF,  I will go with my eyes and actual football stats to support my position.

2023 Vikings Pass Stats-- in fairness,  the Vikings were one of the most pass happy teams, but one would think that would lend to them getting better at pass protection.

sacks allowed 47-tied for 10th worst in the league
pocket time  2.6 only a tenth off the top time so thats pretty good,  but at the same time,  only .6 separates the best and the worst in the league.
hits on QB 96-- this is dead last in the league and 19 more than any other team.
pressure % on QB--26.7%,  this is 3rd from the worst in the league

you keep on going with a system that has proven to be wrong as much as is it right,  I am going to stick with my the facts and my eyes,  which say our IOL ( most of the pressure and hits, especially early in the plays, come from between the tackles,  and often from between the guards.)  is in need of a major improvement.

Or is it possible that the Vikings actually do grade fairly well as a collection of individuals, but don't play well as a unit? 

wasnt it you just a day or two ago getting on somebodies ass about ignoring stats and arguing just for the sake of it?  like i said, if you want to ignore the actual games,  and the statistics from those games,  and go with the magic fairy shit from PFF because it somehow supports a bad take you made... go right ahead and be wrong with them,  no skin off my ass.

Calm down, Jimmy. 

(h/t@TPPSkol)

I’m afraid Kwazy will trade down from 11, then trade back in for Penix enabling him to pick 2 injury risks in round 1… ;) B)  

Just read one article that said Penix looked like ass at the Senior Bowl, followed by another different article that said he rocked.

So much fun reading sports articles on the fucking internet.

@"StickyBun" said: Just read one article that said Penix looked like ass at the Senior Bowl, followed by another different article that said he rocked.

So much fun reading sports articles on the fucking internet.

OK, Jim. Bet you my salary against yours. 

"Don't be surprised if/when he's the number one QB off the board. That's my prediction right now."

Jim Harbaugh with high praise for JJ McCarthy
pic.twitter.com/XxK4DZ5r1U

— Barstool Sports (@barstoolsports) February 2, 2024

@"MaroonBells" said: OK, Jim. Bet you my salary against yours. 

"Don't be surprised if/when he's the number one QB off the board. That's my prediction right now."

Jim Harbaugh with high praise for JJ McCarthy
pic.twitter.com/XxK4DZ5r1U

— Barstool Sports (@barstoolsports) February 2, 2024

@"MaroonBells" said: OK, Jim. Bet you my salary against yours. 

"Don't be surprised if/when he's the number one QB off the board. That's my prediction right now."

Jim Harbaugh with high praise for JJ McCarthy
pic.twitter.com/XxK4DZ5r1U

— Barstool Sports (@barstoolsports) February 2, 2024

@"RS Express" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: OK, Jim. Bet you my salary against yours. 

"Don't be surprised if/when he's the number one QB off the board. That's my prediction right now."

Jim Harbaugh with high praise for JJ McCarthy
pic.twitter.com/XxK4DZ5r1U

— Barstool Sports (@barstoolsports) February 2, 2024

Harbaugh doesn't believe what he said and no one thinks he believes it.  That was 100% sticking up for your player.

Interesting conversation with analyst Jordan Reid about Penix and Nix underwhelming in Mobile, New England possibly passing on QB because they have an entire roster to fill and do you put a rookie QB on a team like that? Good point. And the Vikings, if they don't trade up or down, possibly getting the top defensive player in the draft at 11. 

NFL Draft and College Football Analyst @Jordan_Reid talks about how both QBs Bo Nix and Michael Penix Jr. had a very “underwhelming” Senior Bowl.

Could QB J.J McCarthy’s stock be on the rise and the top “tier 2” QB now? 🤔
pic.twitter.com/ZLjLpEehdG

— The Purple Persuasion (@TPPSkol) February 3, 2024

I really wish more people who evaluate players would tell both sides of the story like this. You need to click on the thread to read it all. 

I promised I’d go back and re-watch so Jayden Daniels to see what I may have missed.

Here is a thread highlighting some of what I see.

First, the positives:

This throw is an NFL Big-Boy throw from opposite hash to sideline high and to the outside.

Perfection. pic.twitter.com/bHJ45dGEXh

— Mark Tyler (Hogs Haven) (@Tiller56) February 3, 2024

@"MaroonBells" said: I really wish more people who evaluate players would tell both sides of the story like this. You need to click on the thread to read it all. 

I promised I’d go back and re-watch so Jayden Daniels to see what I may have missed.

Here is a thread highlighting some of what I see.

First, the positives:

This throw is an NFL Big-Boy throw from opposite hash to sideline high and to the outside.

Perfection. pic.twitter.com/bHJ45dGEXh

— Mark Tyler (Hogs Haven) (@Tiller56) February 3, 2024

@"pattersaur" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: I really wish more people who evaluate players would tell both sides of the story like this. You need to click on the thread to read it all. 

I promised I’d go back and re-watch so Jayden Daniels to see what I may have missed.

Here is a thread highlighting some of what I see.

First, the positives:

This throw is an NFL Big-Boy throw from opposite hash to sideline high and to the outside.

Perfection. pic.twitter.com/bHJ45dGEXh

— Mark Tyler (Hogs Haven) (@Tiller56) February 3, 2024

Most of the negatives are differing versions of, “got lit up, should have slid.” Teachable. The pocket awareness is the bigger concern but hopefully would improve in time.

Here's the same guy on Drake Maye...

Woke up early to study more film of Drake Maye

Did all his offensive snaps from the Clemson game. There was some good, but also some head-scratching bad…

The good:
Nice ball against C2 here down the sideline. Knows where he wants to go with the ball and places it perfectly pic.twitter.com/0VEDHyy4Qb

— Mark Tyler (Hogs Haven) (@Tiller56) February 4, 2024

@"MaroonBells" said: Here's the same guy on Drake Maye...

Woke up early to study more film of Drake Maye

Did all his offensive snaps from the Clemson game. There was some good, but also some head-scratching bad…

The good:
Nice ball against C2 here down the sideline. Knows where he wants to go with the ball and places it perfectly pic.twitter.com/0VEDHyy4Qb

— Mark Tyler (Hogs Haven) (@Tiller56) February 4, 2024

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: Here's the same guy on Drake Maye...

Woke up early to study more film of Drake Maye

Did all his offensive snaps from the Clemson game. There was some good, but also some head-scratching bad…

The good:
Nice ball against C2 here down the sideline. Knows where he wants to go with the ball and places it perfectly pic.twitter.com/0VEDHyy4Qb

— Mark Tyler (Hogs Haven) (@Tiller56) February 4, 2024

I've never really warmed to Maye after doing a fan deep dive on him a few months ago. Wanted to see what all the hype was about.....and I never saw it. JMO. 

@"jargomcfargo" said: At some point you would think that fans would stop making excuses for why this team hasn't been competitive since 2009! 

@"minny65" said:

@"jargomcfargo" said: At some point you would think that fans would stop making excuses for why this team hasn't been competitive since 2009! 

Careful, you might be called out as too negative for the rah rah, all is well, crowd.