2024 QB Watch

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"Knucklehead" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/status/1748055155394617844?s=20

Reminds me of when Deshaun Watson said I'm not going to be a Brown. Then they guaranteed him $250M and suddenly he was up for it. Bears will do whatever they can to get Williams on board.

And they should. He's the best prospect in this upcoming class. Chicago is going to end up trading Fields, one way or the other....this year or the next. Fields is only 24 years old, somebody is going to give him another significant shot to be the guy. And if the Bears didn't have the lock to get Williams, they might have given Fields another year for sure in a real way. You can't be the team to pass on Caleb Williams. And I can't imagine the Bears would trade him (Fields) to a NFCN rival like Minnesota. 

p.s. Carolina fucked up HARD. That's beyond debate.

I agree that the Bears are likely going to take Williams. But think about this. (And yes I'm aware the Bears aren't likely to trade Williams to the Vikings).

Someone recently figured the Bears would get the Vikings' 1st and 2nd rounder for the next two seasons in a trade back to 11. No clue how close that comp is, but I don't think it's far off. 

So you're the Bears and you kinda think Fields might have a future and you're worried about Williams "baggage." Do you take Williams and trade Fields for a day two pick? Or do you keep Fields and build around him a formidable team with two top 11 picks this year, two 1sts, two 2nds next year, and two 1sts and two 2nds the following year? 

Something to think about. 

Using the Trey Lance trade as a measuring stick, Chicago will get three ones plus in a trade for that No. 1 pick.

Its amazing how the 49'ers were able to pretty much shake that off and keep on truckin - all the way to an NFCCG and #1 seed in 24. y

The screwed the pooch on Lance and got lucky as Fck with Purdy. Who's asked to do nothing but drive the Ferrari on Sundays. 

@"FLVike" said: There is no way on earth I would trade even 1 additional first alone for Williams. We will get a good QB at 11.

@"Knucklehead" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"Knucklehead" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/status/1748055155394617844?s=20

Reminds me of when Deshaun Watson said I'm not going to be a Brown. Then they guaranteed him $250M and suddenly he was up for it. Bears will do whatever they can to get Williams on board.

And they should. He's the best prospect in this upcoming class. Chicago is going to end up trading Fields, one way or the other....this year or the next. Fields is only 24 years old, somebody is going to give him another significant shot to be the guy. And if the Bears didn't have the lock to get Williams, they might have given Fields another year for sure in a real way. You can't be the team to pass on Caleb Williams. And I can't imagine the Bears would trade him (Fields) to a NFCN rival like Minnesota. 

p.s. Carolina fucked up HARD. That's beyond debate.

I agree that the Bears are likely going to take Williams. But think about this. (And yes I'm aware the Bears aren't likely to trade Williams to the Vikings).

Someone recently figured the Bears would get the Vikings' 1st and 2nd rounder for the next two seasons in a trade back to 11. No clue how close that comp is, but I don't think it's far off. 

So you're the Bears and you kinda think Fields might have a future and you're worried about Williams "baggage." Do you take Williams and trade Fields for a day two pick? Or do you keep Fields and build around him a formidable team with two top 11 picks this year, two 1sts, two 2nds next year, and two 1sts and two 2nds the following year? 

Something to think about. 

Using the Trey Lance trade as a measuring stick, Chicago will get three ones plus in a trade for that No. 1 pick.

Its amazing how the 49'ers were able to pretty much shake that off and keep on truckin - all the way to an NFCCG and #1 seed in 24. y

The screwed the pooch on Lance and got lucky as Fck with Purdy. Who's asked to do nothing but drive the Ferrari on Sundays. 

SF built up their roster thru smart drafting (Lance being the exception) & FA acquisitions. That allowed them to insert a game manager QB like Purdy & still win.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Knucklehead" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"Knucklehead" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/status/1748055155394617844?s=20

Reminds me of when Deshaun Watson said I'm not going to be a Brown. Then they guaranteed him $250M and suddenly he was up for it. Bears will do whatever they can to get Williams on board.

And they should. He's the best prospect in this upcoming class. Chicago is going to end up trading Fields, one way or the other....this year or the next. Fields is only 24 years old, somebody is going to give him another significant shot to be the guy. And if the Bears didn't have the lock to get Williams, they might have given Fields another year for sure in a real way. You can't be the team to pass on Caleb Williams. And I can't imagine the Bears would trade him (Fields) to a NFCN rival like Minnesota. 

p.s. Carolina fucked up HARD. That's beyond debate.

I agree that the Bears are likely going to take Williams. But think about this. (And yes I'm aware the Bears aren't likely to trade Williams to the Vikings).

Someone recently figured the Bears would get the Vikings' 1st and 2nd rounder for the next two seasons in a trade back to 11. No clue how close that comp is, but I don't think it's far off. 

So you're the Bears and you kinda think Fields might have a future and you're worried about Williams "baggage." Do you take Williams and trade Fields for a day two pick? Or do you keep Fields and build around him a formidable team with two top 11 picks this year, two 1sts, two 2nds next year, and two 1sts and two 2nds the following year? 

Something to think about. 

Using the Trey Lance trade as a measuring stick, Chicago will get three ones plus in a trade for that No. 1 pick.

Its amazing how the 49'ers were able to pretty much shake that off and keep on truckin - all the way to an NFCCG and #1 seed in 24. y

The screwed the pooch on Lance and got lucky as Fck with Purdy. Who's asked to do nothing but drive the Ferrari on Sundays. 

SF built up their roster thru smart drafting (Lance being the exception) & FA acquisitions. That allowed them to insert a game manager QB like Purdy & still win.

It's because draft picks are overrated. 49ers have had their fair share of busts to go along with Lance. Solomon Thomas, Reuben Foster, Javon Kinlaw, all recent 1st rounders and all massive busts. 

Just like it took the NFL a hundred years to realize deferring the coin toss was the better decision, it might take another hundred to realize just how overrated draft picks are. 

@"pattersaur" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: Caleb Williams has officially declared. 

Purely pie in the sky hypothetical that won’t in a million years happen but I wonder what Chicago’s price would be for Number 1?

2024 #11, #42
2025 First, 2025 Second
Ivan Pace Jr

It’d be insane for the Vikings to offer that but even if we did, would Chicago accept it? This is why trades are so hard in the NFL. 

@"Knucklehead" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Knucklehead" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"Knucklehead" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/status/1748055155394617844?s=20

Reminds me of when Deshaun Watson said I'm not going to be a Brown. Then they guaranteed him $250M and suddenly he was up for it. Bears will do whatever they can to get Williams on board.

And they should. He's the best prospect in this upcoming class. Chicago is going to end up trading Fields, one way or the other....this year or the next. Fields is only 24 years old, somebody is going to give him another significant shot to be the guy. And if the Bears didn't have the lock to get Williams, they might have given Fields another year for sure in a real way. You can't be the team to pass on Caleb Williams. And I can't imagine the Bears would trade him (Fields) to a NFCN rival like Minnesota. 

p.s. Carolina fucked up HARD. That's beyond debate.

I agree that the Bears are likely going to take Williams. But think about this. (And yes I'm aware the Bears aren't likely to trade Williams to the Vikings).

Someone recently figured the Bears would get the Vikings' 1st and 2nd rounder for the next two seasons in a trade back to 11. No clue how close that comp is, but I don't think it's far off. 

So you're the Bears and you kinda think Fields might have a future and you're worried about Williams "baggage." Do you take Williams and trade Fields for a day two pick? Or do you keep Fields and build around him a formidable team with two top 11 picks this year, two 1sts, two 2nds next year, and two 1sts and two 2nds the following year? 

Something to think about. 

Using the Trey Lance trade as a measuring stick, Chicago will get three ones plus in a trade for that No. 1 pick.

Its amazing how the 49'ers were able to pretty much shake that off and keep on truckin - all the way to an NFCCG and #1 seed in 24. y

The screwed the pooch on Lance and got lucky as Fck with Purdy. Who's asked to do nothing but drive the Ferrari on Sundays. 

SF built up their roster thru smart drafting (Lance being the exception) & FA acquisitions. That allowed them to insert a game manager QB like Purdy & still win.

It's because draft picks are overrated. 49ers have had their fair share of busts to go along with Lance. Solomon Thomas, Reuben Foster, Javon Kinlaw, all recent 1st rounders and all massive busts. 

Just like it took the NFL a hundred years to realize deferring the coin toss was the better decision, it might take another hundred to realize just how overrated draft picks are. 

In a post about Purdy who was a 7th round pick, you're stating that draft picks are overrated? ;)

Stay at 11, turn off your phone, do not trade down, and take Penix if he's there.

@"FLVike" said: Stay at 11, turn off your phone, do not trade down, and take Penix if he's there.

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"FLVike" said: Stay at 11, turn off your phone, do not trade down, and take Penix if he's there.

To what, sit on the bench for 2 years and then get hurt every season thereafter?

@"FLVike" said:

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"FLVike" said: Stay at 11, turn off your phone, do not trade down, and take Penix if he's there.

To what, sit on the bench for 2 years and then get hurt every season thereafter?

Any QB can get hurt on any play, even your boy got hurt without being touched. We need someone that is not afraid to chuck it up to JJ and we don't have it now so Penix is a good candidate.

I think with the 35 million saved from Cousins we will be active in FA and get oline good enough to give a rookie ample time to chuck it downfield.

@"FLVike" said: I think with the 35 million saved from Cousins we will be active in FA and get oline good enough to give a rookie ample time to chuck it downfield.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"FLVike" said: I think with the 35 million saved from Cousins we will be active in FA and get oline good enough to give a rookie ample time to chuck it downfield.

I'll have what he's smoking.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"FLVike" said: I think with the 35 million saved from Cousins we will be active in FA and get oline good enough to give a rookie ample time to chuck it downfield.

I'll have what he's smoking.

Hes right,  with the cap savings from Cousins over the next 2 years they could really add a lot of talent to the roster,  but I doubt you find enough available talent in 1 year in FA to create an OL that is among the tops in the league and would make a rookie QB comfortable.  To many moving pieces for that to happen.

@"dadevike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"FLVike" said: I think with the 35 million saved from Cousins we will be active in FA and get oline good enough to give a rookie ample time to chuck it downfield.

I'll have what he's smoking.

Hes right,  with the cap savings from Cousins over the next 2 years they could really add a lot of talent to the roster,  but I doubt you find enough available talent in 1 year in FA to create an OL that is among the tops in the league and would make a rookie QB comfortable.  To many moving pieces for that to happen.

Not in 2024. If Cousins is not extended by March 13, $28.5M will hit the Vikings' salary cap in '24 in dead money. Cousins' cap number likely comes down if he is extended. Of course, the $28.5M is a one-time hit in 2024 and we would be completely done with Cousins after that, if he is not extended. 

I'm going to say this just one time. And you already know what I would do. If Cousins really wants to stay here and if he really wants a chance to go to the Superbowl then he would be content with being extremely overpaid the last 6 years and tell management that he will play the next two years for 5 million a season so that they can build a better team with a chance to go to the Superbowl.

@"FLVike" said: I'm going to say this just one time. And you already know what I would do. If Cousins really wants to stay here and if he really wants a chance to go to the Superbowl then he would be content with being extremely overpaid the last 6 years and tell management that he will play the next two years for 5 million a season so that they can build a better team with a chance to go to the Superbowl.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"dadevike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"FLVike" said: I think with the 35 million saved from Cousins we will be active in FA and get oline good enough to give a rookie ample time to chuck it downfield.

I'll have what he's smoking.

Hes right,  with the cap savings from Cousins over the next 2 years they could really add a lot of talent to the roster,  but I doubt you find enough available talent in 1 year in FA to create an OL that is among the tops in the league and would make a rookie QB comfortable.  To many moving pieces for that to happen.

Not in 2024. If Cousins is not extended by March 13, $28.5M will hit the Vikings' salary cap in '24 in dead money. Cousins' cap number likely comes down if he is extended. Of course, the $28.5M is a one-time hit in 2024 and we would be completely done with Cousins after that, if he is not extended. 

Yes,  but you arent going to get any quality free agents to sign 1 year deals so any added players deals would be able to be configured to use the cap savings from Kirk in year 2.  And no,  his cap number of 28.5 is not likely to come down with an extension unless the fuck around and push that money out past his playing time,  which how we got into this stupid situation in the first place.  Dumb as hell that they let it get to this point.  

@"dadevike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"dadevike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"FLVike" said: I think with the 35 million saved from Cousins we will be active in FA and get oline good enough to give a rookie ample time to chuck it downfield.

I'll have what he's smoking.

Hes right,  with the cap savings from Cousins over the next 2 years they could really add a lot of talent to the roster,  but I doubt you find enough available talent in 1 year in FA to create an OL that is among the tops in the league and would make a rookie QB comfortable.  To many moving pieces for that to happen.

Not in 2024. If Cousins is not extended by March 13, $28.5M will hit the Vikings' salary cap in '24 in dead money. Cousins' cap number likely comes down if he is extended. Of course, the $28.5M is a one-time hit in 2024 and we would be completely done with Cousins after that, if he is not extended. 

Yes,  but you arent going to get any quality free agents to sign 1 year deals so any added players deals would be able to be configured to use the cap savings from Kirk in year 2.  And no,  his cap number of 28.5 is not likely to come down with an extension unless the fuck around and push that money out past his playing time,  which how we got into this stupid situation in the first place.  Dumb as hell that they let it get to this point.  

That's not how the cap works. You can push money paid this year to have a bigger cap hit next year where you have a lot more cap space. Everyone does it all the time. So yes, you can sign relevant FAs for more than one year with our current cap situation. And I strongly suspect that if we re-sign KC, his cap number for 2024 will go down. You can call it fuck around if you like but all 32 teams are fucking around. The cap situation now is actually pretty good. Your criticism is better directed at years past.

@"supafreak84" said:

@"FLVike" said: I'm going to say this just one time. And you already know what I would do. If Cousins really wants to stay here and if he really wants a chance to go to the Superbowl then he would be content with being extremely overpaid the last 6 years and tell management that he will play the next two years for 5 million a season so that they can build a better team with a chance to go to the Superbowl.

It's the same thing we heard last offseason when they weren't able to come to an agreement on an extension, "Kirk is happy in Minnesota, wants to stay in Minnesota, and will take less money to stay in Minnesota." So we'll see if that's reality this offseason because it sure wasn't last offseason. I'll believe it when I see it