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We have lots of players scheduled to be FA after this year. JJ next contract seems like it would be cheaper to do now then in the future.

Several of these dudes are replaceable but not all..

What analytics is going on here?

FA after this year
Kirk 
Hock
Davenport
Hunter
Hicks 
Reagor 
Blacklock 
Cleveland 
Reed 
Wonnum
Lynch
Dye
Osborn 
Udoh
Joseph
Metellus
Then dozen or more players of guys just trying to make the team

#1 · Aug 15, 8:46 AM
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We have lots of money to spend, especially if they roll out a rookie at QB, but not many picks. Quite a bit of the cheese will need to go to the front 7 with Hunter, Davenport, and Hicks all being FAs. Hicks will be 32 next year so I doubt he's in the plans. The other two I could see return if they have good years. If Pace and Asamoah are for real that will help tremendously but the DL will still need investment.

As for the offense, re-sign Hock of course but RG and LG will need some love too unless Ingram somehow takes a big leap forward. If KJ and Addison both have good years I bet KJO will get paid nicely somewhere else.

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I don’t think we can really say what his strategy is, as we
haven’t really seen him build anything or commit to guys to determine what he
likes.  He’s pretty much just been
eliminating players and bringing in 1 year bandaids to maintain the competitive
rebuild.  I think the only thing that
really stands out is his willingness to keep bringing in failed high draft
picks and hoping that we can get more out of them.
Like if I had to guess for a strategy, it would
be not committing to guys long term, always be rotating guys in and out so that
you’re buying low and hoping to get more out of them.

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I'm wondering if they are clearing all this cap room to give themselves the option next year to take on a large quarterback contract vis trade if they aren't positioned to take someone in the draft. I know a lot of people would not be in favor of this but Kyler Murray is a name I've heard as a potential target, or dare I say it....Aaron Rodgers. I think it's all about options at this point with the focus being the quarterback position..

But yeah we have holes to fill and positions that need upgrading. This year is going to be a lot about finding out which players from our last two drafts can step up and be impact players. 

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@"medaille" said: I don’t think we can really say what his strategy is, as we haven’t really seen him build anything or commit to guys to determine what he likes.  He’s pretty much just been eliminating players and bringing in 1 year bandaids to maintain the competitive rebuild.  


This. The guy hasn't had any room to breath. Let's give the guy some time. I've never seen a fanbase more dubious of someone after a 13 win season, lol. 

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@"StickyBun" said:
@"medaille" said: I don’t think we can really say what his strategy is, as we haven’t really seen him build anything or commit to guys to determine what he likes.  He’s pretty much just been eliminating players and bringing in 1 year bandaids to maintain the competitive rebuild.  


This. The guy hasn't had any room to breath. Let's give the guy some time. I've never seen a fanbase more dubious of someone after a 13 win season, lol. 


It's because he was a dubious hire to begin with and the 13 wins were won on the backs of Spielman and Zimmers players. Jury's still out on what he can really do but as a lifelong fan who's never seen a Super Bowl, I hope we don't waste another 4, 5, 6 years before finding out he really isn't the smartest guy in the room. This year will be telling..

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@"supafreak84" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"medaille" said: I don’t think we can really say what his strategy is, as we haven’t really seen him build anything or commit to guys to determine what he likes.  He’s pretty much just been eliminating players and bringing in 1 year bandaids to maintain the competitive rebuild.  


This. The guy hasn't had any room to breath. Let's give the guy some time. I've never seen a fanbase more dubious of someone after a 13 win season, lol. 


It's because he was a dubious hire to begin with and the 13 wins were won on the backs of Spielman and Zimmers players. Jury's still out on what he can really do but as a lifelong fan who's never seen a Super Bowl, I hope we don't waste another 4, 5, 6 years before finding out he really isn't the smartest guy in the room. This year will be telling..


I think almost by definition, this year won’t be telling,
because this is our sacrifice year where we are building our cap future.

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@"medaille" said:
@"supafreak84" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"medaille" said: I don’t think we can really say what his strategy is, as we haven’t really seen him build anything or commit to guys to determine what he likes.  He’s pretty much just been eliminating players and bringing in 1 year bandaids to maintain the competitive rebuild.  


This. The guy hasn't had any room to breath. Let's give the guy some time. I've never seen a fanbase more dubious of someone after a 13 win season, lol. 


It's because he was a dubious hire to begin with and the 13 wins were won on the backs of Spielman and Zimmers players. Jury's still out on what he can really do but as a lifelong fan who's never seen a Super Bowl, I hope we don't waste another 4, 5, 6 years before finding out he really isn't the smartest guy in the room. This year will be telling..


I think almost by definition, this year won’t be telling,
because this is our sacrifice year where we are building our cap future.



It will be telling from the perspective of how many "Kwesi guys" are going to turn out to be players for us? Right now 2022 isn't looking good. We'll see on 2023. He's had two drafts under his belt. What's there to show for it at the end of this season 

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@"supafreak84" said: I'm wondering if they are clearing all this cap room to give themselves the option next year to take on a large quarterback contract vis trade if they aren't positioned to take someone in the draft. I know a lot of people would not be in favor of this but Kyler Murray is a name I've heard as a potential target, or dare I say it....Aaron Rodgers. I think it's all about options at this point with the focus being the quarterback position..

But yeah we have holes to fill and positions that need upgrading. This year is going to be a lot about finding out which players from our last two drafts can step up and be impact players. 


If this team is so scared or unwilling to draft a QB that they trade for a 40-year old Aaron Rodgers I might actually hurl. I do not see that happening. It's debatable whether or not the guy we have now is better than current form Rodgers.

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I think the issue when you hire a guy who had absolutely no GM experience before this position is that he is going to be figuring it out as he goes along.  I think this franchise deserved better and there was better available.  Now we have to hope he figures it out. 

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@"supafreak84" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"medaille" said: I don’t think we can really say what his strategy is, as we haven’t really seen him build anything or commit to guys to determine what he likes.  He’s pretty much just been eliminating players and bringing in 1 year bandaids to maintain the competitive rebuild.  


This. The guy hasn't had any room to breath. Let's give the guy some time. I've never seen a fanbase more dubious of someone after a 13 win season, lol. 


It's because he was a dubious hire to begin with and the 13 wins were won on the backs of Spielman and Zimmers players. Jury's still out on what he can really do but as a lifelong fan who's never seen a Super Bowl, I hope we don't waste another 4, 5, 6 years before finding out he really isn't the smartest guy in the room. This year will be telling..

You're fond of saying this but did you really expect Kwesi to replace all 22 starters in his first year? Especially taking into account the cap situation that he inherited from Rick. In the history of NFL regime changes, name me the GM who replaced all 22 starters in his first year.

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@"Knucklehead" said:
@"supafreak84" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"medaille" said: I don’t think we can really say what his strategy is, as we haven’t really seen him build anything or commit to guys to determine what he likes.  He’s pretty much just been eliminating players and bringing in 1 year bandaids to maintain the competitive rebuild.  


This. The guy hasn't had any room to breath. Let's give the guy some time. I've never seen a fanbase more dubious of someone after a 13 win season, lol. 


It's because he was a dubious hire to begin with and the 13 wins were won on the backs of Spielman and Zimmers players. Jury's still out on what he can really do but as a lifelong fan who's never seen a Super Bowl, I hope we don't waste another 4, 5, 6 years before finding out he really isn't the smartest guy in the room. This year will be telling..

You're fond of saying this but did you really expect Kwesi to replace all 22 starters in his first year? Especially taking into account the cap situation that he inherited from Rick. In the history of NFL regime changes, name me the GM who replaced all 22 starters in his first year.



There wasn't a need to replace 22 starters. The talent was there, as evidenced by us winning 13 games last season and turning all those one score losses into a record number of one score wins. With that said he was a dubious hire coming in based on all the factors discussed on this board ad nauseum so you really wanted to see him come out the gate in his first draft and make an impact on a team that needed a lot of help defensively. Instead, we got assanine trade downs with division rivals, reaches that haven't panned out, and flyers on guts with a history of injury who have been...wait for it.. injured!!! I really hope the hype train around Addison thus far is legit because Kwesi needs it. 

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@"JR44" said: I think the issue when you hire a guy who had absolutely no GM experience before this position is that he is going to be figuring it out as he goes along.  I think this franchise deserved better and there was better available.  Now we have to hope he figures it out. 
So based on your thinking we should have hired a GM with experience.  But wouldn't it be that if a GM with experience was available most likely he would have been fired by his previous team?  Which would mean he sucked at his previous GM position, but hey lets hire the guy anyway because he has experience.

Another dump on Kwesi post.  Everybody on this board knows how each poster feels about him and seem to take every chance they get to let us all know he sucks.

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@"supafreak84" said:
@"Knucklehead" said:
@"supafreak84" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"medaille" said: I don’t think we can really say what his strategy is, as we haven’t really seen him build anything or commit to guys to determine what he likes.  He’s pretty much just been eliminating players and bringing in 1 year bandaids to maintain the competitive rebuild.  


This. The guy hasn't had any room to breath. Let's give the guy some time. I've never seen a fanbase more dubious of someone after a 13 win season, lol. 


It's because he was a dubious hire to begin with and the 13 wins were won on the backs of Spielman and Zimmers players. Jury's still out on what he can really do but as a lifelong fan who's never seen a Super Bowl, I hope we don't waste another 4, 5, 6 years before finding out he really isn't the smartest guy in the room. This year will be telling..

You're fond of saying this but did you really expect Kwesi to replace all 22 starters in his first year? Especially taking into account the cap situation that he inherited from Rick. In the history of NFL regime changes, name me the GM who replaced all 22 starters in his first year.



There wasn't a need to replace 22 starters. The talent was there, as evidenced by us winning 13 games last season and turning all those one score losses into a record number of one score wins. With that said he was a dubious hire coming in based on all the factors discussed on this board ad nauseum so you really wanted to see him come out the gate in his first draft and make an impact on a team that needed a lot of help defensively. Instead, we got assanine trade downs with division rivals, reaches that haven't panned out, and flyers on guts with a history of injury who have been...wait for it.. injured!!! I really hope the hype train around Addison thus far is legit because Kwesi needs it. 


So you are saying he succeeded in the most important job, he hired a good coach that got more out of the players than the previous regime?

Yeah he hasn't knocked it out of the park at drafting.  But some of that is likely that the coaching staff is new to making the drafting decisions as well. 

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@"medaille" said:
@"supafreak84" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"medaille" said: I don’t think we can really say what his strategy is, as we haven’t really seen him build anything or commit to guys to determine what he likes.  He’s pretty much just been eliminating players and bringing in 1 year bandaids to maintain the competitive rebuild.  


This. The guy hasn't had any room to breath. Let's give the guy some time. I've never seen a fanbase more dubious of someone after a 13 win season, lol. 


It's because he was a dubious hire to begin with and the 13 wins were won on the backs of Spielman and Zimmers players. Jury's still out on what he can really do but as a lifelong fan who's never seen a Super Bowl, I hope we don't waste another 4, 5, 6 years before finding out he really isn't the smartest guy in the room. This year will be telling..


I think almost by definition, this year won’t be telling,
because this is our sacrifice year where we are building our cap future.



Yep.

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@"greediron" said:
@"supafreak84" said:
@"Knucklehead" said:
@"supafreak84" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"medaille" said: I don’t think we can really say what his strategy is, as we haven’t really seen him build anything or commit to guys to determine what he likes.  He’s pretty much just been eliminating players and bringing in 1 year bandaids to maintain the competitive rebuild.  


This. The guy hasn't had any room to breath. Let's give the guy some time. I've never seen a fanbase more dubious of someone after a 13 win season, lol. 


It's because he was a dubious hire to begin with and the 13 wins were won on the backs of Spielman and Zimmers players. Jury's still out on what he can really do but as a lifelong fan who's never seen a Super Bowl, I hope we don't waste another 4, 5, 6 years before finding out he really isn't the smartest guy in the room. This year will be telling..

You're fond of saying this but did you really expect Kwesi to replace all 22 starters in his first year? Especially taking into account the cap situation that he inherited from Rick. In the history of NFL regime changes, name me the GM who replaced all 22 starters in his first year.



There wasn't a need to replace 22 starters. The talent was there, as evidenced by us winning 13 games last season and turning all those one score losses into a record number of one score wins. With that said he was a dubious hire coming in based on all the factors discussed on this board ad nauseum so you really wanted to see him come out the gate in his first draft and make an impact on a team that needed a lot of help defensively. Instead, we got assanine trade downs with division rivals, reaches that haven't panned out, and flyers on guts with a history of injury who have been...wait for it.. injured!!! I really hope the hype train around Addison thus far is legit because Kwesi needs it. 


So you are saying he succeeded in the most important job, he hired a good coach that got more out of the players than the previous regime?

Yeah he hasn't knocked it out of the park at drafting.  But some of that is likely that the coaching staff is new to making the drafting decisions as well. 



His most important job is providing the roster with enough talent to get us to the big game. So far his actual roster contributions have been minimal. You can give him credit for hiring KOC, but I'll hold off on anointing KOC anything after his hiring of "Easy" Ed Donatell to oversee the transition on defense. That single hiring was the LARGEST reason for our one and done playoff run. So yeah give him credit, but also be objective when it comes to the screw ups. 

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Perhaps his strategy is to make the opposing GM's think that he doesn't have a clue then he can attack from another angle that we haven't seen.

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@"FLVike" said: Perhaps his strategy is to make the opposing GM's think that he doesn't have a clue then he can attack from another angle that we haven't seen.
I think he enjoys trolling knee-jerk, overreactive fans that have nothing better to do than bitch in August before one game has been played. I give him high marks.
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@"StickyBun" said:
@"FLVike" said: Perhaps his strategy is to make the opposing GM's think that he doesn't have a clue then he can attack from another angle that we haven't seen.
I think he enjoys trolling knee-jerk, overreactive fans that have nothing better to do than bitch in August before one game has been played. I give him high marks.



Fans? Overreact? 

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@"Greylock" said:
@"JR44" said: I think the issue when you hire a guy who had absolutely no GM experience before this position is that he is going to be figuring it out as he goes along.  I think this franchise deserved better and there was better available.  Now we have to hope he figures it out. 
So based on your thinking we should have hired a GM with experience.  But wouldn't it be that if a GM with experience was available most likely he would have been fired by his previous team?  Which would mean he sucked at his previous GM position, but hey lets hire the guy anyway because he has experience.

Another dump on Kwesi post.  Everybody on this board knows how each poster feels about him and seem to take every chance they get to let us all know he sucks.



So the Steelers never should have hired Mike Tomlin, because if he was any good we would have made him our HC.  And we never should have hired O'Connell for the same reason.  And also based on that absurd "logic" we should never sign a free agent, because if they were really any good their current team would have found a way to have kept him.  And we should never have signed a guy like Pace cause if he was really any good each of the other 31 teams who passed on him multiple times would have taken him?  

The truth is there were better candidates, there were many former and assistant GMs who were available who were much more qualified.  But apparently no one is allowed to express their own opinion on a message board unless it is in line with the very vocal majority here, noted.  

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He seems to be a bargain shopper and is getting the Vikings out of cap hell while trying to remain competitive.
He seems to want to see how things shake out a bit before locking down the future core of the team. Hard to be patient as a fan, but I'm good with that.
The tight cap he inherited may have forced him to be a bargain hunter in free agency, but I'm not sure drafting for value is the best strategy. 
My thought is he will be drafting the QBOTF next year and will be acquiring draft capitol to do so. I also expect him to start signing some of those listed above soon but several will move on. The team is going to get younger.
Truth is, nobody knows what he is doing and it's all speculation. Seems a bit premature to judge a man who's own critics say, hasn't played with his own players yet. It's about wins and losses. I'll wait and see how that goes.

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