Sound of Freedom

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Bullazin" said: https://docs.house.gov/meetings/HA/HA08/20220622/114910/HHRG-117-HA08-Wstate-RothschildM-20220622.pdf

Rothschilds testimony before US House in 2022

Good read. Thanks for posting that. There is probably nothing that fascinates me more than conspiracy theories and those who believe them. It is equally puzzling and infuriating. 

If you get a chance, listen to Mel Gibson or especially Caviezel talk about their conspiracy theories. Its out there in a way that makes a sane person question their mental stability. Mel Gibson's Dad was a real piece of work.

@"medaille" said: Its a weird take to be qanon this qanon that, and then never mention epstein or maxwell. 

A conspiracy theory is a theory without much evidence and it leads people to fill in the gaps with their imagination.  The FBI sucked up a ton of evidence regarding epstein and the jons who were going to his island, and they hid it away from the public preventing us from knowing the information that is out there.

The government by hiding everything from the people creates conspiracy theorists.  If you are against conspiracy theories, you should be for transparency.

If these journalists wanted to, they could put a ton of pressure on politicians to be transparent, but instead they focus on labeling people as kookie, but we're all conspiracy theorists now, and not by choice, and that label only works on the dumb.

Kooks are gonna kook without education.  And they fire other fence sitters up. This discussion goes back to the removed thread and a good idea was found in Rothschilds testimony i posted- he basically said fighting kook theories will have to happen in the communities. 

I generally agree with you that people are innocent until
proven guilty and should be protected from having their name run through the
mud until justice can be completed and also investigations are likely to be
more successful if every step is not done in public.  That said, I think there’s plenty of evidence
of government misdoing being covered up until evidence is released to the
public making it plain as day to everyone that these people need to be held
accountable.  For example, regarding the
BLM movement.  For a long time, black
people have made accusations that their was a different standard of justice,
and that when a black person was killed by a cop, it would be swept under the
rug and justice would not be served.  I think
there’s a clear change that has happened recently as people have used cell
phones to record injustices committed against them by the cops and put it out
in the public record and it helps bring justice to those who deserve it.  One of the things that has also happened is
that many jurisdictions have started mandating the use of body cams.  There have been examples where the police
killed a person, and to prevent people from rioting, the police released the
body cam footage to the media, so that the public could see the full story for
themselves, and after seeing the context the public outrage was greatly
subsided.

Larry Nassar is back in the news again, after he’s been
stabbed again while in prison.  Nassar’s story
is interesting in that he was a team doctor for the US’s Olympic program and
used that position to molest female children for almost 2 decades, while the FBI
basically ignored the accusations brought to them by the gymnasts for years
allowing 70 more people to become victims. 
I would argue that the publicity brought to the case has gotten more
progress made then years of FBI investigation.

On a slightly different note, the government doesn’t religiously
follow this guideline of keeping things quiet to protect the accused/the
investigation.  How many time have you
heard someone in the media say, “An anonymous source in an intelligence agency has
confirmed that …”  They frequently leak secret
information if they believe it would be of benefit to them.  One very prominent example is regarding the
investigation of Donald Trump while he was in office.  The establishment Democrats, Comey, and the
left-leaning media heavily promoted a conspiracy theory to the public that
Donald Trump was colluding with Russia. 
Then proceeded to slander him for 2 years during the investigation.  After which, we find out that not only was
the conspiracy theory false, but that also it was a manufactured smear campaign
where the initial “evidence” was fabricated. 
While I think you could argue that perhaps Trump should have been spared
the horrible things the Democrats did to run his name through the mud (he
certainly didn’t need the help), I also think you could argue that the manufactured
public outrage, got an actual investigation to take place to bring the truth to
the public, rather than letting it linger as a conspiracy theory.

It's been what, 4-5 years since Epstein went to jail the
second time?  I’m sure that any day now,
we’ll start seeing the FBI complete their investigations and these high level
businessmen and politicians.  I think if
it was a big nothing burger they would have released the evidence to the public
to eliminate our misunderstandings.

As a weird aside, in the last couple years we’ve had two
different situations where the government has agreed to release data to the
public many, many, years after what most people would deem appropriate.  JFK was assassinated, for all practical terms,
a lifetime ago.  The government investigated
it, and made 10’s of thousands of documents too secret.  In the 90’s, the government made a law
stating that they would be release after something like 60 years after the
assassination date.  Biden and a judge
decided not to comply with that law and many of those documents still remain
secret.  Also, as part of the covid
vaccine trials, the government made agreements that the trial data showing the
safety and efficacy of the vaccines wouldn’t be released to the public for 75
years, and after much outrage they were forced to bring it down to something
like 5 years.  

Regardless, the way you fight conspiracy theories is by
increasing transparency and bringing more information to the public.  It’s an oxymoron to both try to be more
secretive and also be against the people that are trying to fill in the gaps
created by their secrecy.

Education, community pushback and government transparency?  Sounds like we do have solutions.  So good. 

As far as Trump/Russia goes, he had people around him like Flynn, Manafort and Guiliani that were all kooks as well as a back channel to Russia. Thats just the tip of the Iceburg as Trump, the leader of the free world propogates inciteful and dangerous lies that feeds kooks. 

No party or person is absolved here, i get that but we have to call out threats to democracy and peace, not fan the flames.  I dont agree with Policy i dont like, and no one should, but we have to figure out how to promote policy in a sane manner. 

Too many folk that can't wade through garrulous arguments based on specious logic, become anonymous experts on the internet fire-hose.  And once they find each other they create their own communities(echo chambers) educating themselves (agreeing), pushing back (banning opposing opinions), just simple conformation bias. 

@"Bullazin" said:

@"medaille" said: Its a weird take to be qanon this qanon that, and then never mention epstein or maxwell. 

A conspiracy theory is a theory without much evidence and it leads people to fill in the gaps with their imagination.  The FBI sucked up a ton of evidence regarding epstein and the jons who were going to his island, and they hid it away from the public preventing us from knowing the information that is out there.

The government by hiding everything from the people creates conspiracy theorists.  If you are against conspiracy theories, you should be for transparency.

If these journalists wanted to, they could put a ton of pressure on politicians to be transparent, but instead they focus on labeling people as kookie, but we're all conspiracy theorists now, and not by choice, and that label only works on the dumb.

Not an astute comparison if you ask me. As far as the FBI and other institutions hiding stuff, have you ever heard of the privacy act or the 4th amendment or the 3 ir 4 other amendments that imply privacy rights? You want law enforcement posting investigations updates on the federal register?  This is not serious. 

Kooks are gonna kook without education.  And they fire other fence sitters up. This discussion goes back to the removed thread and a good idea was found in Rothschilds testimony i posted- he basically said fighting kook theories will have to happen in the communities. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Bullazin" said:

@"medaille" said: Its a weird take to be qanon this qanon that, and then never mention epstein or maxwell. 

A conspiracy theory is a theory without much evidence and it leads people to fill in the gaps with their imagination.  The FBI sucked up a ton of evidence regarding epstein and the jons who were going to his island, and they hid it away from the public preventing us from knowing the information that is out there.

The government by hiding everything from the people creates conspiracy theorists.  If you are against conspiracy theories, you should be for transparency.

If these journalists wanted to, they could put a ton of pressure on politicians to be transparent, but instead they focus on labeling people as kookie, but we're all conspiracy theorists now, and not by choice, and that label only works on the dumb.

Not an astute comparison if you ask me. As far as the FBI and other institutions hiding stuff, have you ever heard of the privacy act or the 4th amendment or the 3 ir 4 other amendments that imply privacy rights? You want law enforcement posting investigations updates on the federal register?  This is not serious. 

Kooks are gonna kook without education.  And they fire other fence sitters up. This discussion goes back to the removed thread and a good idea was found in Rothschilds testimony i posted- he basically said fighting kook theories will have to happen in the communities. 

what thread was "removed"  I dont think we have ever deleted any threads on this site that I was aware of.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Bullazin" said:

@"medaille" said: Its a weird take to be qanon this qanon that, and then never mention epstein or maxwell. 

A conspiracy theory is a theory without much evidence and it leads people to fill in the gaps with their imagination.  The FBI sucked up a ton of evidence regarding epstein and the jons who were going to his island, and they hid it away from the public preventing us from knowing the information that is out there.

The government by hiding everything from the people creates conspiracy theorists.  If you are against conspiracy theories, you should be for transparency.

If these journalists wanted to, they could put a ton of pressure on politicians to be transparent, but instead they focus on labeling people as kookie, but we're all conspiracy theorists now, and not by choice, and that label only works on the dumb.

Not an astute comparison if you ask me. As far as the FBI and other institutions hiding stuff, have you ever heard of the privacy act or the 4th amendment or the 3 ir 4 other amendments that imply privacy rights? You want law enforcement posting investigations updates on the federal register?  This is not serious. 

Kooks are gonna kook without education.  And they fire other fence sitters up. This discussion goes back to the removed thread and a good idea was found in Rothschilds testimony i posted- he basically said fighting kook theories will have to happen in the communities. 

what thread was "removed"  I dont think we have ever deleted any threads on this site that I was aware of.

@"HappyViking" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Bullazin" said:

@"medaille" said: Its a weird take to be qanon this qanon that, and then never mention epstein or maxwell. 

A conspiracy theory is a theory without much evidence and it leads people to fill in the gaps with their imagination.  The FBI sucked up a ton of evidence regarding epstein and the jons who were going to his island, and they hid it away from the public preventing us from knowing the information that is out there.

The government by hiding everything from the people creates conspiracy theorists.  If you are against conspiracy theories, you should be for transparency.

If these journalists wanted to, they could put a ton of pressure on politicians to be transparent, but instead they focus on labeling people as kookie, but we're all conspiracy theorists now, and not by choice, and that label only works on the dumb.

Not an astute comparison if you ask me. As far as the FBI and other institutions hiding stuff, have you ever heard of the privacy act or the 4th amendment or the 3 ir 4 other amendments that imply privacy rights? You want law enforcement posting investigations updates on the federal register?  This is not serious. 

Kooks are gonna kook without education.  And they fire other fence sitters up. This discussion goes back to the removed thread and a good idea was found in Rothschilds testimony i posted- he basically said fighting kook theories will have to happen in the communities. 

what thread was "removed"  I dont think we have ever deleted any threads on this site that I was aware of.

Bull is probably talking about the one you moved and kicked me out of.  Is it your requirement for posters here to be as anti-woke as you, jimmy?  I guess I better be careful or you'll "shut me up again", right?

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"HappyViking" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Bullazin" said:

@"medaille" said: Its a weird take to be qanon this qanon that, and then never mention epstein or maxwell. 

A conspiracy theory is a theory without much evidence and it leads people to fill in the gaps with their imagination.  The FBI sucked up a ton of evidence regarding epstein and the jons who were going to his island, and they hid it away from the public preventing us from knowing the information that is out there.

The government by hiding everything from the people creates conspiracy theorists.  If you are against conspiracy theories, you should be for transparency.

If these journalists wanted to, they could put a ton of pressure on politicians to be transparent, but instead they focus on labeling people as kookie, but we're all conspiracy theorists now, and not by choice, and that label only works on the dumb.

Not an astute comparison if you ask me. As far as the FBI and other institutions hiding stuff, have you ever heard of the privacy act or the 4th amendment or the 3 ir 4 other amendments that imply privacy rights? You want law enforcement posting investigations updates on the federal register?  This is not serious. 

Kooks are gonna kook without education.  And they fire other fence sitters up. This discussion goes back to the removed thread and a good idea was found in Rothschilds testimony i posted- he basically said fighting kook theories will have to happen in the communities. 

what thread was "removed"  I dont think we have ever deleted any threads on this site that I was aware of.

Bull is probably talking about the one you moved and kicked me out of.  Is it your requirement for posters here to be as anti-woke as you, jimmy?  I guess I better be careful or you'll "shut me up again", right?

nope,  civility and avoiding topics the devolve into shit shows.  you werent removed for your position on anything,  you were removed because you werent able to remain civil in disagreement and that thread was headed for the ST board based on how it turned

What I love about this movie is Rotten Tomatoes.  The audiences all love it, but the critics find a way to ding it.  One critic thought that people that voted for Trump might like it and thus a negative review.  lol  

Sound of Freedom - Rotten Tomatoes

@"HappyViking" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"HappyViking" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Bullazin" said:

@"medaille" said: Its a weird take to be qanon this qanon that, and then never mention epstein or maxwell. 

A conspiracy theory is a theory without much evidence and it leads people to fill in the gaps with their imagination.  The FBI sucked up a ton of evidence regarding epstein and the jons who were going to his island, and they hid it away from the public preventing us from knowing the information that is out there.

The government by hiding everything from the people creates conspiracy theorists.  If you are against conspiracy theories, you should be for transparency.

If these journalists wanted to, they could put a ton of pressure on politicians to be transparent, but instead they focus on labeling people as kookie, but we're all conspiracy theorists now, and not by choice, and that label only works on the dumb.

Not an astute comparison if you ask me. As far as the FBI and other institutions hiding stuff, have you ever heard of the privacy act or the 4th amendment or the 3 ir 4 other amendments that imply privacy rights? You want law enforcement posting investigations updates on the federal register?  This is not serious. 

Kooks are gonna kook without education.  And they fire other fence sitters up. This discussion goes back to the removed thread and a good idea was found in Rothschilds testimony i posted- he basically said fighting kook theories will have to happen in the communities. 

what thread was "removed"  I dont think we have ever deleted any threads on this site that I was aware of.

Bull is probably talking about the one you moved and kicked me out of.  Is it your requirement for posters here to be as anti-woke as you, jimmy?  I guess I better be careful or you'll "shut me up again", right?

nope,  civility and avoiding topics the devolve into shit shows.  you werent removed for your position on anything,  you were removed because you werent able to remain civil in disagreement and that thread was headed for the ST board based on how it turned

 I've seen you give warnings to others before taking actions like that.  I didn't get any warnings, but just got immediately kicked out.  Then you go on and start voicing your anti-woke opinions knowing I can't respond.  Very convenient for you to get heard over those you silence.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"HappyViking" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"HappyViking" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Bullazin" said:

@"medaille" said: Its a weird take to be qanon this qanon that, and then never mention epstein or maxwell. 

A conspiracy theory is a theory without much evidence and it leads people to fill in the gaps with their imagination.  The FBI sucked up a ton of evidence regarding epstein and the jons who were going to his island, and they hid it away from the public preventing us from knowing the information that is out there.

The government by hiding everything from the people creates conspiracy theorists.  If you are against conspiracy theories, you should be for transparency.

If these journalists wanted to, they could put a ton of pressure on politicians to be transparent, but instead they focus on labeling people as kookie, but we're all conspiracy theorists now, and not by choice, and that label only works on the dumb.

Not an astute comparison if you ask me. As far as the FBI and other institutions hiding stuff, have you ever heard of the privacy act or the 4th amendment or the 3 ir 4 other amendments that imply privacy rights? You want law enforcement posting investigations updates on the federal register?  This is not serious. 

Kooks are gonna kook without education.  And they fire other fence sitters up. This discussion goes back to the removed thread and a good idea was found in Rothschilds testimony i posted- he basically said fighting kook theories will have to happen in the communities. 

what thread was "removed"  I dont think we have ever deleted any threads on this site that I was aware of.

Bull is probably talking about the one you moved and kicked me out of.  Is it your requirement for posters here to be as anti-woke as you, jimmy?  I guess I better be careful or you'll "shut me up again", right?

nope,  civility and avoiding topics the devolve into shit shows.  you werent removed for your position on anything,  you were removed because you werent able to remain civil in disagreement and that thread was headed for the ST board based on how it turned

 I've seen you give warnings to others before taking actions like that.  I didn't get any warnings, but just got immediately kicked out.  Then you go on and start voicing your anti-woke opinions knowing I can't respond.  Very convenient for you to get heard over those you silence.

start a new thread and say what you want to say,  but keep it civil.  I dont silence anybody,  you silenced yourself.  as far as warnings,  when I give them, all i get back is shit,  so if I am getting shit either way,  might as well just get it done right out of the gate.  there are plenty of posters that I disagree with that dont get removed from threads,  its because they dont violate board rules and are civil towards those they disagree with.

as far as I am concerned,  it was over as soon as I removed you from that thread.  Dont bring it into others threads please.  

@"HappyViking" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"HappyViking" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"HappyViking" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Bullazin" said:

@"medaille" said: Its a weird take to be qanon this qanon that, and then never mention epstein or maxwell. 

A conspiracy theory is a theory without much evidence and it leads people to fill in the gaps with their imagination.  The FBI sucked up a ton of evidence regarding epstein and the jons who were going to his island, and they hid it away from the public preventing us from knowing the information that is out there.

The government by hiding everything from the people creates conspiracy theorists.  If you are against conspiracy theories, you should be for transparency.

If these journalists wanted to, they could put a ton of pressure on politicians to be transparent, but instead they focus on labeling people as kookie, but we're all conspiracy theorists now, and not by choice, and that label only works on the dumb.

Not an astute comparison if you ask me. As far as the FBI and other institutions hiding stuff, have you ever heard of the privacy act or the 4th amendment or the 3 ir 4 other amendments that imply privacy rights? You want law enforcement posting investigations updates on the federal register?  This is not serious. 

Kooks are gonna kook without education.  And they fire other fence sitters up. This discussion goes back to the removed thread and a good idea was found in Rothschilds testimony i posted- he basically said fighting kook theories will have to happen in the communities. 

what thread was "removed"  I dont think we have ever deleted any threads on this site that I was aware of.

Bull is probably talking about the one you moved and kicked me out of.  Is it your requirement for posters here to be as anti-woke as you, jimmy?  I guess I better be careful or you'll "shut me up again", right?

nope,  civility and avoiding topics the devolve into shit shows.  you werent removed for your position on anything,  you were removed because you werent able to remain civil in disagreement and that thread was headed for the ST board based on how it turned

 I've seen you give warnings to others before taking actions like that.  I didn't get any warnings, but just got immediately kicked out.  Then you go on and start voicing your anti-woke opinions knowing I can't respond.  Very convenient for you to get heard over those you silence.

start a new thread and say what you want to say,  but keep it civil.  I dont silence anybody,  you silenced yourself.  as far as warnings,  when I give them, all i get back is shit,  so if I am getting shit either way,  might as well just get it done right out of the gate.  there are plenty of posters that I disagree with that dont get removed from threads,  its because they dont violate board rules and are civil towards those they disagree with.

as far as I am concerned,  it was over as soon as I removed you from that thread.  Dont bring it into others threads please.  

I don't think you tried to be funny, but that's hilarious.  I'm sure it didn't bother you at all when you removed me.  Why would it, lol?  I guess as long as you're Ok with your actions, nothing else matters.

Some information about Sound of Freedom (SoF) and a little of what's been discussed.

- 2015 - Script written- Oct 2017 - First posts by QAnon- 2018 - Film completed- 2018 - SoF Producers made a distribution deal with 20th Century Fox- 2019 - Walt Disney purchased 20th Century Fox, shelved the film
- 2019/2020 - QAnon information and following grows- March 2023 - Angel studios obtain distribution rights
- July 2023 - Angel studios releases the film

@"DeepFreeze05" said:

Some information about Sound of Freedom (SoF) and a little of what's been discussed.

- 2015 - Script written- Oct 2017 - First posts by QAnon- 2018 - Film completed- 2018 - SoF Producers made a distribution deal with 20th Century Fox- 2019 - Walt Disney purchased 20th Century Fox, shelved the film
- 2019/2020 - QAnon information and following grows- March 2023 - Angel studios obtain distribution rights
- July 2023 - Angel studios releases the film

The two (the movie and QAnon) are actually unrelated, but QAnon platforms have been heavily promoting it because of Caviezel.  It was clearly said was that the producers acknowledged that they took liberties with the true story.  "It's a Story based on Tim Ballard's Story" is not the same as saying "It's a true story".  So there are multiple different notions here, and I don't think that it's reasonable to tie them all together.  

To get back to the original topic, there is a 6 part podcast called "Hunting Warhead"  that follows an international investigation and bust of a global ring.  Listened to it a while back and got some perspective.
https://www.cbc.ca/listen/cbc-podcasts/387-hunting-warhead

I have a hard time with movies / situations where kids are at risk / targeted / placed in dangerous situations or threatened - yeah, it happens, I get that, but it doesnt mean I like it.

Maybe its the teacher in me, but i have ZERO TOLERANCE for those who victimize, abuse, neglect, harrass, or otherwise harm children, or put them in Harms way. There a special rung in Dantes Inferno for them. 

Saw the movie tonight and it was outright excellent.  The big studios that refused to pick this up, the silence of the hollywood elite, and the lack of action by our current administration should infuriate everyone.  Any resistance to this film is very telling about those that do.  Its pretty much a good versus evil thing.