Why?

@"supafreak84" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"AGRforever" said: I guess it matters what Flores is able to do with basically the same personal. Maybe there wasn’t much they could do with what they had?

Which still is back to KOC and KAM,  we had plenty of posters questioning the move to the 34 from the begining,, saying we didn't have the people to run the scheme.  Flores should be able to do more with what he's got,  but I still expect a bottom 1/3 defense,  they will bring more pressure,  and get some wins that way, but good OLs and good QBs will be able to handle it often enough and make them pay.

Well i hope not a bottom 1/3...

Flores' D's are known for different looks and a bunch of cover 0. I suspect we'll get much of the same

You know what they say about the blitz...

We are going to be facing to many quality veteran QBs that won't be a confused by much of what Flores will dial up,  it takes play makers and we are short of those on D.

Not sure how anyone can look at the list of QBs on our schedule and say we're facing too many veteran QBs. In fact, I would argue that this list is probably the least experienced list of QBs we've faced in many, many years. No Brady, no Rodgers, no Stafford no Cousins. 

Baker MayfieldJalen HurtsJustin HerbertBryce YoungPatrick MahomesJustin FieldsTrey Lance, Brock Purdy or Sam DarnoldJordan LoveDesmond RitterDerek CarrRussell WilsonJustin FieldsJimmy GJoe BurrowJared GoffJordan LoveJared Goff

Yah, there is some garbage there, but also some of the best of the best of the best. I would say the very best the league has to offer with the exception of the Bills QB. 

Just speaking in terms of experience, it's unusually light. Just removing a QB like Rodgers, a veteran QB you just don't blitz, makes a big difference. Then throwing in two games each against Love and Fields, along with Ritter, Mayfield, Young...this is not a series of QBs for whom Flores is going to have to stow his blitz packages very often...if at all. 

half the QBs  on that list have proven themselves able to beat quality defenses,  sure you get a couple knock arounds in Love, Fields, and a couple others,  but the rest have seen it and it wont be nearly as effective and the veteran QBs will be able to audible into other things.  IMO this is still a bottom 1/3 defense.

Justin Fields is going to be a problem this season. I think everybody poo poo'n on him based on last season  (where he was still an elite playmaker with zero help) is going to be unpleasantly surprised 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"AGRforever" said: I guess it matters what Flores is able to do with basically the same personal. Maybe there wasn’t much they could do with what they had?

Which still is back to KOC and KAM,  we had plenty of posters questioning the move to the 34 from the begining,, saying we didn't have the people to run the scheme.  Flores should be able to do more with what he's got,  but I still expect a bottom 1/3 defense,  they will bring more pressure,  and get some wins that way, but good OLs and good QBs will be able to handle it often enough and make them pay.

Well i hope not a bottom 1/3...

Flores' D's are known for different looks and a bunch of cover 0. I suspect we'll get much of the same

You know what they say about the blitz...

We are going to be facing to many quality veteran QBs that won't be a confused by much of what Flores will dial up,  it takes play makers and we are short of those on D.

Not sure how anyone can look at the list of QBs on our schedule and say we're facing too many veteran QBs. In fact, I would argue that this list is probably the least experienced list of QBs we've faced in many, many years. No Brady, no Rodgers, no Stafford no Cousins. 

Baker MayfieldJalen HurtsJustin HerbertBryce YoungPatrick MahomesJustin FieldsTrey Lance, Brock Purdy or Sam DarnoldJordan LoveDesmond RitterDerek CarrRussell WilsonJustin FieldsJimmy GJoe BurrowJared GoffJordan LoveJared Goff

Yah, there is some garbage there, but also some of the best of the best of the best. I would say the very best the league has to offer with the exception of the Bills QB. 

Just speaking in terms of experience, it's unusually light. Just removing a QB like Rodgers, a veteran QB you just don't blitz, makes a big difference. Then throwing in two games each against Love and Fields, along with Ritter, Mayfield, Young...this is not a series of QBs for whom Flores is going to have to stow his blitz packages very often...if at all. 

half the QBs  on that list have proven themselves able to beat quality defenses,  sure you get a couple knock arounds in Love, Fields, and a couple others,  but the rest have seen it and it wont be nearly as effective and the veteran QBs will be able to audible into other things.  IMO this is still a bottom 1/3 defense.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"AGRforever" said: I guess it matters what Flores is able to do with basically the same personal. Maybe there wasn’t much they could do with what they had?

Which still is back to KOC and KAM,  we had plenty of posters questioning the move to the 34 from the begining,, saying we didn't have the people to run the scheme.  Flores should be able to do more with what he's got,  but I still expect a bottom 1/3 defense,  they will bring more pressure,  and get some wins that way, but good OLs and good QBs will be able to handle it often enough and make them pay.

Well i hope not a bottom 1/3...

Flores' D's are known for different looks and a bunch of cover 0. I suspect we'll get much of the same

You know what they say about the blitz...

We are going to be facing to many quality veteran QBs that won't be a confused by much of what Flores will dial up,  it takes play makers and we are short of those on D.

Not sure how anyone can look at the list of QBs on our schedule and say we're facing too many veteran QBs. In fact, I would argue that this list is probably the least experienced list of QBs we've faced in many, many years. No Brady, no Rodgers, no Stafford no Cousins. 

Baker MayfieldJalen HurtsJustin HerbertBryce YoungPatrick MahomesJustin FieldsTrey Lance, Brock Purdy or Sam DarnoldJordan LoveDesmond RitterDerek CarrRussell WilsonJustin FieldsJimmy GJoe BurrowJared GoffJordan LoveJared Goff

Yah, there is some garbage there, but also some of the best of the best of the best. I would say the very best the league has to offer with the exception of the Bills QB. 

Just speaking in terms of experience, it's unusually light. Just removing a QB like Rodgers, a veteran QB you just don't blitz, makes a big difference. Then throwing in two games each against Love and Fields, along with Ritter, Mayfield, Young...this is not a series of QBs for whom Flores is going to have to stow his blitz packages very often...if at all. 

half the QBs  on that list have proven themselves able to beat quality defenses,  sure you get a couple knock arounds in Love, Fields, and a couple others,  but the rest have seen it and it wont be nearly as effective and the veteran QBs will be able to audible into other things.  IMO this is still a bottom 1/3 defense.

After bottom tenth, I'll take bottom third. But this isn't about that. Nor is it about the quality of the QBs we face, just the level of experience. Justin Herbert is a good example. Maybe a top five QB. A better QB IMO than Aaron Rodgers is at this point. But you don't shelve your blitz packages with him the way you would with a Rodgers...or a Brady or a Romo or a Manning. 

I think the defense will be bottom 1/3 still as well. Just not enough incoming talent to offset losses but like MB just said Bottom 1/3 > Bottom 2. Progress is progress. Without much money to spend and with our earliest defensive pick being a third rounder who doesn’t project to start, we are going to be far from stout. The offense will have to once again do some heavy lifting. Kirk, JJ, Hock, even KJ, we know will deliver. I just hope Addison can give us some spark and Mattison is ready for primetime.

EDIT- Why KO didn’t can Ed? No idea. The point about it potentially discouraging future DC hires might have some merit. Also yeah, not having anyone else other than Pettine in the wings was another deterrant. Hard to believe things could’ve gotten any worse, but also difficult to picture they’d have gotten much better either. 

@"pattersaur" said: I think the defense will be bottom 1/3 still as well. Just not enough incoming talent to offset losses but like MB just said Bottom 1/3 > Bottom 2. Progress is progress. Without much money to spend and with our earliest defensive pick being a third rounder who doesn’t project to start, we are going to be far from stout. The offense will have to once again do some heavy lifting. Kirk, JJ, Hock, even KJ, we know will deliver. I just hope Addison can give us some spark and Mattison is ready for primetime. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"pattersaur" said: I think the defense will be bottom 1/3 still as well. Just not enough incoming talent to offset losses but like MB just said Bottom 1/3 > Bottom 2. Progress is progress. Without much money to spend and with our earliest defensive pick being a third rounder who doesn’t project to start, we are going to be far from stout. The offense will have to once again do some heavy lifting. Kirk, JJ, Hock, even KJ, we know will deliver. I just hope Addison can give us some spark and Mattison is ready for primetime. 

I think this teams only hope is to go for 45 every game.   go for first downs instead of field goals unless we have a 3 score lead in hand.

@"Kentis" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"pattersaur" said: I think the defense will be bottom 1/3 still as well. Just not enough incoming talent to offset losses but like MB just said Bottom 1/3 > Bottom 2. Progress is progress. Without much money to spend and with our earliest defensive pick being a third rounder who doesn’t project to start, we are going to be far from stout. The offense will have to once again do some heavy lifting. Kirk, JJ, Hock, even KJ, we know will deliver. I just hope Addison can give us some spark and Mattison is ready for primetime. 

I think this teams only hope is to go for 45 every game.   go for first downs instead of field goals unless we have a 3 score lead in hand.

& fuck kicking extra points…!!!  ;) :p  

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"AGRforever" said: I guess it matters what Flores is able to do with basically the same personal. Maybe there wasn’t much they could do with what they had?

Which still is back to KOC and KAM,  we had plenty of posters questioning the move to the 34 from the begining,, saying we didn't have the people to run the scheme.  Flores should be able to do more with what he's got,  but I still expect a bottom 1/3 defense,  they will bring more pressure,  and get some wins that way, but good OLs and good QBs will be able to handle it often enough and make them pay.

Well i hope not a bottom 1/3...

Flores' D's are known for different looks and a bunch of cover 0. I suspect we'll get much of the same

You know what they say about the blitz...

We are going to be facing to many quality veteran QBs that won't be a confused by much of what Flores will dial up,  it takes play makers and we are short of those on D.

Not sure how anyone can look at the list of QBs on our schedule and say we're facing too many veteran QBs. In fact, I would argue that this list is probably the least experienced list of QBs we've faced in many, many years. No Brady, no Rodgers, no Stafford no Cousins. 

Baker MayfieldJalen HurtsJustin HerbertBryce YoungPatrick MahomesJustin FieldsTrey Lance, Brock Purdy or Sam DarnoldJordan LoveDesmond RitterDerek CarrRussell WilsonJustin FieldsJimmy GJoe BurrowJared GoffJordan LoveJared Goff

Yah, there is some garbage there, but also some of the best of the best of the best. I would say the very best the league has to offer with the exception of the Bills QB. 

Just speaking in terms of experience, it's unusually light. Just removing a QB like Rodgers, a veteran QB you just don't blitz, makes a big difference. Then throwing in two games each against Love and Fields, along with Ritter, Mayfield, Young...this is not a series of QBs for whom Flores is going to have to stow his blitz packages very often...if at all. 

half the QBs  on that list have proven themselves able to beat quality defenses,  sure you get a couple knock arounds in Love, Fields, and a couple others,  but the rest have seen it and it wont be nearly as effective and the veteran QBs will be able to audible into other things.  IMO this is still a bottom 1/3 defense.

After bottom tenth, I'll take bottom third. But this isn't about that. Nor is it about the quality of the QBs we face, just the level of experience. Justin Herbert is a good example. Maybe a top five QB. A better QB IMO than Aaron Rodgers is at this point. But you don't shelve your blitz packages with him the way you would with a Rodgers...or a Brady or a Romo or a Manning. 

its not about whether to blitz or not to blitz,  its the frequency of that blitz.  

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"AGRforever" said: I guess it matters what Flores is able to do with basically the same personal. Maybe there wasn’t much they could do with what they had?

Which still is back to KOC and KAM,  we had plenty of posters questioning the move to the 34 from the begining,, saying we didn't have the people to run the scheme.  Flores should be able to do more with what he's got,  but I still expect a bottom 1/3 defense,  they will bring more pressure,  and get some wins that way, but good OLs and good QBs will be able to handle it often enough and make them pay.

Well i hope not a bottom 1/3...

Flores' D's are known for different looks and a bunch of cover 0. I suspect we'll get much of the same

You know what they say about the blitz...

We are going to be facing to many quality veteran QBs that won't be a confused by much of what Flores will dial up,  it takes play makers and we are short of those on D.

Not sure how anyone can look at the list of QBs on our schedule and say we're facing too many veteran QBs. In fact, I would argue that this list is probably the least experienced list of QBs we've faced in many, many years. No Brady, no Rodgers, no Stafford no Cousins. 

Baker MayfieldJalen HurtsJustin HerbertBryce YoungPatrick MahomesJustin FieldsTrey Lance, Brock Purdy or Sam DarnoldJordan LoveDesmond RitterDerek CarrRussell WilsonJustin FieldsJimmy GJoe BurrowJared GoffJordan LoveJared Goff

Yah, there is some garbage there, but also some of the best of the best of the best. I would say the very best the league has to offer with the exception of the Bills QB. 

Just speaking in terms of experience, it's unusually light. Just removing a QB like Rodgers, a veteran QB you just don't blitz, makes a big difference. Then throwing in two games each against Love and Fields, along with Ritter, Mayfield, Young...this is not a series of QBs for whom Flores is going to have to stow his blitz packages very often...if at all. 

half the QBs  on that list have proven themselves able to beat quality defenses,  sure you get a couple knock arounds in Love, Fields, and a couple others,  but the rest have seen it and it wont be nearly as effective and the veteran QBs will be able to audible into other things.  IMO this is still a bottom 1/3 defense.

After bottom tenth, I'll take bottom third. But this isn't about that. Nor is it about the quality of the QBs we face, just the level of experience. Justin Herbert is a good example. Maybe a top five QB. A better QB IMO than Aaron Rodgers is at this point. But you don't shelve your blitz packages with him the way you would with a Rodgers...or a Brady or a Romo or a Manning. 

its not about whether to blitz or not to blitz,  its the frequency of that blitz.  

@"pattersaur" said: I think the defense will be bottom 1/3 still as well. Just not enough incoming talent to offset losses but like MB just said Bottom 1/3 > Bottom 2. Progress is progress. Without much money to spend and with our earliest defensive pick being a third rounder who doesn’t project to start, we are going to be far from stout. 

My only issue with your post is saying that Blackmon is our only addition. Don't forget, to the defense we trotted out last season, we're adding Cine, Booth, and Evans as well...not to mention Flores. 

I don't mention Asamoah, Lowry, Davenport and Murphy because they're replacing quality players. Just as an aside, I'd say Murphy is an upgrade over Peterson, Davenport is a wash with Z, and Lowry a pretty significant downgrade from Tomlinson. Asamoah, hard to say. It would be pretty optimistic to think he'll be better than Kendricks. On the other hand, Kendricks was downright awful last year, so we'll see...

Biggest upgrade on D in my eyes is Flores...and an offense that can hopefully run the ball a little better. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"pattersaur" said: I think the defense will be bottom 1/3 still as well. Just not enough incoming talent to offset losses but like MB just said Bottom 1/3 > Bottom 2. Progress is progress. Without much money to spend and with our earliest defensive pick being a third rounder who doesn’t project to start, we are going to be far from stout. 

I agree that our defense will be far from stout. If the defense can finish somewhere between, say, 15 and 20, I would be ecstatic. That kind of improvement on defense with what should be a pretty good offense, and this team could do a little better. 

My only issue with your post is saying that Blackmon is our only addition. Don't forget, to the defense we trotted out last season, we're adding Cine, Booth, and Evans as well...not to mention Flores. 

I don't mention Asamoah, Lowry, Davenport and Murphy because they're replacing quality players. Just as an aside, I'd say Murphy is an upgrade over Peterson, Davenport is a wash with Z, and Lowry a pretty significant downgrade from Tomlinson. Asamoah, hard to say. It would be pretty optimistic to think he'll be better than Kendricks. On the other hand, Kendricks was downright awful last year, so we'll see...

Biggest upgrade on D in my eyes is Flores...and an offense that can hopefully run the ball a little better. 

@"greediron" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"pattersaur" said: I think the defense will be bottom 1/3 still as well. Just not enough incoming talent to offset losses but like MB just said Bottom 1/3 > Bottom 2. Progress is progress. Without much money to spend and with our earliest defensive pick being a third rounder who doesn’t project to start, we are going to be far from stout. 

I agree that our defense will be far from stout. If the defense can finish somewhere between, say, 15 and 20, I would be ecstatic. That kind of improvement on defense with what should be a pretty good offense, and this team could do a little better. 

My only issue with your post is saying that Blackmon is our only addition. Don't forget, to the defense we trotted out last season, we're adding Cine, Booth, and Evans as well...not to mention Flores. 

I don't mention Asamoah, Lowry, Davenport and Murphy because they're replacing quality players. Just as an aside, I'd say Murphy is an upgrade over Peterson, Davenport is a wash with Z, and Lowry a pretty significant downgrade from Tomlinson. Asamoah, hard to say. It would be pretty optimistic to think he'll be better than Kendricks. On the other hand, Kendricks was downright awful last year, so we'll see...

Biggest upgrade on D in my eyes is Flores...and an offense that can hopefully run the ball a little better. 

Well if Flores has the dbs in the same zip code as the WR, it will be a marked improvement.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"pattersaur" said: I think the defense will be bottom 1/3 still as well. Just not enough incoming talent to offset losses but like MB just said Bottom 1/3 > Bottom 2. Progress is progress. Without much money to spend and with our earliest defensive pick being a third rounder who doesn’t project to start, we are going to be far from stout. 

I agree that our defense will be far from stout. If the defense can finish somewhere between, say, 15 and 20, I would be ecstatic. That kind of improvement on defense with what should be a pretty good offense, and this team could do a little better. 

My only issue with your post is saying that Blackmon is our only addition. Don't forget, to the defense we trotted out last season, we're adding Cine, Booth, and Evans as well...not to mention Flores. 

I don't mention Asamoah, Lowry, Davenport and Murphy because they're replacing quality players. Just as an aside, I'd say Murphy is an upgrade over Peterson, Davenport is a wash with Z, and Lowry a pretty significant downgrade from Tomlinson. Asamoah, hard to say. It would be pretty optimistic to think he'll be better than Kendricks. On the other hand, Kendricks was downright awful last year, so we'll see...

Biggest upgrade on D in my eyes is Flores...and an offense that can hopefully run the ball a little better. 

Well if Flores has the dbs in the same zip code as the WR, it will be a marked improvement.

Yep. And some aggressiveness. Pleeeeassse. Don't sit back and watch the opposing offense just pick apart the D drive after f#$%ing drive.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"pattersaur" said: I think the defense will be bottom 1/3 still as well. Just not enough incoming talent to offset losses but like MB just said Bottom 1/3 > Bottom 2. Progress is progress. Without much money to spend and with our earliest defensive pick being a third rounder who doesn’t project to start, we are going to be far from stout. 

I agree that our defense will be far from stout. If the defense can finish somewhere between, say, 15 and 20, I would be ecstatic. That kind of improvement on defense with what should be a pretty good offense, and this team could do a little better. 

My only issue with your post is saying that Blackmon is our only addition. Don't forget, to the defense we trotted out last season, we're adding Cine, Booth, and Evans as well...not to mention Flores. 

I don't mention Asamoah, Lowry, Davenport and Murphy because they're replacing quality players. Just as an aside, I'd say Murphy is an upgrade over Peterson, Davenport is a wash with Z, and Lowry a pretty significant downgrade from Tomlinson. Asamoah, hard to say. It would be pretty optimistic to think he'll be better than Kendricks. On the other hand, Kendricks was downright awful last year, so we'll see...

Biggest upgrade on D in my eyes is Flores...and an offense that can hopefully run the ball a little better. 

Well if Flores has the dbs in the same zip code as the WR, it will be a marked improvement.

Yep. And some aggressiveness. Pleeeeassse. Don't sit back and watch the opposing offense just pick apart the D drive after f#$%ing drive.

I think the defense will be completely different under Flores. If he holds true with his past, our blitz rate will over double from about 15% in 2022 to about 35% in 2023. Ultra aggressive.  

It will be a lot more fun to watch, with a lot more big plays for and against. But will it keep points off the board? That remains to be seen. 

Ranked 32nd under Donatell, an incompetent.  Coaching matters and the D will be better.  But it's still full of holes and question marks in terms of talent.

And I know fans slobber at the thought of being blitz-happy but blitz heavy teams with weak personnel get burned.  It's why Donatell played it so safe and soft, but took it so far it was almost like not playing defense at all.  The scheme of a moron. Whatever Flores does, it won't be that godawful dumb.

Berchich seems to think we will be going back to a 43 more this year,  or at least not a 34 near as much.   On KFan this morning.

without the right personnel it's reaction instead of attack action

@"JimmyinSD" said: Berchich seems to think we will be going back to a 43 more this year,  or at least not a 34 near as much.   On KFan this morning.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: Berchich seems to think we will be going back to a 43 more this year,  or at least not a 34 near as much.   On KFan this morning.

Would love this.