A Weekend Mock to Pass the Time
I hope to get back and post a mock on draft day but wanted to take a stab at a potential scenario. Although I do think there is a more real chance the Vikings sacrifice their sheer # of picks this year to move up for a QB I played the alternative outcome of moving back since its every so slightly more likely. While drafting at #23 remains possible I've gathered the sense they will move up or down to target a player they love or back to accumulate picks to better position their needs to player values.
1(23): TRADE. Aforementioned but the Vikings move down in this scenario with the Steelers at 2(32). If the board falls right and the Steelers pick at #17 MN may end up being a good trade partner since they can let a potential OT target slide through and come back up 5 selections later. The Vikings also give-up 5(158) but pickup 3(80) to make the move backwards worthwhile.
2(32): TRADE...again! Now we are talking about a real Vikings draft day. Kicking off night two the Vikings hold a pick with more inherent value than most. Its a strategy that appealed to them last year, why not do it again? In this case they move back to 2(40) with NO moving up for a WR. The Vikings end up moving 2(32) for 2(40), 4(115), and 5(165).
2(40) via NO: DJ Turner (CB - Michigan): After moving back the Vikings position themselves to either select a falling WR or CB. Turner is not often talked about but is one of the better CBs in this year's class. Although small he mirrors well and can play a physical brand of football both inside and outside. Positional flexibility in the secondary is huge to the FO and coaching staff with Turner hitting all athletic thresholds. He should be a day one started in the nickel which will allow they to play Murphy as a chess piece based on matchup. E.G he can shadow receivers in and out of the slot. Its a nice luxury. Aside from Turner and Murphy the Vikings expect both Booth & Evans to contribute at the other outside CB spot.
3(69) via LAR: Jonathan Mingo (WR - Ole Miss): Now the Vikings move up to fill their need at WR with Mingo. While I'm not sure who they would choose amongst a group of Mingo, Mims and Dell I do think they can add a day 1 piece to the offense in this general area. Over the spring I've heard the Vikings prefer a WR 2 who wins underneath and can run away from the defense. This eliminates many of the field stretchers but schematically this actually is a nice wrinkle. If you have a WR2 that can consistently win in that fashion you really need to pick your position if they continue to stack Hockenson and Jefferson. Either bracket Jefferson with a LB and CB instead of a safety or leave the WR 2 1x1 or bracketed with a LB who can no longer plug the run game. The Vikings give 3(80) via PIT and 4(119) for this pick and 6(191).
3(87): Yaya Diaby (DE - Louisville): While I didn't project any player trades in this mock I feel its 50/50 if Za'Darius Smith is on the 2023 roster. Diaby is a bit of a different player but someone who can move up and down the D-line with the quickness and physicality to win in multiple ways. While he needs to continue developing a more consistent pass rushing repertoire, teams are going to love the schematic versatility and toolkit. In my mind we're talking about at worst a rotational pass rusher with the potential to become a regular contributor which is a value when talking about a premium position in the 3rd.
4(115): via NO: Noah Sewell (LB - Oregon): Brian Asamoah is penciled in to start next to Jordan Hicks but that just isn't the long-term solution at the position. How the Vikings approach ILB will be fascinating. Will they prioritize a bigger ILB similar to Sewell to offset Asamoah's lack of mass or go full modern NFL and play two quick undersized LBs? Its a dilemma if they choose to target a LB earlier since you're basically comparing Trenton Simpson to Drew Sanders. They like Sanders FYI. But in Sewell they get a prototypical ILB that has the attributes of what the Patriots/Flores have loved historically. Although he lacks some range he can consume blocs and excels as a pass rusher. He arguably has enough of a skillset to compete with Hicks already. The one caveat is that Flores did trend away from larger LBs with the Dolphins which makes it hard to put on thumb on their physical preferences.
5(165): via NO: Dorian Thompson-Robison (QB - UCLA): The Vikings are heavily invested in this QB class and although the narrative has been they take a shot in the middle rounds, I would not be shocked to see them move into the top 10 for the right QB (likely Stroud or Richardson). We will see. If not, taking a stab with a late round pick in Thompson Robinson is a riskless throw at the dartboard. DTR has a really impressive athletic profile which allows you to really stress the defense with designed runs and roll-outs. He passes well enough to keep the defense honest. There are some long-term questions on accuracy and the ability to read an NFL defense outside of Chip Kelly's offense. But he has enough intriguing tools to take a chance. Off the field there are concerns on maturity which is why he may drop vs. his consensus rankings. But at this point it makes too much sense.
6(191): via LAR: Evan Hull (RB - Northwestern): Its a matter or days until Dalvin Cook is likely no longer a Vikings. Once the backfield is turned over the Mattison & Chandler they will need a bit more depth. Hull is an underrated prospect who may not be a RB1 in the NFL but has the profile to be a swiss-army knife #2 who can play in the league for many years. He can run between the tackles but also excels in the passing game. For a 6th round pick he is one of the safer choices if you're looking for prospect that would likely make the roster and provide some long-term value. In time he arguably could develop into a starting level back similar to Mattison. A strong contributor for a team who wants to focus on passing the ball.
6(211): Andrew Vorhees (OG - USC): Who knows if Vorhees will fall this far come draft weekend, but teams always shy away from immediate contributors. Vorhees likely will need a season to rehab after suffering an injury at the combine but I could see the Vikings viewing this as surplus value. Prior to the injury he was likely a 3rd round pick who had the potential to start at LG in year one. With Ezra Cleveland entering a contract and Ed Ingram still proving his long-term fit along the line I could see Vorhees as a nice long-term hedge. They don't need him now but come next year he very well may have a spot available to him in the starting 5.
@"pattersaur" said:@"Skodin" said: Still on the Cousins to SF trade plan here.This team needs picks, it needs cap room, it needs a shot a QB of the Future.
Cousins for Lance and SF's (2) 3rds gives us 4 picks in the top 100 and removes a $25M+ voided cap hit next year. Moving down in the first to either Seattle, Chicago, NYJ, Steelers would give us (2) 2ndsThat gives us 5 picks in the first three rounds PLUS A POTENTIAL QB of the future.
If Lance turns out, you don't need a QB in the 1st round next year and give him a 5th year option. If he doesn't you have 5 players from the top 100 of the 23 draft, cap space, and the 2024 draft to grab a QB with probably a top 10 pick.
2024 has to be the focus with cap room, a potential boatload of 2nd (2 2nds & 3 3rds) and 3rd year players (Cine, Booth, Asomoah), and possible a QB of the future on the roster in Lance
If you don't think we are real Super Bowl contenders this year, you are going to rebuild the roster and make your mark, this is the way to do it
The problem with this (pretty sound) plan is getting the Wilfs on board. They have shown zero willingness to sacrifice the short term for the long. I get it. Any given Sunday. But what we’ve been doing isn’t working. Maybe we can stay on the same course and just do it better… I’d love that! But it gets hard when you see teams like PHI, JAX, TB, LAR blow things up and have more success, while we wade in the middle of the pack. Winning a SB is obviously the goal but fans are pretty smart in 2023. The stadium will still be full, they’ll still sell a ton of jerseys and $12 hot dogs even if it’s a down year. Heck, Detroit was like .500 last year and talk to their fans and you’d think they were undefeated.
I can see why the Wilf's think that way. And it has to do with the defense, not Cousins. I would be shocked to see them trade Cousins for Lance. If they trade Cousins, it should be for draft capitol to move up and take their QBOTF in this draft. Lance wont give you the 4 or 5 years of economic relief that allows you to build a team around him.
There has been one consistent problem with the Vikings for a long time. They always have a part of the team that is lacking, or a weakness. They seem to put together a competitive team every 10 years or so, they are a bit overdue right now, while other teams seem to find a way to be more consistently competitive.They need to hit on a rookie QB if they want to have the long term competitive success they had in the purple people eaters days. They didn't break through and win a superbowl back then, but they had a team that was capable year in and year out back then. They need an excellent defense and a QB on a rookie deal will give them an opportunity to build one.
@"pattersaur" said:@"Skodin" said: Still on the Cousins to SF trade plan here.This team needs picks, it needs cap room, it needs a shot a QB of the Future.
Cousins for Lance and SF's (2) 3rds gives us 4 picks in the top 100 and removes a $25M+ voided cap hit next year. Moving down in the first to either Seattle, Chicago, NYJ, Steelers would give us (2) 2ndsThat gives us 5 picks in the first three rounds PLUS A POTENTIAL QB of the future.
If Lance turns out, you don't need a QB in the 1st round next year and give him a 5th year option. If he doesn't you have 5 players from the top 100 of the 23 draft, cap space, and the 2024 draft to grab a QB with probably a top 10 pick.
2024 has to be the focus with cap room, a potential boatload of 2nd (2 2nds & 3 3rds) and 3rd year players (Cine, Booth, Asomoah), and possible a QB of the future on the roster in Lance
If you don't think we are real Super Bowl contenders this year, you are going to rebuild the roster and make your mark, this is the way to do it
The problem with this (pretty sound) plan is getting the Wilfs on board. They have shown zero willingness to sacrifice the short term for the long. I get it. Any given Sunday. But what we’ve been doing isn’t working. Maybe we can stay on the same course and just do it better… I’d love that! But it gets hard when you see teams like PHI, JAX, TB, LAR blow things up and have more success, while we wade in the middle of the pack. Winning a SB is obviously the goal but fans are pretty smart in 2023. The stadium will still be full, they’ll still sell a ton of jerseys and $12 hot dogs even if it’s a down year. Heck, Detroit was like .500 last year and talk to their fans and you’d think they were undefeated.
The bigger problem with this is who's going to play QB for the Vikings?Lance has shown less potential to start in the nfl (let alone playing well) since getting into the league than before. IT doesnt sound like he did himself any favors up here last pre-season during all those SF/Viking scrimmages either.
I can get on board with Lance for picks, but not for a pro-bowl starting QB.
@"Skodin" said: Still on the Cousins to SF trade plan here.This team needs picks, it needs cap room, it needs a shot a QB of the Future.
Cousins for Lance and SF's (2) 3rds gives us 4 picks in the top 100 and removes a $25M+ voided cap hit next year. Moving down in the first to either Seattle, Chicago, NYJ, Steelers would give us (2) 2ndsThat gives us 5 picks in the first three rounds PLUS A POTENTIAL QB of the future.
If Lance turns out, you don't need a QB in the 1st round next year and give him a 5th year option. If he doesn't you have 5 players from the top 100 of the 23 draft, cap space, and the 2024 draft to grab a QB with probably a top 10 pick.
2024 has to be the focus with cap room, a potential boatload of 2nd (2 2nds & 3 3rds) and 3rd year players (Cine, Booth, Asomoah), and possible a QB of the future on the roster in Lance
If you don't think we are real Super Bowl contenders this year, you are going to rebuild the roster and make your mark, this is the way to do it
Should have ended it with "This is the way."
@"purplefaithful" said:@"pattersaur" said:@"Skodin" said: Still on the Cousins to SF trade plan here.This team needs picks, it needs cap room, it needs a shot a QB of the Future.
Cousins for Lance and SF's (2) 3rds gives us 4 picks in the top 100 and removes a $25M+ voided cap hit next year. Moving down in the first to either Seattle, Chicago, NYJ, Steelers would give us (2) 2ndsThat gives us 5 picks in the first three rounds PLUS A POTENTIAL QB of the future.
If Lance turns out, you don't need a QB in the 1st round next year and give him a 5th year option. If he doesn't you have 5 players from the top 100 of the 23 draft, cap space, and the 2024 draft to grab a QB with probably a top 10 pick.
2024 has to be the focus with cap room, a potential boatload of 2nd (2 2nds & 3 3rds) and 3rd year players (Cine, Booth, Asomoah), and possible a QB of the future on the roster in Lance
If you don't think we are real Super Bowl contenders this year, you are going to rebuild the roster and make your mark, this is the way to do it
The problem with this (pretty sound) plan is getting the Wilfs on board. They have shown zero willingness to sacrifice the short term for the long. I get it. Any given Sunday. But what we’ve been doing isn’t working. Maybe we can stay on the same course and just do it better… I’d love that! But it gets hard when you see teams like PHI, JAX, TB, LAR blow things up and have more success, while we wade in the middle of the pack. Winning a SB is obviously the goal but fans are pretty smart in 2023. The stadium will still be full, they’ll still sell a ton of jerseys and $12 hot dogs even if it’s a down year. Heck, Detroit was like .500 last year and talk to their fans and you’d think they were undefeated.
The bigger problem with this is who's going to play QB for the Vikings?Lance has shown less potential to start in the nfl (let alone playing well) since getting into the league than before. IT doesnt sound like he did himself any favors up here last pre-season during all those SF/Viking scrimmages either.
I can get on board with Lance for picks, but not for a pro-bowl starting QB.
Yep. I think it's likely the Vikings get their QBOTF this weekend, but it will have nothing to do with Cousins.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"purplefaithful" said:@"pattersaur" said:@"Skodin" said: Still on the Cousins to SF trade plan here.This team needs picks, it needs cap room, it needs a shot a QB of the Future.
Cousins for Lance and SF's (2) 3rds gives us 4 picks in the top 100 and removes a $25M+ voided cap hit next year. Moving down in the first to either Seattle, Chicago, NYJ, Steelers would give us (2) 2ndsThat gives us 5 picks in the first three rounds PLUS A POTENTIAL QB of the future.
If Lance turns out, you don't need a QB in the 1st round next year and give him a 5th year option. If he doesn't you have 5 players from the top 100 of the 23 draft, cap space, and the 2024 draft to grab a QB with probably a top 10 pick.
2024 has to be the focus with cap room, a potential boatload of 2nd (2 2nds & 3 3rds) and 3rd year players (Cine, Booth, Asomoah), and possible a QB of the future on the roster in Lance
If you don't think we are real Super Bowl contenders this year, you are going to rebuild the roster and make your mark, this is the way to do it
The problem with this (pretty sound) plan is getting the Wilfs on board. They have shown zero willingness to sacrifice the short term for the long. I get it. Any given Sunday. But what we’ve been doing isn’t working. Maybe we can stay on the same course and just do it better… I’d love that! But it gets hard when you see teams like PHI, JAX, TB, LAR blow things up and have more success, while we wade in the middle of the pack. Winning a SB is obviously the goal but fans are pretty smart in 2023. The stadium will still be full, they’ll still sell a ton of jerseys and $12 hot dogs even if it’s a down year. Heck, Detroit was like .500 last year and talk to their fans and you’d think they were undefeated.
The bigger problem with this is who's going to play QB for the Vikings?Lance has shown less potential to start in the nfl (let alone playing well) since getting into the league than before. IT doesnt sound like he did himself any favors up here last pre-season during all those SF/Viking scrimmages either.
I can get on board with Lance for picks, but not for a pro-bowl starting QB.
Yep. I think it's likely the Vikings get their QBOTF this weekend, but it will have nothing to do with Cousins.
My gut says that as well, although I'm trying to figure out exactly how they'll accomplish it.
From what I read the Vikings are taking long looks at the quarterbacks from Stanford and Utah St. Supposedly, they have strong arms and good mobility. Not much is said about them since they play on bad teams.
@"StickyBun" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"purplefaithful" said:@"pattersaur" said:@"Skodin" said: Still on the Cousins to SF trade plan here.This team needs picks, it needs cap room, it needs a shot a QB of the Future.
Cousins for Lance and SF's (2) 3rds gives us 4 picks in the top 100 and removes a $25M+ voided cap hit next year. Moving down in the first to either Seattle, Chicago, NYJ, Steelers would give us (2) 2ndsThat gives us 5 picks in the first three rounds PLUS A POTENTIAL QB of the future.
If Lance turns out, you don't need a QB in the 1st round next year and give him a 5th year option. If he doesn't you have 5 players from the top 100 of the 23 draft, cap space, and the 2024 draft to grab a QB with probably a top 10 pick.
2024 has to be the focus with cap room, a potential boatload of 2nd (2 2nds & 3 3rds) and 3rd year players (Cine, Booth, Asomoah), and possible a QB of the future on the roster in Lance
If you don't think we are real Super Bowl contenders this year, you are going to rebuild the roster and make your mark, this is the way to do it
The problem with this (pretty sound) plan is getting the Wilfs on board. They have shown zero willingness to sacrifice the short term for the long. I get it. Any given Sunday. But what we’ve been doing isn’t working. Maybe we can stay on the same course and just do it better… I’d love that! But it gets hard when you see teams like PHI, JAX, TB, LAR blow things up and have more success, while we wade in the middle of the pack. Winning a SB is obviously the goal but fans are pretty smart in 2023. The stadium will still be full, they’ll still sell a ton of jerseys and $12 hot dogs even if it’s a down year. Heck, Detroit was like .500 last year and talk to their fans and you’d think they were undefeated.
The bigger problem with this is who's going to play QB for the Vikings?Lance has shown less potential to start in the nfl (let alone playing well) since getting into the league than before. IT doesnt sound like he did himself any favors up here last pre-season during all those SF/Viking scrimmages either.
I can get on board with Lance for picks, but not for a pro-bowl starting QB.
Yep. I think it's likely the Vikings get their QBOTF this weekend, but it will have nothing to do with Cousins.
My gut says that as well, although I'm trying to figure out exactly how they'll accomplish it.
If I was betting my own $$ on it? It'll be a trade-down to acquire more picks and grab a QB in later rounds. With a hope and prayer it turns out better than Mond.
@"purplefaithful" said:@"StickyBun" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"purplefaithful" said:@"pattersaur" said:@"Skodin" said: Still on the Cousins to SF trade plan here.This team needs picks, it needs cap room, it needs a shot a QB of the Future.
Cousins for Lance and SF's (2) 3rds gives us 4 picks in the top 100 and removes a $25M+ voided cap hit next year. Moving down in the first to either Seattle, Chicago, NYJ, Steelers would give us (2) 2ndsThat gives us 5 picks in the first three rounds PLUS A POTENTIAL QB of the future.
If Lance turns out, you don't need a QB in the 1st round next year and give him a 5th year option. If he doesn't you have 5 players from the top 100 of the 23 draft, cap space, and the 2024 draft to grab a QB with probably a top 10 pick.
2024 has to be the focus with cap room, a potential boatload of 2nd (2 2nds & 3 3rds) and 3rd year players (Cine, Booth, Asomoah), and possible a QB of the future on the roster in Lance
If you don't think we are real Super Bowl contenders this year, you are going to rebuild the roster and make your mark, this is the way to do it
The problem with this (pretty sound) plan is getting the Wilfs on board. They have shown zero willingness to sacrifice the short term for the long. I get it. Any given Sunday. But what we’ve been doing isn’t working. Maybe we can stay on the same course and just do it better… I’d love that! But it gets hard when you see teams like PHI, JAX, TB, LAR blow things up and have more success, while we wade in the middle of the pack. Winning a SB is obviously the goal but fans are pretty smart in 2023. The stadium will still be full, they’ll still sell a ton of jerseys and $12 hot dogs even if it’s a down year. Heck, Detroit was like .500 last year and talk to their fans and you’d think they were undefeated.
The bigger problem with this is who's going to play QB for the Vikings?Lance has shown less potential to start in the nfl (let alone playing well) since getting into the league than before. IT doesnt sound like he did himself any favors up here last pre-season during all those SF/Viking scrimmages either.
I can get on board with Lance for picks, but not for a pro-bowl starting QB.
Yep. I think it's likely the Vikings get their QBOTF this weekend, but it will have nothing to do with Cousins.
My gut says that as well, although I'm trying to figure out exactly how they'll accomplish it.
If I was betting my own $$ on it? It would be a trade-down to acquire more picks and grab a QB in later rounds. With a hope and prayer it turns out better than Mond.
Odds of success in drafting a QB in later rounds that amount to anything is beyond low. I get they may take a swing later because its either cost prohibitive to move up, they have other holes to fill or they don't privately like anyone that much beyond the top 4. But they'll know if they select a QB in round 3 or 4 that its a hope and a prayer....but a small investment.
@"purplefaithful" said:@"StickyBun" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"purplefaithful" said:@"pattersaur" said:@"Skodin" said: Still on the Cousins to SF trade plan here.This team needs picks, it needs cap room, it needs a shot a QB of the Future.
Cousins for Lance and SF's (2) 3rds gives us 4 picks in the top 100 and removes a $25M+ voided cap hit next year. Moving down in the first to either Seattle, Chicago, NYJ, Steelers would give us (2) 2ndsThat gives us 5 picks in the first three rounds PLUS A POTENTIAL QB of the future.
If Lance turns out, you don't need a QB in the 1st round next year and give him a 5th year option. If he doesn't you have 5 players from the top 100 of the 23 draft, cap space, and the 2024 draft to grab a QB with probably a top 10 pick.
2024 has to be the focus with cap room, a potential boatload of 2nd (2 2nds & 3 3rds) and 3rd year players (Cine, Booth, Asomoah), and possible a QB of the future on the roster in Lance
If you don't think we are real Super Bowl contenders this year, you are going to rebuild the roster and make your mark, this is the way to do it
The problem with this (pretty sound) plan is getting the Wilfs on board. They have shown zero willingness to sacrifice the short term for the long. I get it. Any given Sunday. But what we’ve been doing isn’t working. Maybe we can stay on the same course and just do it better… I’d love that! But it gets hard when you see teams like PHI, JAX, TB, LAR blow things up and have more success, while we wade in the middle of the pack. Winning a SB is obviously the goal but fans are pretty smart in 2023. The stadium will still be full, they’ll still sell a ton of jerseys and $12 hot dogs even if it’s a down year. Heck, Detroit was like .500 last year and talk to their fans and you’d think they were undefeated.
The bigger problem with this is who's going to play QB for the Vikings?Lance has shown less potential to start in the nfl (let alone playing well) since getting into the league than before. IT doesnt sound like he did himself any favors up here last pre-season during all those SF/Viking scrimmages either.
I can get on board with Lance for picks, but not for a pro-bowl starting QB.
Yep. I think it's likely the Vikings get their QBOTF this weekend, but it will have nothing to do with Cousins.
My gut says that as well, although I'm trying to figure out exactly how they'll accomplish it.
If I was betting my own $$ on it? It would be a trade-down to acquire more picks and grab a QB in later rounds. With a hope and prayer it turns out better than Mond.
I think what the Vikings WANT is to trade back to the last pick in the 1st round, pick up some extra day two picks, and take Hendon Hooker there.If someone jumps us, then we'd take a position player there, and fill some needs with the extra picks, and take a QB later. God knows they've looked at QBs at all levels this year, so they're clearly open to that option.
@"ArizonaViking" said: From what I read the Vikings are taking long looks at the quarterbacks from Stanford and Utah St. Supposedly, they have strong arms and good mobility. Not much is said about them since they play on bad teams.
The Stanford kid is as mobile as Kirko...Maybe less so.
@"purplefaithful" said:@"ArizonaViking" said: From what I read the Vikings are taking long looks at the quarterbacks from Stanford and Utah St. Supposedly, they have strong arms and good mobility. Not much is said about them since they play on bad teams.
The Stanford kid is as mobile as Kirko...Maybe less so.
Yep, and a lesser arm. I wouldn't touch him.
@"AGRforever" said: CJ stroud got a 18% on the cognitive test. Not sure if he’s used to others doing his homework or what happened. With the complexities of the NFL, that should concern people.
Its about the same level of concern you have with a player who is fast on tape runs a below average 40 time, it makes you ask "why"?. Stroud process' very well on the field and I think the "why" in this case is, did OSU somehow hide his inability to process information quickly? In my analysis, they didn't. So I wouldn't weight the S2 score as highly as a player who scored poorly and struggled with reading the field.
@"supafreak84" said: Geoff I know you mentioned a move into the top 10 for Richardson. That would be an all time swing of swings because of the price tag it would cost to move up and his bust potential. With the amount of holes we have left to fill on this roster and the few draft picks we have, it would take brass balls to do something like that knowing you won't be getting any immediate returns on your investment. How high are the Vikings on Richardson exactly?Impossible to know, but even since I wrote this mock I think the likelihood of moving up the board has increased. People are too caught up in the sheer number of picks. If they can add a rookie QB and get out of Kirk's deal over the next 2 years they'll be able to buy known commodities making the draft less important.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"pattersaur" said: Update- In the "draft predictions" thread on reddit, 98% of fans are saying trade down. So we're for sure trading up.
Hard to know what the Vikings will do. And I guess that's a good thing.Trading up would obviously be for a QB. It would also mean the Vikings are willing to sacrifice adding impactful talent to the '23 team (and perhaps beyond) in order to get the QBOTF on the roster while Cousins is still here.
If the Vikings trade down, it means they want to add impactful talent now for the purpose of contending in '23, they recognize the flexibility that having Cousins provides, and adding the QBOTF is not as important as improving the talent on the roster.
Best of both worlds? Trading down, getting picks, adding talent AND adding the QBOTF. Probably the hardest to actually achieve though.
An interesting concept is if they can't navigate a high-end QBOTF this year, would they consider punting on early picks in this years draft? Would a win-now team with bust potential like the Commanders trade a 24' 1st round pick and a 2023 3rd for #23 this year if only players with 2nd round valuations are left on the board? They could still double-up on CB/WR in the 3rd where there is still some depth.
@"Geoff Nichols" said:I think this is KAM's preferred way: but I think the Draft has to fall a certain way to increase the odds that he can maneuver to make something happen. Might need a little luck.@"supafreak84" said: Geoff I know you mentioned a move into the top 10 for Richardson. That would be an all time swing of swings because of the price tag it would cost to move up and his bust potential. With the amount of holes we have left to fill on this roster and the few draft picks we have, it would take brass balls to do something like that knowing you won't be getting any immediate returns on your investment. How high are the Vikings on Richardson exactly? Impossible to know, but even since I wrote this mock I think the likelihood of moving up the board has increased. People are too caught up in the sheer number of picks. If they can add a rookie QB and get out of Kirk's deal over the next 2 years they'll be able to buy known commodities making the draft less important.
@"Geoff Nichols" said:My concern is they love Richardson, especially after they got him on some 1:1's. I think his bust factor is right up there with Stroud. The good news is he'll probably be a top 5 pick and too rich to move up from 23.@"supafreak84" said: Geoff I know you mentioned a move into the top 10 for Richardson. That would be an all time swing of swings because of the price tag it would cost to move up and his bust potential. With the amount of holes we have left to fill on this roster and the few draft picks we have, it would take brass balls to do something like that knowing you won't be getting any immediate returns on your investment. How high are the Vikings on Richardson exactly? Impossible to know, but even since I wrote this mock I think the likelihood of moving up the board has increased. People are too caught up in the sheer number of picks. If they can add a rookie QB and get out of Kirk's deal over the next 2 years they'll be able to buy known commodities making the draft less important.That leaves maybe Levis or Hooker. And Hookers S2 score is right up there with my Labradors.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"purplefaithful" said:@"StickyBun" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"purplefaithful" said:@"pattersaur" said:@"Skodin" said: Still on the Cousins to SF trade plan here.This team needs picks, it needs cap room, it needs a shot a QB of the Future.
Cousins for Lance and SF's (2) 3rds gives us 4 picks in the top 100 and removes a $25M+ voided cap hit next year. Moving down in the first to either Seattle, Chicago, NYJ, Steelers would give us (2) 2ndsThat gives us 5 picks in the first three rounds PLUS A POTENTIAL QB of the future.
If Lance turns out, you don't need a QB in the 1st round next year and give him a 5th year option. If he doesn't you have 5 players from the top 100 of the 23 draft, cap space, and the 2024 draft to grab a QB with probably a top 10 pick.
2024 has to be the focus with cap room, a potential boatload of 2nd (2 2nds & 3 3rds) and 3rd year players (Cine, Booth, Asomoah), and possible a QB of the future on the roster in Lance
If you don't think we are real Super Bowl contenders this year, you are going to rebuild the roster and make your mark, this is the way to do it
The problem with this (pretty sound) plan is getting the Wilfs on board. They have shown zero willingness to sacrifice the short term for the long. I get it. Any given Sunday. But what we’ve been doing isn’t working. Maybe we can stay on the same course and just do it better… I’d love that! But it gets hard when you see teams like PHI, JAX, TB, LAR blow things up and have more success, while we wade in the middle of the pack. Winning a SB is obviously the goal but fans are pretty smart in 2023. The stadium will still be full, they’ll still sell a ton of jerseys and $12 hot dogs even if it’s a down year. Heck, Detroit was like .500 last year and talk to their fans and you’d think they were undefeated.
The bigger problem with this is who's going to play QB for the Vikings?Lance has shown less potential to start in the nfl (let alone playing well) since getting into the league than before. IT doesnt sound like he did himself any favors up here last pre-season during all those SF/Viking scrimmages either.
I can get on board with Lance for picks, but not for a pro-bowl starting QB.
Yep. I think it's likely the Vikings get their QBOTF this weekend, but it will have nothing to do with Cousins.
My gut says that as well, although I'm trying to figure out exactly how they'll accomplish it.
If I was betting my own $$ on it? It would be a trade-down to acquire more picks and grab a QB in later rounds. With a hope and prayer it turns out better than Mond.
I think what the Vikings WANT is to trade back to the last pick in the 1st round, pick up some extra day two picks, and take Hendon Hooker there.If someone jumps us, then we'd take a position player there, and fill some needs with the extra picks, and take a QB later. God knows they've looked at QBs at all levels this year, so they're clearly open to that option.
I am fine if they want to take a swing at Hooker, the arm talent and ability to run is intriguing enough. Jacoby Brissett's success really helps him in some ways since that is the comp in my opinion. But moving back to the end of the round to grab a few picks along the way makes it more worthwhile. The downside is it opens you up to getting jumped since you're somewhat telegraphing what you may be doing.
@"purplefaithful" said:@"Geoff Nichols" said:@"supafreak84" said: Geoff I know you mentioned a move into the top 10 for Richardson. That would be an all time swing of swings because of the price tag it would cost to move up and his bust potential. With the amount of holes we have left to fill on this roster and the few draft picks we have, it would take brass balls to do something like that knowing you won't be getting any immediate returns on your investment. How high are the Vikings on Richardson exactly? Impossible to know, but even since I wrote this mock I think the likelihood of moving up the board has increased. People are too caught up in the sheer number of picks. If they can add a rookie QB and get out of Kirk's deal over the next 2 years they'll be able to buy known commodities making the draft less important.That leaves maybe Levis or Hooker. And Hookers S2 score is right up there with my Labradors.
I think this is a legit concern.
@"StickyBun" said:@"purplefaithful" said:@"Geoff Nichols" said:@"supafreak84" said: Geoff I know you mentioned a move into the top 10 for Richardson. That would be an all time swing of swings because of the price tag it would cost to move up and his bust potential. With the amount of holes we have left to fill on this roster and the few draft picks we have, it would take brass balls to do something like that knowing you won't be getting any immediate returns on your investment. How high are the Vikings on Richardson exactly? Impossible to know, but even since I wrote this mock I think the likelihood of moving up the board has increased. People are too caught up in the sheer number of picks. If they can add a rookie QB and get out of Kirk's deal over the next 2 years they'll be able to buy known commodities making the draft less important.That leaves maybe Levis or Hooker. And Hookers S2 score is right up there with my Labradors.
I think this is a legit concern.
I agree. PurpleFaithful's Labradors are going to disown him.
@"purplefaithful" said:@"Geoff Nichols" said:My concern is they love Richardson, especially after they got him on some 1:1's. I think his bust factor is right up there with Stroud. The good news is he'll probably be a top 5 pick and too rich to move up from 23.@"supafreak84" said: Geoff I know you mentioned a move into the top 10 for Richardson. That would be an all time swing of swings because of the price tag it would cost to move up and his bust potential. With the amount of holes we have left to fill on this roster and the few draft picks we have, it would take brass balls to do something like that knowing you won't be getting any immediate returns on your investment. How high are the Vikings on Richardson exactly? Impossible to know, but even since I wrote this mock I think the likelihood of moving up the board has increased. People are too caught up in the sheer number of picks. If they can add a rookie QB and get out of Kirk's deal over the next 2 years they'll be able to buy known commodities making the draft less important.That leaves maybe Levis or Hooker. And Hookers S2 score is right up there with my Labradors.
I don't understand the love for Richardson outside of his athletic ability. If I just went by his stats, I'd wonder why there is any interest in him. I mean 53% completion rate in college? Granted, I haven't watched him. He apparently has the tools, but didn't really put it together at the college level. Am I missing something?
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