Cousins Trade Rumors

@"pattersaur" said:

@"PurpleCrush" said:

Not sure show credibluothis account is, but apparently they've hit on a few things recently. I will say this about any potential swap - IF it were to come to fruition, SF would definitely have to add to that trade scenario. Sure, you're getting a kid with high upside, but he's barely played at all, including college, he's coming off a fractured ankle, and two years have already been shaved off his rookie deal. I also wonder how JJ would react to going from a guy in Cousins whose helped him set all types of records, to an unproven commodity.

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The #Vikings and #49ers have had preliminary discussions about a Kirk Cousins/Trey Lance swap.

The Vikings aren’t confident Cousins is capable of leading them to a Super Bowl. Meanwhile, the 49ers believe that Cousins could be the missing piece just as Stafford was for the #Rams.

The salary cap implications of a potential deal remain a hurdle.

I think the odds Kirk gets traded hover somewhere around 1%, but I will say the narrative on this forum about "Jefferson would hate to be getting thrown to by (insert QB who's not Kirk)" is VASTLY overblown. JJ is a made guy. He's going to become the highest paid WR in the history of the NFL. Would he like to pad stats? Sure. But he's set regardless and by all indications is a team player. He seems smart enough to understand that finding a new QB is a solid longterm play.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: Kirk  for Lance has to have a lot of draft capital coming back with Lance.  And I'm not talking about late 3rd rounders either.   This move is essentially handing the niners a ring,  they need to pay for that ring.  I know kc is on an expensive deal,  but its one that is a bargain since the Vikings will still end up carrying most of that hit so that has to be worth something.   I wouldnt be surprised to hear that there is a deal on place for the niners first and its up to the Vikes to pull the trigger.  Would maybe explain why they redid his deal to lower the cap hit when they didnt need to yet.

This isn't about Kirk for Lance. It's about picks for Lance. 

@"PurpleCrush" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

@"PurpleCrush" said:

Not sure show credibluothis account is, but apparently they've hit on a few things recently. I will say this about any potential swap - IF it were to come to fruition, SF would definitely have to add to that trade scenario. Sure, you're getting a kid with high upside, but he's barely played at all, including college, he's coming off a fractured ankle, and two years have already been shaved off his rookie deal. I also wonder how JJ would react to going from a guy in Cousins whose helped him set all types of records, to an unproven commodity.

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RUMOR:
The #Vikings and #49ers have had preliminary discussions about a Kirk Cousins/Trey Lance swap.

The Vikings aren’t confident Cousins is capable of leading them to a Super Bowl. Meanwhile, the 49ers believe that Cousins could be the missing piece just as Stafford was for the #Rams.

The salary cap implications of a potential deal remain a hurdle.

I think the odds Kirk gets traded hover somewhere around 1%, but I will say the narrative on this forum about "Jefferson would hate to be getting thrown to by (insert QB who's not Kirk)" is VASTLY overblown. JJ is a made guy. He's going to become the highest paid WR in the history of the NFL. Would he like to pad stats? Sure. But he's set regardless and by all indications is a team player. He seems smart enough to understand that finding a new QB is a solid longterm play.

 
I would hope so, but in the context of that trade scenario I'd still be a bit leery. Finding a new QB is indeed a solid long term play but finding a new QB who is going to turn out better than the one you have isn't that easy. I don't think making bank and being made is going to ease any concerns if the team picks the wrong guy and sets the them back however badly.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"PurpleCrush" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

@"PurpleCrush" said:

Not sure show credibluothis account is, but apparently they've hit on a few things recently. I will say this about any potential swap - IF it were to come to fruition, SF would definitely have to add to that trade scenario. Sure, you're getting a kid with high upside, but he's barely played at all, including college, he's coming off a fractured ankle, and two years have already been shaved off his rookie deal. I also wonder how JJ would react to going from a guy in Cousins whose helped him set all types of records, to an unproven commodity.

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RUMOR:
The #Vikings and #49ers have had preliminary discussions about a Kirk Cousins/Trey Lance swap.

The Vikings aren’t confident Cousins is capable of leading them to a Super Bowl. Meanwhile, the 49ers believe that Cousins could be the missing piece just as Stafford was for the #Rams.

The salary cap implications of a potential deal remain a hurdle.

I think the odds Kirk gets traded hover somewhere around 1%, but I will say the narrative on this forum about "Jefferson would hate to be getting thrown to by (insert QB who's not Kirk)" is VASTLY overblown. JJ is a made guy. He's going to become the highest paid WR in the history of the NFL. Would he like to pad stats? Sure. But he's set regardless and by all indications is a team player. He seems smart enough to understand that finding a new QB is a solid longterm play.

 
I would hope so, but in the context of that trade scenario I'd still be a bit leery. Finding a new QB is indeed a solid long term play but finding a new QB who is going to turn out better than the one you have isn't that easy. I don't think making bank and being made is going to ease any concerns if the team picks the wrong guy and sets the them back however badly.

 The only way picking the wrong guy would set the team back is of they trade away a bunch of assets to do so.  Getting off the mercenary Kirk train would open a lot of cap space to allow for improving areas of need through FA amd making it easier to allocate future draft picks towards finding that QBOTF.  However if they go all in on a player from deep in the first round, using future draft picks, they lose the cap savings those picks could provide,  plus they still don't have a cheap QB, nor a means to aquire one.  IMO unless they are rock fucking solid sold on a guy they need to play it fairly conservative and see what falls to what they can afford to grab.

@"PurpleCrush" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"PurpleCrush" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

@"PurpleCrush" said:

Not sure show credibluothis account is, but apparently they've hit on a few things recently. I will say this about any potential swap - IF it were to come to fruition, SF would definitely have to add to that trade scenario. Sure, you're getting a kid with high upside, but he's barely played at all, including college, he's coming off a fractured ankle, and two years have already been shaved off his rookie deal. I also wonder how JJ would react to going from a guy in Cousins whose helped him set all types of records, to an unproven commodity.

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RUMOR:
The #Vikings and #49ers have had preliminary discussions about a Kirk Cousins/Trey Lance swap.

The Vikings aren’t confident Cousins is capable of leading them to a Super Bowl. Meanwhile, the 49ers believe that Cousins could be the missing piece just as Stafford was for the #Rams.

The salary cap implications of a potential deal remain a hurdle.

I think the odds Kirk gets traded hover somewhere around 1%, but I will say the narrative on this forum about "Jefferson would hate to be getting thrown to by (insert QB who's not Kirk)" is VASTLY overblown. JJ is a made guy. He's going to become the highest paid WR in the history of the NFL. Would he like to pad stats? Sure. But he's set regardless and by all indications is a team player. He seems smart enough to understand that finding a new QB is a solid longterm play.

 
I would hope so, but in the context of that trade scenario I'd still be a bit leery. Finding a new QB is indeed a solid long term play but finding a new QB who is going to turn out better than the one you have isn't that easy. I don't think making bank and being made is going to ease any concerns if the team picks the wrong guy and sets the them back however badly.

 The only way picking the wrong guy would set the team back is of they trade away a bunch of assets to do so.  Getting off the mercenary Kirk train would open a lot of cap space to allow for improving areas of need through FA amd making it easier to allocate future draft picks towards finding that QBOTF.  However if they go all in on a player from deep in the first round, using future draft picks, they lose the cap savings those picks could provide,  plus they still don't have a cheap QB, nor a means to aquire one.  IMO unless they are rock fucking solid sold on a guy they need to play it fairly conservative and see what falls to what they can afford to grab.

Not sure if that's the only way it would set them back. Picking Ponder is one example. I think your scenario is more akin to really throwing your team off the rails, at least if the guy you pick isn't worth the return on investment.

@JimmyinSD: How did Ponder set the team back?  They should have continued to draft QB even though they picked Ponder,   he was 1 draft pick,  that hardly sets the team back for years,  failure to account for the high potential that he would bust is what set the team back.

Failure to account for the high potential that he would be a bust? All the QBs taken that year were a bust (Locker, Gabbert). And the next (Luck, RGIII, Weeden). And the next (Manuel). And the next (Bortles, Manziel, Teddy). And the next (Winston, Mariota) And the next (Goff, Wentz). 

So account for the high potential of Ponder busting....by continuing to draft QBs? The smartest thing the Vikings did was to get up from the craps table and sign Kirk Cousins. Now, if we want to roll the dice on another QB, that's fine. Go for it. As long as we still have Cousins, we can do that and limit how much a miss will set us back. 

Ponder completely set the team back at least a couple years. We squandered a couple prime AD years trying to make the Ponder pick work. It was a disaster and it's hard to think anyone would believe otherwise.
I want the Vikings to land a young new QB as bad as anyone, but I am aware of the risks in doing so.

Was listening to Soloman Wilcots and Bill Polian on NFL Radio this morning and they brought up the Cousins to the 49ers rumor. Polian stated he still believes Shannahan would want a reliable veteran with Purdy being out (maybe all season) and says Cousins to SF would make a ton of sense for both teams as he stated the Vikings would want Lance and to have a QB on their rookie deal still. Polian stated Sam Darnold throws too many interceptions to be a reliable option. Stated the biggest obstacle in making that deal wouldn't be compensation, but getting Cousins salary manageable enough to make the trade work. 

Stay tuned, this might not be a dead deal 

Someone mentioned it up above, but Lance only has a couple years left on that Rookie deal and a bunch of question marks on his ability to excel in the NFL.

No way in hell I trade Kirko for him. A reasonable amount of draft capital? Sure - if we had some. 

@"supafreak84" said: Was listening to Soloman Wilcots and Bill Polian on NFL Radio this morning and they brought up the Cousins to the 49ers rumor. Polian stated he still believes Shannahan would want a reliable veteran with Purdy being out (maybe all season) and says Cousins to SF would make a ton of sense for both teams as he stated the Vikings would want Lance and to have a QB on their rookie deal still. Polian stated Sam Darnold throws too many interceptions to be a reliable option. Stated the biggest obstacle in making that deal wouldn't be compensation, but getting Cousins salary manageable enough to make the trade work. 

Stay tuned, this might not be a dead deal 

How does it make sense for the Vikings? I can see the headline now: "13-win team trades its 34-year-old, 4X Pro Bowl QB for complete unknown. Reaction from Justin Jefferson at 11."

If there has been talk, and I'm not saying there has been, it's much more likely about Vikings trading picks for Lance. But I'm betting that this is contingent upon the Vikings finding a QB in the draft. Weird things can happen to your best-laid plans in the draft. I suspect Lance is a backup option.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said: Was listening to Soloman Wilcots and Bill Polian on NFL Radio this morning and they brought up the Cousins to the 49ers rumor. Polian stated he still believes Shannahan would want a reliable veteran with Purdy being out (maybe all season) and says Cousins to SF would make a ton of sense for both teams as he stated the Vikings would want Lance and to have a QB on their rookie deal still. Polian stated Sam Darnold throws too many interceptions to be a reliable option. Stated the biggest obstacle in making that deal wouldn't be compensation, but getting Cousins salary manageable enough to make the trade work. 

Stay tuned, this might not be a dead deal 

I don't care who they are, but these guys are morons if they think this makes sense for the Vikings. Sure, put Kirk on the 49ers. They're instant Super Bowl favorites and they throw a sheet over what might have been their biggest mistake. 

How does it make sense for the Vikings? I can see the headline now: "13-win team trades its 34-year-old, 4X Pro Bowl QB for complete unknown. Reaction from Justin Jefferson at 11."

If there has been talk, and I'm not saying there has been, it's much more likely about Vikings trading picks for Lance. But I'm betting that this is contingent upon the Vikings finding a QB in the draft. Weird things can happen to your best-laid plans in the draft. I suspect Lance is a backup option.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said: Was listening to Soloman Wilcots and Bill Polian on NFL Radio this morning and they brought up the Cousins to the 49ers rumor. Polian stated he still believes Shannahan would want a reliable veteran with Purdy being out (maybe all season) and says Cousins to SF would make a ton of sense for both teams as he stated the Vikings would want Lance and to have a QB on their rookie deal still. Polian stated Sam Darnold throws too many interceptions to be a reliable option. Stated the biggest obstacle in making that deal wouldn't be compensation, but getting Cousins salary manageable enough to make the trade work. 

Stay tuned, this might not be a dead deal 

I don't care who they are, but these guys are morons if they think this makes sense for the Vikings. Sure, put Kirk on the 49ers. They're instant Super Bowl favorites and they throw a sheet over what might have been their biggest mistake. 

How does it make sense for the Vikings? I can see the headline now: "13-win team trades its 34-year-old, 4X Pro Bowl QB for complete unknown. Reaction from Justin Jefferson at 11."

If there has been talk, and I'm not saying there has been, it's much more likely about Vikings trading picks for Lance. But I'm betting that this is contingent upon the Vikings finding a QB in the draft. Weird things can happen to your best-laid plans in the draft. I suspect Lance is a backup option.

If you can get decent draft capital for Ponder, you’re a genius & should immediately be named the new GM…!!!  ;) B)  

@"Kentis" said: If you can get decent draft capital for Ponder, you’re a genius & should immediately be named the new GM…!!!  ;) B)  

Ponder and a 7th for Lance, who says no? :p

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said: Was listening to Soloman Wilcots and Bill Polian on NFL Radio this morning and they brought up the Cousins to the 49ers rumor. Polian stated he still believes Shannahan would want a reliable veteran with Purdy being out (maybe all season) and says Cousins to SF would make a ton of sense for both teams as he stated the Vikings would want Lance and to have a QB on their rookie deal still. Polian stated Sam Darnold throws too many interceptions to be a reliable option. Stated the biggest obstacle in making that deal wouldn't be compensation, but getting Cousins salary manageable enough to make the trade work. 

Stay tuned, this might not be a dead deal 

I don't care who they are, but these guys are morons if they think this makes sense for the Vikings. Sure, put Kirk on the 49ers. They're instant Super Bowl favorites and they throw a sheet over what might have been their biggest mistake. 

How does it make sense for the Vikings? I can see the headline now: "13-win team trades its 34-year-old, 4X Pro Bowl QB for complete unknown. Reaction from Justin Jefferson at 11."

If there has been talk, and I'm not saying there has been, it's much more likely about Vikings trading picks for Lance. But I'm betting that this is contingent upon the Vikings finding a QB in the draft. Weird things can happen to your best-laid plans in the draft. I suspect Lance is a backup option.

I think it all depends on how you view the team for this upcoming season on if it would be something that made sense or not. I personally think we take a step back this upcoming season. If you read the tea leaves, it's obvious the preference of Kwesi is to find a high upside QB on a rookie deal and get off the big money they are paying Cousins. I think he knows what Kirk is, understands age is a factor, and if he was really sold on Cousins moving forward he would just come out and say "Kirk is my guy" and already have him signed to an extension. The fact that neither has happened is telling. If they wanted to roll the dice on Lance and it took Kirk to get it done (with additional picks coming our way) then I think he'd do it. I don't expect any of this to happen, but the fact that it keeps being brought up makes it intriguing. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said: Was listening to Soloman Wilcots and Bill Polian on NFL Radio this morning and they brought up the Cousins to the 49ers rumor. Polian stated he still believes Shannahan would want a reliable veteran with Purdy being out (maybe all season) and says Cousins to SF would make a ton of sense for both teams as he stated the Vikings would want Lance and to have a QB on their rookie deal still. Polian stated Sam Darnold throws too many interceptions to be a reliable option. Stated the biggest obstacle in making that deal wouldn't be compensation, but getting Cousins salary manageable enough to make the trade work. 

Stay tuned, this might not be a dead deal 

I don't care who they are, but these guys are morons if they think this makes sense for the Vikings. Sure, put Kirk on the 49ers. They're instant Super Bowl favorites and they throw a sheet over what might have been their biggest mistake. 

How does it make sense for the Vikings? I can see the headline now: "13-win team trades its 34-year-old, 4X Pro Bowl QB for complete unknown. Reaction from Justin Jefferson at 11."

If there has been talk, and I'm not saying there has been, it's much more likely about Vikings trading picks for Lance. But I'm betting that this is contingent upon the Vikings finding a QB in the draft. Weird things can happen to your best-laid plans in the draft. I suspect Lance is a backup option.

I think it all depends on how you view the team for this upcoming season on if it would be something that made sense or not. I personally think we take a step back this upcoming season. If you read the tea leaves, it's obvious the preference of Kwesi is to find a high upside QB on a rookie deal and get off the big money they are paying Cousins. I think he knows what Kirk is, understands age is a factor, and if he was really sold on Cousins moving forward he would just come out and say "Kirk is my guy" and already have him signed to an extension. The fact that neither has happened is telling. If they wanted to roll the dice on Lance and it took Kirk to get it done (with additional picks coming our way) then I think he'd do it. I don't expect any of this to happen, but the fact that it keeps being brought up makes it intriguing. 

There have been dozens of QB trades in history, but every one happened because the QB was disgruntled and refused to play for his current team, the team collapsed and wanted to rebuild, or the team trading the QB had another QB ready to take his place. 

Montana to the Chiefs only because of Steve Young. Carson Palmer to the Raiders because Andy Dalton. Bradford to the Vikings because Wentz, Alex Smith to Washington because Mahomes. Bledsoe to the Bills because Brady. Jay Cutler to the Bears only because of a feud between him and McDaniel. And they got Kyle Orton back, who had started 31 games and actually had a winning record. In other words, an acceptable bridge QB…until they could draft their next bust (Tebow, Osweiller, Lynch...wow).

In fact, going back 60 years of QB trades, I can only find two that are even remotely similar to what this would be. 

1. Miami trading Ryan Tannehill to the Titans in 2019. Tannehill was a former 1st rounder, but up to this point, had been a moderate bust, missing several games and all of 2017 due to injury. What’s more, the Dolphins were a losing team over this time, not a 13-win team. But even then, in order to remain competitive, they brought in proven veteran bridge, Ryan Fitzpatrick, to play the 2019 season..until they drafted their QBOTF a year later. 

2. Two years ago the Lions, who had double digit losses 4 straight seasons, traded Matt Stafford to the Rams. However, the Lions got back Jared Goff, who had been to two Pro Bowls and a Super Bowl. 
Trey Lance hasn’t even proven he can play in the NFL yet. Nor have any of the QBs in the 2023 draft. Draft a QBOTF to sit behind Cousins? All for it. But forget trading Kirk Cousins for draft picks…or Lance. It won’t happen. Unless Kwesi has lost his fucking mind. Find a bridge and we can at least talk. 

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said: Was listening to Soloman Wilcots and Bill Polian on NFL Radio this morning and they brought up the Cousins to the 49ers rumor. Polian stated he still believes Shannahan would want a reliable veteran with Purdy being out (maybe all season) and says Cousins to SF would make a ton of sense for both teams as he stated the Vikings would want Lance and to have a QB on their rookie deal still. Polian stated Sam Darnold throws too many interceptions to be a reliable option. Stated the biggest obstacle in making that deal wouldn't be compensation, but getting Cousins salary manageable enough to make the trade work. 

Stay tuned, this might not be a dead deal 

I don't care who they are, but these guys are morons if they think this makes sense for the Vikings. Sure, put Kirk on the 49ers. They're instant Super Bowl favorites and they throw a sheet over what might have been their biggest mistake. 

How does it make sense for the Vikings? I can see the headline now: "13-win team trades its 34-year-old, 4X Pro Bowl QB for complete unknown. Reaction from Justin Jefferson at 11."

If there has been talk, and I'm not saying there has been, it's much more likely about Vikings trading picks for Lance. But I'm betting that this is contingent upon the Vikings finding a QB in the draft. Weird things can happen to your best-laid plans in the draft. I suspect Lance is a backup option.

I think it all depends on how you view the team for this upcoming season on if it would be something that made sense or not. I personally think we take a step back this upcoming season. If you read the tea leaves, it's obvious the preference of Kwesi is to find a high upside QB on a rookie deal and get off the big money they are paying Cousins. I think he knows what Kirk is, understands age is a factor, and if he was really sold on Cousins moving forward he would just come out and say "Kirk is my guy" and already have him signed to an extension. The fact that neither has happened is telling. If they wanted to roll the dice on Lance and it took Kirk to get it done (with additional picks coming our way) then I think he'd do it. I don't expect any of this to happen, but the fact that it keeps being brought up makes it intriguing. 

There have been dozens of QB trades in history, but every one happened because the QB was disgruntled and refused to play for his current team, the team collapsed and wanted to rebuild, or the team trading the QB had another QB ready to take his place. 

Montana to the Chiefs only because of Steve Young. Carson Palmer to the Raiders because Andy Dalton. Bradford to the Vikings because Wentz, Alex Smith to Washington because Mahomes. Bledsoe to the Bills because Brady. Jay Cutler to the Bears only because of a feud between him and McDaniel. And they got Kyle Orton back, who had started 31 games and actually had a winning record. In other words, an acceptable bridge QB…until they could draft their next bust (Tebow, Osweiller, Lynch...wow).

In fact, going back 60 years of QB trades, I can only find two that are even remotely similar to what this would be. 

1. Miami trading Ryan Tannehill to the Titans in 2019. Tannehill was a former 1st rounder, but up to this point, had been a moderate bust, missing several games and all of 2017 due to injury. What’s more, the Dolphins were a losing team over this time, not a 13-win team. But even then, in order to remain competitive, they brought in proven veteran bridge, Ryan Fitzpatrick, to play the 2019 season..until they drafted their QBOTF a year later. 

2. Two years ago the Lions, who had double digit losses 4 straight seasons, traded Matt Stafford to the Rams. However, the Lions got back Jared Goff, who had been to two Pro Bowls and a Super Bowl. 
Trey Lance hasn’t even proven he can play in the NFL yet. Nor have any of the QBs in the 2023 draft. Draft a QBOTF to sit behind Cousins? All for it. But forget trading Kirk Cousins for draft picks…or Lance. It won’t happen. Unless Kwesi has lost his fucking mind. Find a bridge and we can at least talk. 

I get it, but the team is clearly keeping options open and one of those options COULD be Lance + draft picks for Cousins. There has certainly been some smoke. If the Vikings thought Cousins was great and could take them to where they wanted to go, he'd already be signed on an extension. The fact that he's not obviously tells us all options are on the table at this point in acquiring a young, high upside QB. 

I'm betting a potential trade was discussed at the Combine, but we didn't entertain it until we saw how the quarterback pool played out in the draft as maybe, for example, we prefer Will Levis to Lance as a prospect and we are holding tight to see if we had a chance to land him first. Trading Kirk on Combine weekend would have been premature, and I doubt anything ultimately happens, but the fact that there was dialogue between the teams would lead you to believe that it could resurface as the draft gets closer or on draft day itself. And if a trade happened the Vikings still could bring in a veteran quarterback if Lance wasn't quite ready or they wanted a vet on the bench to help coach him up. There are options 

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said: Was listening to Soloman Wilcots and Bill Polian on NFL Radio this morning and they brought up the Cousins to the 49ers rumor. Polian stated he still believes Shannahan would want a reliable veteran with Purdy being out (maybe all season) and says Cousins to SF would make a ton of sense for both teams as he stated the Vikings would want Lance and to have a QB on their rookie deal still. Polian stated Sam Darnold throws too many interceptions to be a reliable option. Stated the biggest obstacle in making that deal wouldn't be compensation, but getting Cousins salary manageable enough to make the trade work. 

Stay tuned, this might not be a dead deal 

I don't care who they are, but these guys are morons if they think this makes sense for the Vikings. Sure, put Kirk on the 49ers. They're instant Super Bowl favorites and they throw a sheet over what might have been their biggest mistake. 

How does it make sense for the Vikings? I can see the headline now: "13-win team trades its 34-year-old, 4X Pro Bowl QB for complete unknown. Reaction from Justin Jefferson at 11."

If there has been talk, and I'm not saying there has been, it's much more likely about Vikings trading picks for Lance. But I'm betting that this is contingent upon the Vikings finding a QB in the draft. Weird things can happen to your best-laid plans in the draft. I suspect Lance is a backup option.

I think it all depends on how you view the team for this upcoming season on if it would be something that made sense or not. I personally think we take a step back this upcoming season. If you read the tea leaves, it's obvious the preference of Kwesi is to find a high upside QB on a rookie deal and get off the big money they are paying Cousins. I think he knows what Kirk is, understands age is a factor, and if he was really sold on Cousins moving forward he would just come out and say "Kirk is my guy" and already have him signed to an extension. The fact that neither has happened is telling. If they wanted to roll the dice on Lance and it took Kirk to get it done (with additional picks coming our way) then I think he'd do it. I don't expect any of this to happen, but the fact that it keeps being brought up makes it intriguing. 

There have been dozens of QB trades in history, but every one happened because the QB was disgruntled and refused to play for his current team, the team collapsed and wanted to rebuild, or the team trading the QB had another QB ready to take his place. 

Montana to the Chiefs only because of Steve Young. Carson Palmer to the Raiders because Andy Dalton. Bradford to the Vikings because Wentz, Alex Smith to Washington because Mahomes. Bledsoe to the Bills because Brady. Jay Cutler to the Bears only because of a feud between him and McDaniel. And they got Kyle Orton back, who had started 31 games and actually had a winning record. In other words, an acceptable bridge QB…until they could draft their next bust (Tebow, Osweiller, Lynch...wow).

In fact, going back 60 years of QB trades, I can only find two that are even remotely similar to what this would be. 

1. Miami trading Ryan Tannehill to the Titans in 2019. Tannehill was a former 1st rounder, but up to this point, had been a moderate bust, missing several games and all of 2017 due to injury. What’s more, the Dolphins were a losing team over this time, not a 13-win team. But even then, in order to remain competitive, they brought in proven veteran bridge, Ryan Fitzpatrick, to play the 2019 season..until they drafted their QBOTF a year later. 

2. Two years ago the Lions, who had double digit losses 4 straight seasons, traded Matt Stafford to the Rams. However, the Lions got back Jared Goff, who had been to two Pro Bowls and a Super Bowl. 
Trey Lance hasn’t even proven he can play in the NFL yet. Nor have any of the QBs in the 2023 draft. Draft a QBOTF to sit behind Cousins? All for it. But forget trading Kirk Cousins for draft picks…or Lance. It won’t happen. Unless Kwesi has lost his fucking mind. Find a bridge and we can at least talk. 

I get it, but the team is clearly keeping options open and one of those options COULD be Lance + draft picks for Cousins. There has certainly been some smoke. If the Vikings thought Cousins was great and could take them to where they wanted to go, he'd already be signed on an extension. The fact that he's not obviously tells us all options are on the table at this point in acquiring a young, high upside QB. 

I'm betting a potential trade was discussed at the Combine, but we didn't entertain it until we saw how the quarterback pool played out in the draft as maybe, for example, we prefer Will Levis to Lance as a prospect and we are holding tight to see if we had a chance to land him first. Trading Kirk on Combine weekend would have been premature, and I doubt anything ultimately happens, but the fact that there was dialogue between the teams would lead you to believe that it could resurface as the draft gets closer or on draft day itself. And if a trade happened the Vikings still could bring in a veteran quarterback if Lance wasn't quite ready or they wanted a vet on the bench to help coach him up. There are options 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said: Was listening to Soloman Wilcots and Bill Polian on NFL Radio this morning and they brought up the Cousins to the 49ers rumor. Polian stated he still believes Shannahan would want a reliable veteran with Purdy being out (maybe all season) and says Cousins to SF would make a ton of sense for both teams as he stated the Vikings would want Lance and to have a QB on their rookie deal still. Polian stated Sam Darnold throws too many interceptions to be a reliable option. Stated the biggest obstacle in making that deal wouldn't be compensation, but getting Cousins salary manageable enough to make the trade work. 

Stay tuned, this might not be a dead deal 

I don't care who they are, but these guys are morons if they think this makes sense for the Vikings. Sure, put Kirk on the 49ers. They're instant Super Bowl favorites and they throw a sheet over what might have been their biggest mistake. 

How does it make sense for the Vikings? I can see the headline now: "13-win team trades its 34-year-old, 4X Pro Bowl QB for complete unknown. Reaction from Justin Jefferson at 11."

If there has been talk, and I'm not saying there has been, it's much more likely about Vikings trading picks for Lance. But I'm betting that this is contingent upon the Vikings finding a QB in the draft. Weird things can happen to your best-laid plans in the draft. I suspect Lance is a backup option.

I think it all depends on how you view the team for this upcoming season on if it would be something that made sense or not. I personally think we take a step back this upcoming season. If you read the tea leaves, it's obvious the preference of Kwesi is to find a high upside QB on a rookie deal and get off the big money they are paying Cousins. I think he knows what Kirk is, understands age is a factor, and if he was really sold on Cousins moving forward he would just come out and say "Kirk is my guy" and already have him signed to an extension. The fact that neither has happened is telling. If they wanted to roll the dice on Lance and it took Kirk to get it done (with additional picks coming our way) then I think he'd do it. I don't expect any of this to happen, but the fact that it keeps being brought up makes it intriguing. 

There have been dozens of QB trades in history, but every one happened because the QB was disgruntled and refused to play for his current team, the team collapsed and wanted to rebuild, or the team trading the QB had another QB ready to take his place. 

Montana to the Chiefs only because of Steve Young. Carson Palmer to the Raiders because Andy Dalton. Bradford to the Vikings because Wentz, Alex Smith to Washington because Mahomes. Bledsoe to the Bills because Brady. Jay Cutler to the Bears only because of a feud between him and McDaniel. And they got Kyle Orton back, who had started 31 games and actually had a winning record. In other words, an acceptable bridge QB…until they could draft their next bust (Tebow, Osweiller, Lynch...wow).

In fact, going back 60 years of QB trades, I can only find two that are even remotely similar to what this would be. 

1. Miami trading Ryan Tannehill to the Titans in 2019. Tannehill was a former 1st rounder, but up to this point, had been a moderate bust, missing several games and all of 2017 due to injury. What’s more, the Dolphins were a losing team over this time, not a 13-win team. But even then, in order to remain competitive, they brought in proven veteran bridge, Ryan Fitzpatrick, to play the 2019 season..until they drafted their QBOTF a year later. 

2. Two years ago the Lions, who had double digit losses 4 straight seasons, traded Matt Stafford to the Rams. However, the Lions got back Jared Goff, who had been to two Pro Bowls and a Super Bowl. 
Trey Lance hasn’t even proven he can play in the NFL yet. Nor have any of the QBs in the 2023 draft. Draft a QBOTF to sit behind Cousins? All for it. But forget trading Kirk Cousins for draft picks…or Lance. It won’t happen. Unless Kwesi has lost his fucking mind. Find a bridge and we can at least talk. 

I get it, but the team is clearly keeping options open and one of those options COULD be Lance + draft picks for Cousins. There has certainly been some smoke. If the Vikings thought Cousins was great and could take them to where they wanted to go, he'd already be signed on an extension. The fact that he's not obviously tells us all options are on the table at this point in acquiring a young, high upside QB. 

I'm betting a potential trade was discussed at the Combine, but we didn't entertain it until we saw how the quarterback pool played out in the draft as maybe, for example, we prefer Will Levis to Lance as a prospect and we are holding tight to see if we had a chance to land him first. Trading Kirk on Combine weekend would have been premature, and I doubt anything ultimately happens, but the fact that there was dialogue between the teams would lead you to believe that it could resurface as the draft gets closer or on draft day itself. And if a trade happened the Vikings still could bring in a veteran quarterback if Lance wasn't quite ready or they wanted a vet on the bench to help coach him up. There are options 

I don't doubt the teams have been talking. I only doubt it involves Cousins. It makes sense the Vikings might consider Lance a viable option alongside the QBs in this draft class. 

But if the 49ers are convinced their road to the Super Bowl is Kirk Cousins at QB, and they're willing to pay big for that, I guess I'd listen. But again, it doesn't work without a bridge. Trey Lance could still be Patrick Mahomes; he could also still be Josh Rosen. No one knows. 

And it seems awfully silly for a 13-win team with the NFL's best WR, and a premier TE, and an offensive line, which for the first time in a decade, will return all five starters, to get rid of its 4X Pro Bowl QB and replace him with...a question mark.  I mean, really??? Man, if that happens this team is truly cursed. 

And let's not forget, Trey has talent. Big arm, uses his legs well, and is still only 22 years old...younger then both Hooker and Will Levis