Lamar Jacko
Baltimore put the non-exclusive franchise tag on him. Which means they can match any offer or accept 2 first round picks from the offering team.
He's easily worth #23 this year and our first round pick next year. The problem becomes fitting him under the cap along with Hock, Darrisaw, and especially JJ. Not sure we can do it honestly but in a vacuum-- 26 year-old Lamar at $45M versus 35 year-old Kirk at $40M is a no-brainer. If we found a trade partner for KC and got some picks back it miiiiight be feasible. This is the type of big swing many fans have been waiting for. Not sure if this is "our pitch" but it'd sure be fun right? The stands would finally be full of #8 jerseys...
I dont see him going anywhere, but you never know.
@"medaille" said:@"MaroonBells" said: Wow, who wouldn't pay two 1sts for Jackson? What the hell are the Ravens thinking? They’re thinking Jackson has overinflated ideas of his value and they can’t pay him what he thinks he’s worth and it could become toxic. They’re going to tag him because this allows him to negotiate on the market and realize that his true worth is closer to what the Ravens were offering, and once his true value is appraised, they can sign him to that contract.
That is likely what the Ravens are doing. That said, they've opened themselves up to some team offering a stupid contract and being left without a QB if the structure doesn't fit within their cap planning.I think the Ravens and Lamar are at an impasse on his value. Part of that is Jackson trying to negotiate his own contract without an agent. Too many emotions when the player is the one having these discussions.
Jackson has some limitations as a passer, but he more than makes up for it with his big play ability. It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out.
Does Lamar at 45 or 50 allow for the marked improvements to the D? Not likely,, Or a more consistent running game? Possibly.
He would immediately make our OL pass pro look better as he provides the mobility that KC just doesn't have, but IMO he is a step backwards in passing ability.
I think he improves the position, but likely at the expense of improving the team much over all, so despite it being an exciting move, I doubt this makes us SB contenders for the next 5 to 7 years.
@"MaroonBells" said:Absolutely. The Ravens and Jackson couldn’t agree on his value. Now the market will dictate what he’s actually worth and I’d be 100% surprised if they didn’t match it.@"AGRforever" said:True...and I'm guessing they probably match. But that has to be a little scary for the Ravens considering there are 10 teams with over $20M in cap space. Two with over $50M.@"MaroonBells" said: Wow, who wouldn't pay two 1sts for Jackson? What the hell are the Ravens thinking? It’s only two first rounders if they choose not to match Jackson’s salary
@"dadevike" said:Not to mention he doesn’t have an agent. Theres a lot riding on him not getting the richest deal ever. Imagine if athletes found out the dont need an agent?@"MaroonBells" said: Wow, who wouldn't pay two 1sts for Jackson? What the hell are the Ravens thinking? It's almost as if Steve Biscotti knew that none of his 31 fellow billionaire partners/competitors would give Lamar a huge fully guaranteed contract, even though some teams have said they would look at every option to bring in a veteran QB and other teams had already done such a thing. Weird. What coincidence. Definitely not a "gentlemen's agreement" to preclude competition. That would be collusion and could be illegal (I say "could be" because I assume the issue would go to arbitration and Goodell would get to choose the arbitrator).
@"dadevike" said:Yeah this seems to be what's happening but all it takes is one owner to say screw it, like the Browns did with Watson. To @JimmyinSD's point, it would be expensive for sure. Paying a QB what Lamar wants means you need to nail a lot of your draft picks. Unfortunately the Vikings would be without a first or second this year, and a first next year. It would be a gamble for sure and we're far from in perfect position to do it. That doesn't mean Lamar isn't worth it though. The jersey sales alone would be crazy bank for ownership. As far as on field-- yes we'd have to trade Kirk for hopefully a 3rd then use all of the picks we can muster to add cost-controlled talent to the defense. Dalvin and Adam would be gone. Trading Hunter for a 2nd would hurt, but might be necessary. It WOULD make the Vikings fun, it MIGHT make the Vikings contenders. Definitely not a guarantee. But we aren't really contenders now so there isn't much downside IMO. I don't think it will happen, mostly due to dadevike's theory above, but also because I think Baltimore will move heaven and earth to match any offer. But seeing Lamar flying around US Bank the way Vick did against us in the Dome so many years ago would be a helluva lot of fun. Hockenson would put up Andrews numbers and JJ's stats would be even more out of this world, methinks.@"MaroonBells" said: Wow, who wouldn't pay two 1sts for Jackson? What the hell are the Ravens thinking? It's almost as if Steve Biscotti knew that none of his 31 fellow billionaire partners/competitors would give Lamar a huge fully guaranteed contract, even though some teams have said they would look at every option to bring in a veteran QB and other teams had already done such a thing. Weird. What coincidence. Definitely not a "gentlemen's agreement" to preclude competition. That would be collusion and could be illegal (I say "could be" because I assume the issue would go to arbitration and Goodell would get to choose the arbitrator).
The part I don’t really understand is how everything all
plays out in terms of matching the contract.
Do you have to match it exactly or can structure it slightly
differently. Can some team poison pill
the other team or is that off the table?
Can you offer Jackson $80M base salary in year one or something that
most teams would find hard to match? How
much time does Baltimore have to figure things out? How much time do other teams have to negotiate
a contract? Like if you sign him
tomorrow, can Baltimore wait until after the draft to let you know if they’re
matching? Can they wait until 5 minutes
before the draft so you don’t know if you have your 1st round pick
for this year or not?
@"pattersaur" said:You would also have to hope that Lamar doesn't suffer a significant injury as running QBs are prone to do. I think that also has played into the Ravens reluctance to commit to a guaranteed contract, Lamar has missed games the past couple of seasons due to injury.@"dadevike" said:Yeah this seems to be what's happening but all it takes is one owner to say screw it, like the Browns did with Watson. To @JimmyinSD's point, it would be expensive for sure. Paying a QB what Lamar wants means you need to nail a lot of your draft picks. Unfortunately the Vikings would be without a first or second this year, and a first next year. It would be a gamble for sure and we're far from in perfect position to do it. That doesn't mean Lamar isn't worth it though. The jersey sales alone would be crazy bank for ownership. As far as on field-- yes we'd have to trade Kirk for hopefully a 3rd then use all of the picks we can muster to add cost-controlled talent to the defense. Dalvin and Adam would be gone. Trading Hunter for a 2nd would hurt, but might be necessary. It WOULD make the Vikings fun, it MIGHT make the Vikings contenders. Definitely not a guarantee. But we aren't really contenders now so there isn't much downside IMO. I don't think it will happen, mostly due to dadevike's theory above, but also because I think Baltimore will move heaven and earth to match any offer. But seeing Lamar flying around US Bank the way Vick did against us in the Dome so many years ago would be a helluva lot of fun. Hockenson would put up Andrews numbers and JJ's stats would be even more out of this world, methinks.@"MaroonBells" said: Wow, who wouldn't pay two 1sts for Jackson? What the hell are the Ravens thinking? It's almost as if Steve Biscotti knew that none of his 31 fellow billionaire partners/competitors would give Lamar a huge fully guaranteed contract, even though some teams have said they would look at every option to bring in a veteran QB and other teams had already done such a thing. Weird. What coincidence. Definitely not a "gentlemen's agreement" to preclude competition. That would be collusion and could be illegal (I say "could be" because I assume the issue would go to arbitration and Goodell would get to choose the arbitrator).
@"medaille" said: The part I don’t really understand is how everything all plays out in terms of matching the contract. Do you have to match it exactly or can structure it slightly differently. Can some team poison pill the other team or is that off the table? Can you offer Jackson $80M base salary in year one or something that most teams would find hard to match? How much time does Baltimore have to figure things out? How much time do other teams have to negotiate a contract? Like if you sign him tomorrow, can Baltimore wait until after the draft to let you know if they’re matching? Can they wait until 5 minutes before the draft so you don’t know if you have your 1st round pick for this year or not?
The league made poison pills illegal after the Hutch/Burleson contracts.
@"greediron" said:@"medaille" said: The part I don’t really understand is how everything all plays out in terms of matching the contract. Do you have to match it exactly or can structure it slightly differently. Can some team poison pill the other team or is that off the table? Can you offer Jackson $80M base salary in year one or something that most teams would find hard to match? How much time does Baltimore have to figure things out? How much time do other teams have to negotiate a contract? Like if you sign him tomorrow, can Baltimore wait until after the draft to let you know if they’re matching? Can they wait until 5 minutes before the draft so you don’t know if you have your 1st round pick for this year or not?
The league made poison pills illegal after the Hutch/Burleson contracts.
How is the poison pill defined?
@"PurplePastor" said:@"greediron" said:@"medaille" said: The part I don’t really understand is how everything all plays out in terms of matching the contract. Do you have to match it exactly or can structure it slightly differently. Can some team poison pill the other team or is that off the table? Can you offer Jackson $80M base salary in year one or something that most teams would find hard to match? How much time does Baltimore have to figure things out? How much time do other teams have to negotiate a contract? Like if you sign him tomorrow, can Baltimore wait until after the draft to let you know if they’re matching? Can they wait until 5 minutes before the draft so you don’t know if you have your 1st round pick for this year or not?
The league made poison pills illegal after the Hutch/Burleson contracts.
How is the poison pill defined?
I could see a team offering huge money in year one to screw Baltimore. I could also see that blowing up if say its a 5 year deal with $100m in year 1 and $35m a year for 2-5. But Lamar holding out when $35/yr isn’t enough in year 5.
@"PurplePastor" said:@"greediron" said:@"medaille" said: The part I don’t really understand is how everything all plays out in terms of matching the contract. Do you have to match it exactly or can structure it slightly differently. Can some team poison pill the other team or is that off the table? Can you offer Jackson $80M base salary in year one or something that most teams would find hard to match? How much time does Baltimore have to figure things out? How much time do other teams have to negotiate a contract? Like if you sign him tomorrow, can Baltimore wait until after the draft to let you know if they’re matching? Can they wait until 5 minutes before the draft so you don’t know if you have your 1st round pick for this year or not?
The league made poison pills illegal after the Hutch/Burleson contracts.
How is the poison pill defined?
(iii) Notwithstanding Subsections (i) and (ii) above, no Offer Sheet may contain a Principal Term that would create rights or obligations for the Old Club that differ
in any way (including but not limited to the amount of compensation that would be paid,
the circumstances in which compensation would be guaranteed, or the circumstances in
which other contractual rights would or would not vest) from the rights or obligations that
such Principal Term would create for the Club extending the Offer Sheet (i.e., no “poison
pills”).
@"PurplePastor" said:@"greediron" said:@"medaille" said: The part I don’t really understand is how everything all plays out in terms of matching the contract. Do you have to match it exactly or can structure it slightly differently. Can some team poison pill the other team or is that off the table? Can you offer Jackson $80M base salary in year one or something that most teams would find hard to match? How much time does Baltimore have to figure things out? How much time do other teams have to negotiate a contract? Like if you sign him tomorrow, can Baltimore wait until after the draft to let you know if they’re matching? Can they wait until 5 minutes before the draft so you don’t know if you have your 1st round pick for this year or not?
The league made poison pills illegal after the Hutch/Burleson contracts.
How is the poison pill defined?
The Vikings put the poison pill clause in Hutchinson's contract that made it fully guaranteed if he wasn't the highest-paid offensive lineman on the team. Hutchinson's 7-year, $49 million contract was smaller than Jones' deal. Therefore, there was no way for them to work around it
Just reading on Fanside that Detroit is in a great position to get Lamar and still pick 6th, give up the 18th this year and if they are as competitive or better a mid 20 first they next. They also have quite a bit of cap room to work with already, 10th most.
@"BigAl99" said: Just reading on Fanside that Detroit is in a great position to get Lamar and still pick 6th, give up the 18th this year and if they are as competitive or better a mid 20 first they next. They also have quite a bit of cap room to work with already, 10th most.well that would suck
@"BigAl99" said: Just reading on Fanside that Detroit is in a great position to get Lamar and still pick 6th, give up the 18th this year and if they are as competitive or better a mid 20 first they next. They also have quite a bit of cap room to work with already, 10th most.
@"Kentis" said:@"BigAl99" said: Just reading on Fanside that Detroit is in a great position to get Lamar and still pick 6th, give up the 18th this year and if they are as competitive or better a mid 20 first they next. They also have quite a bit of cap room to work with already, 10th most.I know, and I laughed at the thought of Detroit being a rivalry. Yeah and all the Dan Campbell knee biter jokes, I would hate that flavor of crow.
Detroit is dynamic on offense, with decent playmakers. Goff spreads it around smartly. Campbell has them playing hard. But we've all seen what happens to some teams year to year: up and coming one year, shit the next and vice versa. Might happen to Minnesota as well.
Rumor mill in overdrive: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2023-nfl-free-agency-rumors-rams-gm-calls-matthew-stafford-one-of-las-pillars-despite-trade-chatter/
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