Interesting re: Kwesi/JJ dynamic
One interesting note from #Vikings GM Kwesi Adofo-Mensah‘s side session with beat writers at the combine: He said the team will keep Justin Jefferson in its conversations about roster-building, adding, “He’s a unique enough player that I think that’s probably right.”
— Ben Goessling (@BenGoessling) February 28, 2023
Adofo-Mensah on Jefferson: “He’s aligned with Kevin and I and the Wilfs. He just wants to win. It’s the coolest thing to be around. So for certain, he’s someone we’ll keep in all our conversations. We treat everybody with respect and we understand we need their buy-in.”
— Ben Goessling (@BenGoessling) February 28, 2023
This kid just wants it. Its a big reason why he's so good. Keep him in the loop, its smart.....get some opinions, information and then pull the trigger. Its what good leaders do.
Not sure if he wasn’t referring to building around him vs his “input” on decisions … many moves have to come before Jefferson’s inevitable extension.
Vikings GM: Extension for WR Justin Jefferson a 'high priority'If there was any doubt about the Vikings' plans for All-Pro receiver Justin Jefferson, who became eligible for a contract extension after finishing his third NFL season, general manager Kwesi Adofo-Mensah cleared it up Tuesday.
"I don't want to be the Vikings' GM without that guy on our team," Adofo-Mensah said while speaking to reporters at the NFL scouting combine. "So it's a high priority. We've got to make sure we do in the order that we can do it in, obviously, given all of our other decisions we have to make."
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35753361/vikings-gm-extension-wr-justin-jefferson-high-priority
Everyone wants to win until they have to make a business decision that affects their kids and grandkids. We'll see how much less than market value JJ wants to take to win. But it's definitely better to have that drive to win than to be lazy and comfortable.
@"medaille" said: Everyone wants to win until they have to make a business decision that affects their kids and grandkids. We'll see how much less than market value JJ wants to take to win. But it's definitely better to have that drive to win than to be lazy and comfortable.You really think he's going to get less than market value? I think he's going to break the market. Highest paid non QB in history.
@"MaroonBells" said:Yah, JJ contract may look like something out of MLB...@"medaille" said: Everyone wants to win until they have to make a business decision that affects their kids and grandkids. We'll see how much less than market value JJ wants to take to win. But it's definitely better to have that drive to win than to be lazy and comfortable. You really think he's going to get less than market value? I think he's going to break the market. Highest paid non QB in history.
@"medaille" said: Everyone wants to win until they have to make a business decision that affects their kids and grandkids. We'll see how much less than market value JJ wants to take to win. But it's definitely better to have that drive to win than to be lazy and comfortable.I've been listening to this want to win talk for 18 years with this ownership. If 'wanting' was all it took we'd have 18 Lombardi's.
@"MaroonBells" said:How did you read what I wrote and think I suggested he'll actually take less than market value? I'm saying it's easy to want to win. Everyone wants to win. Tom Brady wanted to win so much that he voluntarily got paid less, so that his team could have a better chance at winning. I don't think JJ wants to win as much as Brady did, to make the sacrifices Brady did in the desire to win, because almost no player makes those sacrifices, and in that regard I agree with you, he'll probably break the market. Do I blame him. Absolutely not. Go get that money, but it's an offseason fluff piece to say he wants to win.@"medaille" said: Everyone wants to win until they have to make a business decision that affects their kids and grandkids. We'll see how much less than market value JJ wants to take to win. But it's definitely better to have that drive to win than to be lazy and comfortable. You really think he's going to get less than market value? I think he's going to break the market. Highest paid non QB in history.
@"medaille" said:Apparently, I do have reading issues because I'm still not sure what it is you're saying. Yes, of course it's an offseason fluff piece. That much I understand. The rest sounds like you're saying he wants to win, but not as much as Brady, not enough to take less money. Is that pretty much it?@"MaroonBells" said:How did you read what I wrote and think I suggested he'll actually take less than market value? I'm saying it's easy to want to win. Everyone wants to win. Tom Brady wanted to win so much that he voluntarily got paid less, so that his team could have a better chance at winning. I don't think JJ wants to win as much as Brady did, to make the sacrifices Brady did in the desire to win, because almost no player makes those sacrifices, and in that regard I agree with you, he'll probably break the market. Do I blame him. Absolutely not. Go get that money, but it's an offseason fluff piece to say he wants to win.@"medaille" said: Everyone wants to win until they have to make a business decision that affects their kids and grandkids. We'll see how much less than market value JJ wants to take to win. But it's definitely better to have that drive to win than to be lazy and comfortable. You really think he's going to get less than market value? I think he's going to break the market. Highest paid non QB in history.To that I would only say that JJ is 23 years old. This is his first real pay day and he could blowout a knee tomorrow. In the handful of cases where a player takes less to help the team, it's likely about many things in addition to a commitment to winning, like where a player is on his career timeline, history of income, and in Brady's case, household income.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"medaille" said:Apparently, I do have reading issues because I'm still not sure what it is you're saying. Yes, of course it's an offseason fluff piece. That much I understand. The rest sounds like you're saying he wants to win, but not as much as Brady, not enough to take less money. Is that pretty much it?@"MaroonBells" said:How did you read what I wrote and think I suggested he'll actually take less than market value? I'm saying it's easy to want to win. Everyone wants to win. Tom Brady wanted to win so much that he voluntarily got paid less, so that his team could have a better chance at winning. I don't think JJ wants to win as much as Brady did, to make the sacrifices Brady did in the desire to win, because almost no player makes those sacrifices, and in that regard I agree with you, he'll probably break the market. Do I blame him. Absolutely not. Go get that money, but it's an offseason fluff piece to say he wants to win.@"medaille" said: Everyone wants to win until they have to make a business decision that affects their kids and grandkids. We'll see how much less than market value JJ wants to take to win. But it's definitely better to have that drive to win than to be lazy and comfortable. You really think he's going to get less than market value? I think he's going to break the market. Highest paid non QB in history.To that I would only say that JJ is 23 years old. This is his first real pay day and he could blowout a knee tomorrow. In the handful of cases where a player takes less to help the team, it's likely about many things in addition to a commitment to winning, like where a player is on his career timeline, history of income, and in Brady's case, household income.
Fans crack me up. 'Take less!', they say......such a load of horseshit. How much money does a person need, they say. Its not for you to decide as a fan, its market value and putting your health on the line, especially after like 50. CTE. Short careers. Such a naive thing to say and super hypocritical (those saying that).
@"MaroonBells" said:@"medaille" said:Apparently, I do have reading issues because I'm still not sure what it is you're saying. Yes, of course it's an offseason fluff piece. That much I understand. The rest sounds like you're saying he wants to win, but not as much as Brady, not enough to take less money. Is that pretty much it?@"MaroonBells" said:How did you read what I wrote and think I suggested he'll actually take less than market value? I'm saying it's easy to want to win. Everyone wants to win. Tom Brady wanted to win so much that he voluntarily got paid less, so that his team could have a better chance at winning. I don't think JJ wants to win as much as Brady did, to make the sacrifices Brady did in the desire to win, because almost no player makes those sacrifices, and in that regard I agree with you, he'll probably break the market. Do I blame him. Absolutely not. Go get that money, but it's an offseason fluff piece to say he wants to win.@"medaille" said: Everyone wants to win until they have to make a business decision that affects their kids and grandkids. We'll see how much less than market value JJ wants to take to win. But it's definitely better to have that drive to win than to be lazy and comfortable. You really think he's going to get less than market value? I think he's going to break the market. Highest paid non QB in history.To that I would only say that JJ is 23 years old. This is his first real pay day and he could blowout a knee tomorrow. In the handful of cases where a player takes less to help the team, it's likely about many things in addition to a commitment to winning, like where a player is on his career timeline, history of income, and in Brady's case, household income.
not for certain, and am not going to bother going to look it up, but IIRC Tom took his first pay cuts prior to marrying Gisele, I think it was just a smart business move for him, he could have kept an extra few million a year, but how much more has he made over the last 15 years or so because he was able to make himself into the GOAT? his taking a pay cut was an investment into his future and it paid off in spades.even look at KC, lets say he does want to play into his 40s, how many more years would he be able to play, taking the hits he has take the last 2 years? how many years would it extend his career if he were able to get his half as much? if he were to take 10 million less per year, and as a result able to play 3 or 4 additional years, that would yield quite a nice return, and possibly more than just football money, if he were to show some success and marketability, then there is even more money. KC took about 130 hits this season IIRC, I know he is the iron man, but he is becoming the old iron man and those dents are going to start to show.
This just in: "All the Vikings want to win real real hard." Pretty sweet. better than those other teams whose players aren't as committed. Lets start building the trophy case.
i think you have to make him highest paid Wr, or very close to it. I will say that Jaire Alexander handled him and not sure i would use it against him, But, it’s something to take into consideration
@"Bullazin" said: i think you have to make him highest paid Wr, or very close to it. I will say that Jaire Alexander handled him and not sure i would use it against him, But, it’s something to take into considerationdid he really, or was it Jaire and a Safety over the top or a LB underneath? there was at least 1 CB claim to have handled JJ, but after further review it took a village.
@"JimmyinSD" said:i had heard that also. i havent seen a Bercich breakdown or the all 22. I can only say what i saw which was that JA was physical off the line, kept in trail coverage, beat him at ball arrival and otherwise stuck to him like glue. JJ was frustrated, as he was whipped.@"Bullazin" said: i think you have to make him highest paid Wr, or very close to it. I will say that Jaire Alexander handled him and not sure i would use it against him, But, it’s something to take into consideration did he really, or was it Jaire and a Safety over the top or a LB underneath? there was at least 1 CB claim to have handled JJ, but after further review it took a village.that all said, JA is all pro, maybe 1st team so there is that.
JJ respect from Darius Slay
#Eagles star CB Darius Slay’s top 5 WRs he faced last season:
— MLFootball (@MLFootball) March 2, 2023
1) #Vikings Justin Jefferson
2) #Commanders Terry McLaurin
3) #Cowboys CeeDee Lamb
4) #Steelers Diontae Johnson
5) #Saints Chris Olave
pic.twitter.com/5rHIOURKJ1
Edit Post (mod action — author will see a notice)
Warn Poster
Suspend User (3 days)
The user will be suspended for 3 days and will receive an email with the reason and information about how to appeal.