Thielen retiring a Viking?

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It sounds like the Vikings are trying to make this happen. Stay tuned. 

Love to have him back. But I have my doubts this will work out. I tend to think the gap between what the Vikings should spend and Thielen's value on the market is significant. Probably depends a lot on how much money Thielen is willing to leave on the table to stay in Minnesota. 

I think we’re more all in and less rebuilding than a lot of
people think.  I think we’ll ride this
train until we’re ready to get off the kirk train, and then do a more
substantiative rebuild.  Overthecap
values him at something like $12.5M, which I think we’d probably do and I don't think the market would go too much higher.

@"medaille" said: I think we’re more all in and less rebuilding than a lot of people think.  I think we’ll ride this train until we’re ready to get off the kirk train, and then do a more substantiative rebuild.  Overthecap values him at something like $12.5M, which I think we’d probably do and I don't think the market would go too much higher.

His base right now is just short of 12M,  so really he is already at market price,  its the 4 mill in signing bonus thats prorated, plus a roster bonus,  plus money from his last restructure and a small workout bonus thats the issue.  Wont get away from the prorated SB.

His market value is in the $6-8M range on a 1 year deal, probably closer to $6M. Vikings save $6.5M cutting his now but would have to add a player to the 53-man roster so that nets out to only saves them around $5.7M on the cap. There is probably enough momentum to get something done with the assumption Thielen isn't looking for above market value. 

Say they reduce his base salary down to $6M (market) guarantee and reduce his per game bonuses to $500K but then sweeten with a $1M incentive for reaching 725 yards in 2023 with another $500K if he reaches 1K yards. That gives him a chance to earn a good portion of the money back. On the cap that reduces his hit from $19.9M to 13.2M which actually saves them $300K more than cutting him pre June-1. 

Point is, I think it probably benefits the Vikings to work something out even if Thielen is more of a 2B receiver than the high-end WR2 he was in the past. By 2024 his dead money is only $7M which makes moving on a bit easier. The only real constraint they are working with this off-season is they can't really kick money into the future since they probably already did it one too many times. 

@"Geoff Nichols" said: His market value is in the $6-8M range on a 1 year deal, probably closer to $6M. Vikings save $6.5M cutting his now but would have to add a player to the 53-man roster so that nets out to only saves them around $5.7M on the cap. There is probably enough momentum to get something done with the assumption Thielen isn't looking for above market value. 

Say they reduce his base salary down to $6M (market) guarantee and reduce his per game bonuses to $500K but then sweeten with a $1M incentive for reaching 725 yards in 2023 with another $500K if he reaches 1K yards. That gives him a chance to earn a good portion of the money back. On the cap that reduces his hit from $19.9M to 13.2M which actually saves them $300K more than cutting him pre June-1. 

Point is, I think it probably benefits the Vikings to work something out even if Thielen is more of a 2B receiver than the high-end WR2 he was in the past. By 2024 his dead money is only $7M which makes moving on a bit easier. The only real constraint they are working with this off-season is they can't really kick money into the future since they probably already did it one too many times. 

This seems right. But it also depends upon the parties have similar ideas re how much AT could get as a FA. The Vikings may be thinking we will not pay him more than, say, $8M and we know he can get $6M as a FA. So there is our negotiating window, low end $6M; top end $8M. But if AT thinks he can get at least $9M in FA, then they will not reach an agreement.

The point is that both parties need to have a similar view of what AT could get in FA.

@"dadevike" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: His market value is in the $6-8M range on a 1 year deal, probably closer to $6M. Vikings save $6.5M cutting his now but would have to add a player to the 53-man roster so that nets out to only saves them around $5.7M on the cap. There is probably enough momentum to get something done with the assumption Thielen isn't looking for above market value. 

Say they reduce his base salary down to $6M (market) guarantee and reduce his per game bonuses to $500K but then sweeten with a $1M incentive for reaching 725 yards in 2023 with another $500K if he reaches 1K yards. That gives him a chance to earn a good portion of the money back. On the cap that reduces his hit from $19.9M to 13.2M which actually saves them $300K more than cutting him pre June-1. 

Point is, I think it probably benefits the Vikings to work something out even if Thielen is more of a 2B receiver than the high-end WR2 he was in the past. By 2024 his dead money is only $7M which makes moving on a bit easier. The only real constraint they are working with this off-season is they can't really kick money into the future since they probably already did it one too many times. 

This seems right. But it also depends upon the parties have similar ideas re how much AT could get as a FA. The Vikings may be thinking we will not pay him more than, say, $8M and we know he can get $6M as a FA. So there is our negotiating window, low end $6M; top end $8M. But if AT thinks he can get at least $9M in FA, then they will not reach an agreement.

The point is that both parties need to have a similar view of what AT could get in FA.

@"dadevike" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: His market value is in the $6-8M range on a 1 year deal, probably closer to $6M. Vikings save $6.5M cutting his now but would have to add a player to the 53-man roster so that nets out to only saves them around $5.7M on the cap. There is probably enough momentum to get something done with the assumption Thielen isn't looking for above market value. 

Say they reduce his base salary down to $6M (market) guarantee and reduce his per game bonuses to $500K but then sweeten with a $1M incentive for reaching 725 yards in 2023 with another $500K if he reaches 1K yards. That gives him a chance to earn a good portion of the money back. On the cap that reduces his hit from $19.9M to 13.2M which actually saves them $300K more than cutting him pre June-1. 

Point is, I think it probably benefits the Vikings to work something out even if Thielen is more of a 2B receiver than the high-end WR2 he was in the past. By 2024 his dead money is only $7M which makes moving on a bit easier. The only real constraint they are working with this off-season is they can't really kick money into the future since they probably already did it one too many times. 

This seems right. But it also depends upon the parties have similar ideas re how much AT could get as a FA. The Vikings may be thinking we will not pay him more than, say, $8M and we know he can get $6M as a FA. So there is our negotiating window, low end $6M; top end $8M. But if AT thinks he can get at least $9M in FA, then they will not reach an agreement.

The point is that both parties need to have a similar view of what AT could get in FA.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"dadevike" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: His market value is in the $6-8M range on a 1 year deal, probably closer to $6M. Vikings save $6.5M cutting his now but would have to add a player to the 53-man roster so that nets out to only saves them around $5.7M on the cap. There is probably enough momentum to get something done with the assumption Thielen isn't looking for above market value. 

Say they reduce his base salary down to $6M (market) guarantee and reduce his per game bonuses to $500K but then sweeten with a $1M incentive for reaching 725 yards in 2023 with another $500K if he reaches 1K yards. That gives him a chance to earn a good portion of the money back. On the cap that reduces his hit from $19.9M to 13.2M which actually saves them $300K more than cutting him pre June-1. 

Point is, I think it probably benefits the Vikings to work something out even if Thielen is more of a 2B receiver than the high-end WR2 he was in the past. By 2024 his dead money is only $7M which makes moving on a bit easier. The only real constraint they are working with this off-season is they can't really kick money into the future since they probably already did it one too many times. 

This seems right. But it also depends upon the parties have similar ideas re how much AT could get as a FA. The Vikings may be thinking we will not pay him more than, say, $8M and we know he can get $6M as a FA. So there is our negotiating window, low end $6M; top end $8M. But if AT thinks he can get at least $9M in FA, then they will not reach an agreement.

The point is that both parties need to have a similar view of what AT could get in FA.

I doubt MN has to be the best offer.  He has to look at the costs of moving his family to a new town, learn a new system on a team that wont be as forgiving for his declining athleticism, i am betting if his agent puts out some feelers for his value and the Vikings are even close then he stays here.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"dadevike" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: His market value is in the $6-8M range on a 1 year deal, probably closer to $6M. Vikings save $6.5M cutting his now but would have to add a player to the 53-man roster so that nets out to only saves them around $5.7M on the cap. There is probably enough momentum to get something done with the assumption Thielen isn't looking for above market value. 

Say they reduce his base salary down to $6M (market) guarantee and reduce his per game bonuses to $500K but then sweeten with a $1M incentive for reaching 725 yards in 2023 with another $500K if he reaches 1K yards. That gives him a chance to earn a good portion of the money back. On the cap that reduces his hit from $19.9M to 13.2M which actually saves them $300K more than cutting him pre June-1. 

Point is, I think it probably benefits the Vikings to work something out even if Thielen is more of a 2B receiver than the high-end WR2 he was in the past. By 2024 his dead money is only $7M which makes moving on a bit easier. The only real constraint they are working with this off-season is they can't really kick money into the future since they probably already did it one too many times. 

This seems right. But it also depends upon the parties have similar ideas re how much AT could get as a FA. The Vikings may be thinking we will not pay him more than, say, $8M and we know he can get $6M as a FA. So there is our negotiating window, low end $6M; top end $8M. But if AT thinks he can get at least $9M in FA, then they will not reach an agreement.

The point is that both parties need to have a similar view of what AT could get in FA.

I doubt MN has to be the best offer.  He has to look at the costs of moving his family to a new town, learn a new system on a team that wont be as forgiving for his declining athleticism, i am betting if his agent puts out some feelers for his value and the Vikings are even close then he stays here.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"dadevike" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: His market value is in the $6-8M range on a 1 year deal, probably closer to $6M. Vikings save $6.5M cutting his now but would have to add a player to the 53-man roster so that nets out to only saves them around $5.7M on the cap. There is probably enough momentum to get something done with the assumption Thielen isn't looking for above market value. 

Say they reduce his base salary down to $6M (market) guarantee and reduce his per game bonuses to $500K but then sweeten with a $1M incentive for reaching 725 yards in 2023 with another $500K if he reaches 1K yards. That gives him a chance to earn a good portion of the money back. On the cap that reduces his hit from $19.9M to 13.2M which actually saves them $300K more than cutting him pre June-1. 

Point is, I think it probably benefits the Vikings to work something out even if Thielen is more of a 2B receiver than the high-end WR2 he was in the past. By 2024 his dead money is only $7M which makes moving on a bit easier. The only real constraint they are working with this off-season is they can't really kick money into the future since they probably already did it one too many times. 

This seems right. But it also depends upon the parties have similar ideas re how much AT could get as a FA. The Vikings may be thinking we will not pay him more than, say, $8M and we know he can get $6M as a FA. So there is our negotiating window, low end $6M; top end $8M. But if AT thinks he can get at least $9M in FA, then they will not reach an agreement.

The point is that both parties need to have a similar view of what AT could get in FA.

I doubt MN has to be the best offer.  He has to look at the costs of moving his family to a new town, learn a new system on a team that wont be as forgiving for his declining athleticism, i am betting if his agent puts out some feelers for his value and the Vikings are even close then he stays here.

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"dadevike" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: His market value is in the $6-8M range on a 1 year deal, probably closer to $6M. Vikings save $6.5M cutting his now but would have to add a player to the 53-man roster so that nets out to only saves them around $5.7M on the cap. There is probably enough momentum to get something done with the assumption Thielen isn't looking for above market value. 

Say they reduce his base salary down to $6M (market) guarantee and reduce his per game bonuses to $500K but then sweeten with a $1M incentive for reaching 725 yards in 2023 with another $500K if he reaches 1K yards. That gives him a chance to earn a good portion of the money back. On the cap that reduces his hit from $19.9M to 13.2M which actually saves them $300K more than cutting him pre June-1. 

Point is, I think it probably benefits the Vikings to work something out even if Thielen is more of a 2B receiver than the high-end WR2 he was in the past. By 2024 his dead money is only $7M which makes moving on a bit easier. The only real constraint they are working with this off-season is they can't really kick money into the future since they probably already did it one too many times. 

This seems right. But it also depends upon the parties have similar ideas re how much AT could get as a FA. The Vikings may be thinking we will not pay him more than, say, $8M and we know he can get $6M as a FA. So there is our negotiating window, low end $6M; top end $8M. But if AT thinks he can get at least $9M in FA, then they will not reach an agreement.

The point is that both parties need to have a similar view of what AT could get in FA.

I doubt MN has to be the best offer.  He has to look at the costs of moving his family to a new town, learn a new system on a team that wont be as forgiving for his declining athleticism, i am betting if his agent puts out some feelers for his value and the Vikings are even close then he stays here.

This is reasonable. At the combine they'll figure out what his market it outside of MN before making a decision. I just don't see teams lining up, but I could be wrong. 

I wouldn't think he needs the $ anymore...His kids and probably grandkids are set for life.  

Loved having him on the Vikings, a great local story. 

I just want a really good field stretcher to pair with JJ this year. I'm not losing sleep if Thielen is back or not. 

@"Geoff Nichols" said: His market value is in the $6-8M range on a 1 year deal, probably closer to $6M. Vikings save $6.5M cutting his now but would have to add a player to the 53-man roster so that nets out to only saves them around $5.7M on the cap. There is probably enough momentum to get something done with the assumption Thielen isn't looking for above market value. 

Say they reduce his base salary down to $6M (market) guarantee and reduce his per game bonuses to $500K but then sweeten with a $1M incentive for reaching 725 yards in 2023 with another $500K if he reaches 1K yards. That gives him a chance to earn a good portion of the money back. On the cap that reduces his hit from $19.9M to 13.2M which actually saves them $300K more than cutting him pre June-1. 

Point is, I think it probably benefits the Vikings to work something out even if Thielen is more of a 2B receiver than the high-end WR2 he was in the past. By 2024 his dead money is only $7M which makes moving on a bit easier. The only real constraint they are working with this off-season is they can't really kick money into the future since they probably already did it one too many times. 

This sounds reasonable but the one thing that should be mentioned is that he has to know it is going to be his last year unless he takes even less in 2024.

If they do not do a 2 year deal, then he may want to check out the market.

@"purplefaithful" said: I wouldn't think he needs the $ anymore...His kids and probably grandkids are set for life.  

Loved having him on the Vikings, a great local story. 

I just want a really good field stretcher to pair with JJ this year. I'm not losing sleep if Thielen is back or not. 

Has he really made that much,   after taxes and all?

@"MarkSP18" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: His market value is in the $6-8M range on a 1 year deal, probably closer to $6M. Vikings save $6.5M cutting his now but would have to add a player to the 53-man roster so that nets out to only saves them around $5.7M on the cap. There is probably enough momentum to get something done with the assumption Thielen isn't looking for above market value. 

Say they reduce his base salary down to $6M (market) guarantee and reduce his per game bonuses to $500K but then sweeten with a $1M incentive for reaching 725 yards in 2023 with another $500K if he reaches 1K yards. That gives him a chance to earn a good portion of the money back. On the cap that reduces his hit from $19.9M to 13.2M which actually saves them $300K more than cutting him pre June-1. 

Point is, I think it probably benefits the Vikings to work something out even if Thielen is more of a 2B receiver than the high-end WR2 he was in the past. By 2024 his dead money is only $7M which makes moving on a bit easier. The only real constraint they are working with this off-season is they can't really kick money into the future since they probably already did it one too many times. 

This sounds reasonable but the one thing that should be mentioned is that he has to know it is going to be his last year unless he takes even less in 2024.

If they do not do a 2 year deal, then he may want to check out the market.

@"pattersaur" said:

@"MarkSP18" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: His market value is in the $6-8M range on a 1 year deal, probably closer to $6M. Vikings save $6.5M cutting his now but would have to add a player to the 53-man roster so that nets out to only saves them around $5.7M on the cap. There is probably enough momentum to get something done with the assumption Thielen isn't looking for above market value. 

Say they reduce his base salary down to $6M (market) guarantee and reduce his per game bonuses to $500K but then sweeten with a $1M incentive for reaching 725 yards in 2023 with another $500K if he reaches 1K yards. That gives him a chance to earn a good portion of the money back. On the cap that reduces his hit from $19.9M to 13.2M which actually saves them $300K more than cutting him pre June-1. 

Point is, I think it probably benefits the Vikings to work something out even if Thielen is more of a 2B receiver than the high-end WR2 he was in the past. By 2024 his dead money is only $7M which makes moving on a bit easier. The only real constraint they are working with this off-season is they can't really kick money into the future since they probably already did it one too many times. 

This sounds reasonable but the one thing that should be mentioned is that he has to know it is going to be his last year unless he takes even less in 2024.

If they do not do a 2 year deal, then he may want to check out the market.

This is a good point. I'm sure he'd love to retire a Viking but if he thinks he can play for 2-3 more years, and the Vikings are only offering what will amount to one more year, then he might be inclined to just rip the bandaid off now and split.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: I wouldn't think he needs the $ anymore...His kids and probably grandkids are set for life.  

Loved having him on the Vikings, a great local story. 

I just want a really good field stretcher to pair with JJ this year. I'm not losing sleep if Thielen is back or not. 

Has he really made that much,   after taxes and all?