Vikes hiring Flores

@"JR44" said:You can't fire Zimmer for the reasons given 

You can fire him for not winning shit for 8 years.

Some people forget that Flores didn't want to lose games on purpose in Miami, the tampering with Brady, Stephen Ross being fined 1.5 million and the loss of draft picks. There was a whole lot of mess in Miami that wasn't Flores fault.

This is an awesome hire! It will be interesting to see if the right moves are made to give Flores the players he needs to run his aggressive defense. 

Now they need 4 or 5 young impact players.

I like it. Now lets see what he can do next season with no Hicks, Kendricks, PP, Sullivan, or Harry.  At least Flores won't have everybody just sit there in soft zone for 17 games.  If something or someone isn't working, it will be changed.

Great hire for the Vikings and for Flores.

Flores is only 41 years old.

Yes he was a head coach and   as experience that is a massive advantage.

FWIW this will be his first job as Defensive Coordinator.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Flores

Given the roster and salary cap  it will take him longer than a single season to do it.\

Maybe for both him and the Vikings that's  a good thing......

@"JR44" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"JR44" said: Pretty hypocritical of the organization to get rid of Zimmer and RS cause of relationship issues and then you hire a guy who is the most abusive coach in the league.  Total BS.  

Most abusive coach?  Maybe I missed something, but I was under the impression the reason he was fired was cuz he blew the whistle on the Dolphins FO for tanking (and they were mad he started winning with their shitty roster that year) and didn't get along with Tua? 

Dude can coach and has a fiery personality.  Doubt KOC would hire the guy if he didn't think he was a culture fit.

You can't fire Zimmer for the reasons given and then hire a guy with a reputation for being even more abrasive.  I think this was more of a Kwesi move than a KOC move. 

 https://thespun.com/top-stories/report-why-some-dolphins-players-disliked-brian-flores
“There were plenty of players who liked and admired Flores, and let’s be clear about that. But his arrogance and bristling personality rubbed some the wrong way. A close associate of multiple young Dolphins said the players complained to him that ‘he doesn’t understand dealing with men. He’s not approachable.’ When Flores saw one young player in recent months, he told him: ‘Don’t come to my office talking about playing time.’ The player had no such intentions. But multiple sources said he treated players different ways; a veteran such as Jason McCourty wouldn’t be treated with that same heavy hand. ‘He was stern with some but joked around with some guys,’ the source said. ‘It was hard to read him.'”

Wow, so we CAN have nice things? I thought we were going to have to scour the high school ranks to find a DC willing to take over our crap roster. 

Now bring Cam Sutton with you. 

@"supafreak84" said: While I think he can get more out of the unit than Donatell, I'm still skeptical from the standpoint that all these New England guys are so incredibly overhyped only to do fizzle out. The fact the Patriots didn't want him back is strange, especially since Belichick makes it a habit of re-hiring firmer coaches that have been fired by other organizations. He has also never been a DC at any level. This will be his first gig. The name is bigger than the substance for all the wrong reasons...so we'll see. It would be harder to do worse 

@"MaroonBells" said: Wow, so we CAN have nice things? I thought we were going to have to scour the high school ranks to find a DC willing to take over our crap roster. 

Agreed, he wasn't my own 1st choice but he was clearly one of the top candidates for KAM/KOC since the search began.

Tom Moore is tweeting that Flores pulled himself out of the running for HC @ AZ after hearing the plans here in MN. 

_onatell was a bad hire...But you know what would have been worse? Keeping him as DC. 

KOC showed that he isnt afraid to kick someone to the curb. Anyone who thinks he nothing more than a really nice, "aw shucks" slap you in the back guy are just wrong.

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: Wow, so we CAN have nice things? I thought we were going to have to scour the high school ranks to find a DC willing to take over our crap roster. 

Agreed, he wasn't my own 1st choice but he was clearly one of the top candidates for KAM/KOC since the search began.

Tom Moore is tweeting that Flores pulled himself out of the running for HC @ AZ after hearing the plans here in MN. 

_onatell was a bad hire...But you know what would have been worse? Keeping him as DC. 

KOC showed that he isnt afraid to kick someone to the curb. Anyone who thinks he nothing more than a really nice, "aw shucks" slap you in the back guy are just wrong.

Go get him a Hargrave or Payne to push the pocket. may have to part with Tomlinson, but we paid phillips to play that role and lynch has been ok. 

that one move would help alot! 

@"Bullazin" said: Go get him a Hargrave or Payne to push the pocket. may have to part with Tomlinson, but we paid phillips to play that role and lynch has been ok. 

that one move would help alot! 

@"supafreak84" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"supafreak84" said: While I think he can get more out of the unit than Donatell, I'm still skeptical from the standpoint that all these New England guys are so incredibly overhyped only to do fizzle out. The fact the Patriots didn't want him back is strange, especially since Belichick makes it a habit of re-hiring firmer coaches that have been fired by other organizations. He has also never been a DC at any level. This will be his first gig. The name is bigger than the substance for all the wrong reasons...so we'll see. It would be harder to do worse 

Belicheck's coordinators have fizzled as HC, not everyone is meant to be a the top guy.  Flores is actually the only one in recent memory that actually was successful.  He didn't get fired cuz he couldn't coach.  Pretty impressive he went .500 with those Dolphins rosters.

I thought his firing was a combination of different things, including his inability to connect with some key players on the roster. We'll see. Like I said, if the choice was between rolling the dice on Flores or going with Pettine, I'm happy they rolled the dice on Flores. 

@"JR44" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"JR44" said: Pretty hypocritical of the organization to get rid of Zimmer and RS cause of relationship issues and then you hire a guy who is the most abusive coach in the league.  Total BS.  

Most abusive coach?  Maybe I missed something, but I was under the impression the reason he was fired was cuz he blew the whistle on the Dolphins FO for tanking (and they were mad he started winning with their shitty roster that year) and didn't get along with Tua? 

Dude can coach and has a fiery personality.  Doubt KOC would hire the guy if he didn't think he was a culture fit.

You can't fire Zimmer for the reasons given and then hire a guy with a reputation for being even more abrasive.  I think this was more of a Kwesi move than a KOC move. 

 https://thespun.com/top-stories/report-why-some-dolphins-players-disliked-brian-flores
“There were plenty of players who liked and admired Flores, and let’s be clear about that. But his arrogance and bristling personality rubbed some the wrong way. A close associate of multiple young Dolphins said the players complained to him that ‘he doesn’t understand dealing with men. He’s not approachable.’ When Flores saw one young player in recent months, he told him: ‘Don’t come to my office talking about playing time.’ The player had no such intentions. But multiple sources said he treated players different ways; a veteran such as Jason McCourty wouldn’t be treated with that same heavy hand. ‘He was stern with some but joked around with some guys,’ the source said. ‘It was hard to read him.'”

@"JR44" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"JR44" said: Pretty hypocritical of the organization to get rid of Zimmer and RS cause of relationship issues and then you hire a guy who is the most abusive coach in the league.  Total BS.  

Most abusive coach?  Maybe I missed something, but I was under the impression the reason he was fired was cuz he blew the whistle on the Dolphins FO for tanking (and they were mad he started winning with their shitty roster that year) and didn't get along with Tua? 

Dude can coach and has a fiery personality.  Doubt KOC would hire the guy if he didn't think he was a culture fit.

You can't fire Zimmer for the reasons given and then hire a guy with a reputation for being even more abrasive.  I think this was more of a Kwesi move than a KOC move. 

 https://thespun.com/top-stories/report-why-some-dolphins-players-disliked-brian-flores
“There were plenty of players who liked and admired Flores, and let’s be clear about that. But his arrogance and bristling personality rubbed some the wrong way. A close associate of multiple young Dolphins said the players complained to him that ‘he doesn’t understand dealing with men. He’s not approachable.’ When Flores saw one young player in recent months, he told him: ‘Don’t come to my office talking about playing time.’ The player had no such intentions. But multiple sources said he treated players different ways; a veteran such as Jason McCourty wouldn’t be treated with that same heavy hand. ‘He was stern with some but joked around with some guys,’ the source said. ‘It was hard to read him.'”

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Bullazin" said: Go get him a Hargrave or Payne to push the pocket. may have to part with Tomlinson, but we paid phillips to play that role and lynch has been ok. 

that one move would help alot! 

THIS,  with a bullet,  its the lack of in the QBs face kind of pressure that we have been missing for far to long,  even when Zim and Ed would send blitzes up the gut they rarely got home and typically made for very easy completions behind the blizter.  first and foremost we need to get the interior DL fixed,  for exactly the same reason we need to immediately address our OL giving up way to many pressures and hits in the QBs face.

@"greediron" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Bullazin" said: Go get him a Hargrave or Payne to push the pocket. may have to part with Tomlinson, but we paid phillips to play that role and lynch has been ok. 

that one move would help alot! 

THIS,  with a bullet,  its the lack of in the QBs face kind of pressure that we have been missing for far to long,  even when Zim and Ed would send blitzes up the gut they rarely got home and typically made for very easy completions behind the blizter.  first and foremost we need to get the interior DL fixed,  for exactly the same reason we need to immediately address our OL giving up way to many pressures and hits in the QBs face.

Say what?  Are you thinking Frazier sending Greenway into a wall of lineman?

Zim could design pressure on the QB, that was never the issue.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Bullazin" said: Go get him a Hargrave or Payne to push the pocket. may have to part with Tomlinson, but we paid phillips to play that role and lynch has been ok. 

that one move would help alot! 

THIS,  with a bullet,  its the lack of in the QBs face kind of pressure that we have been missing for far to long,  even when Zim and Ed would send blitzes up the gut they rarely got home and typically made for very easy completions behind the blizter.  first and foremost we need to get the interior DL fixed,  for exactly the same reason we need to immediately address our OL giving up way to many pressures and hits in the QBs face.

Say what?  Are you thinking Frazier sending Greenway into a wall of lineman?

Zim could design pressure on the QB, that was never the issue.

he just didnt have the guys that were getting home with enough consistency to make it worth the effort,  or the cover guys on the back end that allowed enough time.  our blitzes the last few years of Zim were not effective nearly enough.