Vikings will have the #23 pick in the draft
Draft order updates still waiting on final wild card … As we noted several times on the weekend, because Tampa Bay has the worst W-L record of any of the teams playing in this weekend’s wild card games and wasn’t playing until tonight when the Buccaneers host Dallas, we wouldn’t have any finality on picks 19 thru 24 until tonight. What we can so, though, if Tampa Bay wins tonight, Seattle will have the 19th pick, while Miami would sit 20th but has forfeited its pick so the LA Chargers would have that pick, while Baltimore will have pick #21, followed by Dallas at #22 and Minnesota at #23. On the other hand, a Dallas win tonight means it would be Tampa at #19, followed by Seattle, Miami (no pick), the Chargers, Baltimore and Minnesota at picks #20 thru #23. Meanwhile, Jacksonville and the Giants both of whom registered upset wins this weekend will now pick no higher than 24th depending heading into next weekend’s conference semi-final games.
Which Golden Domer you got us taking... ;)
@"mgobluevikes" said: Which Golden Domer you got us taking... ;)Lol well I had Mayer penciled in for us prior to the Hockenson trade. Foskey is our only other 1st round prospect for this draft but I don't see us taking a rush end unless we move on from Zadarius Smith. So no domers for us this year (at least not in the 1st round).
A couple guys that interest me in that range early though are Jalin Hyatt, Bryan Bresee, and Drew Sanders
@"mgobluevikes" said: Which Golden Domer you got us taking... ;)TE!
4 Sale-23rd pick in the 1st round… ;)
@"Kentis" said: 4 Sale-23rd pick in the 1st round… ;)....and our GM will let you have it for a 5th rounder and bag of donuts. Packers, Bears, doesn't matter, come one come all....
Things will change in the coming months but #23 is a decent spot considering the number of DBs that will come off the board between 20 and the end of the round. Lots of ability to choose their DB if they have a preference.
@"Geoff Nichols" said: Things will change in the coming months but #23 is a decent spot considering the number of DBs that will come off the board between 20 and the end of the round. Lots of ability to choose their DB if they have a preference.If they use theat pick on another DB, I'm going to lose it. We are going to have so many other roster holes to fill that taking another DB would be inexcusable. You sink or swim next season with Dantzler, Evans, Booth, Cine, Bynum, and all these other young guys we've invested in.
If we can't generate a consistent pass rush, or stop the run, it doesn't matter who we have back there at DB.
@"supafreak84" said:Not drafting DBs since you've drafted others in previous years is a strawman argument.@"Geoff Nichols" said: Things will change in the coming months but #23 is a decent spot considering the number of DBs that will come off the board between 20 and the end of the round. Lots of ability to choose their DB if they have a preference. If they use theat pick on another DB, I'm going to lose it. We are going to have so many other roster holes to fill that taking another DB would be inexcusable. You sink or swim next season with Dantzler, Evans, Booth, Cine, Bynum, and all these other young guys we've invested in.
@"supafreak84" said:@"mgobluevikes" said: Which Golden Domer you got us taking... ;) Lol well I had Mayer penciled in for us prior to the Hockenson trade. Foskey is our only other 1st round prospect for this draft but I don't see us taking a rush end unless we move on from Zadarius Smith. So no domers for us this year (at least not in the 1st round).A couple guys that interest me in that range early though are Jalin Hyatt, Bryan Bresee, and Drew Sanders
Bresee is the #2 DT according to Drafttek. Doubt if he's there for us. Sanders might be interesting. Can't say I know much about him, other than he's tall. lol
@"Geoff Nichols" said:Not when you have as many other roster holes as we do. I'd put DB maybe around our 4th or 5th greatest need, and we just invested 3 of our first 5 picks on DB's. Unless you simply don't believe in the players you just drafted, the need, salary cap, and lack of draft capital almost dictates the pick being invested at another position. You can't build a roster from the outside-in. That pick needs to be invested in a front seven player on defense, a playmaker on offense, or else you take a swing at a QB if one happens to be there.@"supafreak84" said:Not drafting DBs since you've drafted others in previous years is a strawman argument.@"Geoff Nichols" said: Things will change in the coming months but #23 is a decent spot considering the number of DBs that will come off the board between 20 and the end of the round. Lots of ability to choose their DB if they have a preference. If they use theat pick on another DB, I'm going to lose it. We are going to have so many other roster holes to fill that taking another DB would be inexcusable. You sink or swim next season with Dantzler, Evans, Booth, Cine, Bynum, and all these other young guys we've invested in.
@"supafreak84" said:Agree, it's time we invest in our trenches. Why are Philly and SF so good? They have a good OL and a deep stable of DL.@"Geoff Nichols" said: Things will change in the coming months but #23 is a decent spot considering the number of DBs that will come off the board between 20 and the end of the round. Lots of ability to choose their DB if they have a preference. If they use theat pick on another DB, I'm going to lose it. We are going to have so many other roster holes to fill that taking another DB would be inexcusable. You sink or swim next season with Dantzler, Evans, Booth, Cine, Bynum, and all these other young guys we've invested in.
Same with the Cowboys
@"mgobluevikes" said:@"supafreak84" said:@"mgobluevikes" said: Which Golden Domer you got us taking... ;) Lol well I had Mayer penciled in for us prior to the Hockenson trade. Foskey is our only other 1st round prospect for this draft but I don't see us taking a rush end unless we move on from Zadarius Smith. So no domers for us this year (at least not in the 1st round).A couple guys that interest me in that range early though are Jalin Hyatt, Bryan Bresee, and Drew Sanders
Bresee is the #2 DT according to Drafttek. Doubt if he's there for us. Sanders might be interesting. Can't say I know much about him, other than he's tall. lol
Injuries might push Bresee down the boards. He had a down year, but that was mostly due to the tragic death of his sister and an early season injury. We'll see what teams think of him medically.I like Sanders though. Alabama transfer that is all over the field. He is the kind of bigger LB we would want if we stick with a 3-4.
@"Wetlander" said:The big caveat I put on that is draft positioning. Building the trenches should always be near the top of the list. But NFL DE/DTs are historically either taken in the top 10-12 picks or in the middle rounds where you take athletic projections that put it all together. Philly, SF, and Dallas all fit that mold as well.@"supafreak84" said:Agree, it's time we invest in our trenches. Why are Philly and SF so good? They have a good OL and a deep stable of DL.@"Geoff Nichols" said: Things will change in the coming months but #23 is a decent spot considering the number of DBs that will come off the board between 20 and the end of the round. Lots of ability to choose their DB if they have a preference. If they use theat pick on another DB, I'm going to lose it. We are going to have so many other roster holes to fill that taking another DB would be inexcusable. You sink or swim next season with Dantzler, Evans, Booth, Cine, Bynum, and all these other young guys we've invested in.This FO didn't sink them from a DB perspective. But depending how they handle P2 & Duke Shelley they're going into 2023 with Cam Dantzler on an expiring deal, Evans, and Booth. Who is a sure thing in that group? Yes, they took Cine last year but I don't think that's a reason to eliminate DB.
Its an option. Nothing more than that.
@"supafreak84" said:@"mgobluevikes" said:@"supafreak84" said:@"mgobluevikes" said: Which Golden Domer you got us taking... ;) Lol well I had Mayer penciled in for us prior to the Hockenson trade. Foskey is our only other 1st round prospect for this draft but I don't see us taking a rush end unless we move on from Zadarius Smith. So no domers for us this year (at least not in the 1st round).A couple guys that interest me in that range early though are Jalin Hyatt, Bryan Bresee, and Drew Sanders
Bresee is the #2 DT according to Drafttek. Doubt if he's there for us. Sanders might be interesting. Can't say I know much about him, other than he's tall. lol
Injuries might push Bresee down the boards. He had a down year, but that was mostly due to the tragic death of his sister and an early season injury. We'll see what teams think of him medically.I like Sanders though. Alabama transfer that is all over the field. He is the kind of bigger LB we would want if we stick with a 3-4.
Is he significantly better than Campbell from Iowa, or Eichenberg from that other school?
@"mgobluevikes" said: If we can't generate a consistent pass rush, or stop the run, it doesn't matter who we have back there at DB.Ouch.
@"mgobluevikes" said: If we can't generate a consistent pass rush, or stop the run, it doesn't matter who we have back there at DB.^^^^ This all day
For 5 plus years now we have not been able to fix either the Oline ir Dline. We have been prioritizing dbs and still need dbs. I dont know how to evaluate players but what I know is that our draft strategy has not been able to built a hard nose tough team. Every year we end up with a vanilla team that gets pushed around.
Whatever the plan is, I hope one can someday watch a Vikings team that plays tough on both sides of the ball.
So be it db, dl, qb, wr etc can we for once have a team thats though and plays with grit like the Eaglea, 49ers, Seahawks of old etc.
It is very old and frustrating ending the year wondering how to fill the many gaps on our roster with limited capital yet we have a plethora of draft picks every year.
Other teams rebuild and make a decent run (Bills, Bengals, Rams, Bucs to name a few) and we are stuck in being mediocre
@"Geoff Nichols" said:@"Wetlander" said:The big caveat I put on that is draft positioning. Building the trenches should always be near the top of the list. But NFL DE/DTs are historically either taken in the top 10-12 picks or in the middle rounds where you take athletic projections that put it all together. Philly, SF, and Dallas all fit that mold as well.@"supafreak84" said:Agree, it's time we invest in our trenches. Why are Philly and SF so good? They have a good OL and a deep stable of DL.@"Geoff Nichols" said: Things will change in the coming months but #23 is a decent spot considering the number of DBs that will come off the board between 20 and the end of the round. Lots of ability to choose their DB if they have a preference. If they use theat pick on another DB, I'm going to lose it. We are going to have so many other roster holes to fill that taking another DB would be inexcusable. You sink or swim next season with Dantzler, Evans, Booth, Cine, Bynum, and all these other young guys we've invested in.This FO didn't sink them from a DB perspective. But depending how they handle P2 & Duke Shelley they're going into 2023 with Cam Dantzler on an expiring deal, Evans, and Booth. Who is a sure thing in that group? Yes, they took Cine last year but I don't think that's a reason to eliminate DB.
Its an option. Nothing more than that.
Gotta agree with the others on this one. No, our secondary was not great this year. But that's mostly due to the fact that Evans, Booth, Cine and Dantzler were hurt most of the season. We definitely need CB help, but considering the ridiculous youth at the position, I'd probably try to add a mid-tier veteran, along with a round 2-4 draft pick.What we do in the 1st depends so much on who the new DC is, what scheme we run, and where the holes remain after free agency.
Your point about value is well taken though. At 23 you're probably looking at the 5th best Edge, whereas you can probably draft the top ILB in the draft there. If we don't resign Tomlinson, I think the pick has to be DT. ILB and WR are also strong possibilities IMO.
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