KOC exposed today

@"jargomcfargo" said:

@"PapaScott" said: If Z sees that ball bounce of the lineman's head to begin the game and or dantzler catches the interception at the 3nd of the half and we are talking about kings of the north 

They are kings of the North. Are they great team? Hell no. Did anyone here think they would be superbowl champions this year? Hell no. The Wilf's mandate was to win with what you have. Guess what? Kwesi brought in players to plug holes that were obvious weaknesses under the constraint of little to no salary cap space, and the coaching staff to make it work. I don't know if being a bettor gives me a clearer picture, but it is painfully obvious to me, the Vikings don't have the players to be a superbowl champion.  We lost a game to a good team and KOC can't coach, Kwesi didn't help the defense, and Donatell needs fired. They aren't blameless. But they have taken an inferior roster, and won a lot of games.  Like you said Papa, a different bounce of the ball or a timely pick and the conversation changes. Reality is, they are Kings of the North and will hang a banner in their first year. Regardless of how this year ends, that's a good start.

Ahhh, I see. Poor Skodin. He's been waiting SO long to puke the bile. Hates Cousins and hates KOC, now we see what he's wearing. 

Good to know. Cousins sure sucked yesterday, didn't he?? And KOC getting cute at times....its fine until its not. The play where Cook was going to throw would have been considered 'aggressive' and 'creative' if it worked. The run game was shit all day, so he threw a wrinkle in. The onside kick was also very aggressive and if it had worked, kudos would have abounded.

Listen, the defense is the WORST in the league. It forces KOC to try risky shit to mitigate that shit D. Its not going to change this year, I said this weeks ago. KOC didn't have his best play calling game, but it wasn't a shit show either like some here are implying.

Our defense is indeed a shit show,  has been all season,  and we knew this going in,  especially yesterday with key pieces missing.  I didn't feel like the game plan was aggressive enough yesterday,   I felt going in we needed to score 35 or so to win and I didn't think they were playing to hang a lot of points.  Sometimes you just have to mash the gas and keep your foot down.  Numbers at the end suggest they did that,  but once again another empty third quarter and other points in the game where you just had to ask "why?".

@"Skodin" said: That was one of thee WORST coaching games I've seen.  I hope he learns from this because being McVay's clipboard holder doesn't make you the next great coach.  His short yard to go coaching has been very very suspect all season.  Too many 3rd and 1s in shotgun.

Going for 4th and 1 today because your QB made the mistake on third?  And running out of shotgun?
Knowing that DET is a fake punt team, watching them huddle up on the punt fake and still getting beat by it?
Keeping the league's worst Guard in when he's got your QB killed?
Watching that guard whiffing on the RB to pass play on 1st and Goal?  WTF was the play call?

Then onside?  Seriously?  You know Detroit is running the first two downs, all you have to do is stop one passing play and you get the ball back with midfield VS giving them 10 yards from an easy FG.

Terrible, this defense is worst than last year.  This offense, statistically is worse than last year.  

And people wanted his Klown over Harbaugh.  We had a chance for Jim and Fangio, nope we got Mr cool and Donatell.  

@"jargomcfargo" said:

@"PapaScott" said: If Z sees that ball bounce of the lineman's head to begin the game and or dantzler catches the interception at the 3nd of the half and we are talking about kings of the north 

They are kings of the North. Are they great team? Hell no. Did anyone here think they would be superbowl champions this year? Hell no. The Wilf's mandate was to win with what you have. Guess what? Kwesi brought in players to plug holes that were obvious weaknesses under the constraint of little to no salary cap space, and the coaching staff to make it work. I don't know if being a bettor gives me a clearer picture, but it is painfully obvious to me, the Vikings don't have the players to be a superbowl champion.  We lost a game to a good team and KOC can't coach, Kwesi didn't help the defense, and Donatell needs fired. They aren't blameless. But they have taken an inferior roster, and won a lot of games.  Like you said Papa, a different bounce of the ball or a timely pick and the conversation changes. Reality is, they are Kings of the North and will hang a banner in their first year. Regardless of how this year ends, that's a good start.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Skodin" said: That was one of thee WORST coaching games I've seen.  I hope he learns from this because being McVay's clipboard holder doesn't make you the next great coach.  His short yard to go coaching has been very very suspect all season.  Too many 3rd and 1s in shotgun.

Going for 4th and 1 today because your QB made the mistake on third?  And running out of shotgun?
Knowing that DET is a fake punt team, watching them huddle up on the punt fake and still getting beat by it?
Keeping the league's worst Guard in when he's got your QB killed?
Watching that guard whiffing on the RB to pass play on 1st and Goal?  WTF was the play call?

Then onside?  Seriously?  You know Detroit is running the first two downs, all you have to do is stop one passing play and you get the ball back with midfield VS giving them 10 yards from an easy FG.

Terrible, this defense is worst than last year.  This offense, statistically is worse than last year.  

And people wanted his Klown over Harbaugh.  We had a chance for Jim and Fangio, nope we got Mr cool and Donatell.  

Wow, is this for real? 

@"Riphawkins" said:

@"Skodin" said:

@"Riphawkins" said: It’s always funny to see the posts after a Vikings loss. KOC is a Klown? 10-3 is hardly proof any coach is a Klown. It is a transitional year, new defensive scheme, some new player personnel, new staff. Figuring out which old guys are going to be around and which aren’t, and still be competitive because that’s what the Wilf’s want.

Harbaugh’s first one or two good years would be great, then he’d be the A hole we all really know he is and the whole team would fall apart.

But, I like your take better.

We are a couple of bounces from being the same team we were last year.

Defensively, we are worse.   Offensively, we are worse.  How are we better other than record?  JJ being the best WR in the league has bailed out this staff.   

yeah, I would hate to have a proven winner and a premier DC on this team because in a couple years it could blow up.

First you wanted off the Cousins ride, now KOC is a Klown. (Spelled with a K to show its KOC you’re talking about.) 
Cousins threw for 425 yards today, Jefferson caught passes for 212 yds. That’s without 2 starters on the o line, and the defense is down a couple of guys. 

10-3 is 10-3, no better, no worse. Maybe you should follow another team until they meet your standards.

4 years since a QB threw for 400 yards, 75%, no INTS and lost.
First 10-3 team in history to have given up more points than they have scored.
34% of our our runs have been for 0 or negative yards.

400+ yards given up in the last 5 games
-101 receptions allowed (tied for most)
-2, 108 yards allowed (t-most)
-74 explosive receptions allowed (2nd-most)

Is the defense all Donatell's fault?  Who brought him?  

the only reason people aren't disappointed in this staff is because we are lucky to be 10-3.  Statistics say this is a 6-7/7-6 team which isn't an upgrade from the last year.

Ridiculous overreaction, Skodin. I think educated people should be able to separate what went well and what didn't. With all due respect, your post sounds like talk radio. I figured you were hammered, but here you are again. :-)

Still, your point about the defense is well taken. We have to do something. Fire Donatell, play man, blitz more, I have no idea, but something has to change. That should be our focus. But Harbaugh? We're 10-3, swept the best division in football, headed for a division title, KOC is on every coach of the year list, we lose to Detroit, a game we weren't favored to win, and we should've hired Harbaugh? C'mon. 

@"MaroonBells" said: Ridiculous overreaction, Skodin. I think educated people should be able to separate what went well and what didn't. With all due respect, your post sounds like talk radio. I figured you were hammered, but here you are again. :-)

Still, your point about the defense is well taken. We have to do something. Fire Donatell, play man, blitz more, I have no idea, but something has to change. That should be our focus. But Harbaugh? We're 10-3, swept the best division in football, headed for a division title, KOC is on every coach of the year list, we lose to Detroit, a game we weren't favored to win, and we should've hired Harbaugh? C'mon. 

@"Skodin" said:

@"Riphawkins" said:

@"Skodin" said:

@"Riphawkins" said: It’s always funny to see the posts after a Vikings loss. KOC is a Klown? 10-3 is hardly proof any coach is a Klown. It is a transitional year, new defensive scheme, some new player personnel, new staff. Figuring out which old guys are going to be around and which aren’t, and still be competitive because that’s what the Wilf’s want.

Harbaugh’s first one or two good years would be great, then he’d be the A hole we all really know he is and the whole team would fall apart.

But, I like your take better.

We are a couple of bounces from being the same team we were last year.

Defensively, we are worse.   Offensively, we are worse.  How are we better other than record?  JJ being the best WR in the league has bailed out this staff.   

yeah, I would hate to have a proven winner and a premier DC on this team because in a couple years it could blow up.

First you wanted off the Cousins ride, now KOC is a Klown. (Spelled with a K to show its KOC you’re talking about.) 
Cousins threw for 425 yards today, Jefferson caught passes for 212 yds. That’s without 2 starters on the o line, and the defense is down a couple of guys. 

10-3 is 10-3, no better, no worse. Maybe you should follow another team until they meet your standards.

Please 10-3 and it is all smoke and mirrors.  This team will get waxed by the top 3 teams in the NFC.  This team performs worse than last year's team on average except for wins which luck has been heavily in our favor.  Everyone wanted the last staff out for having better numbers than this year's team.  I get that he is a young coach but he made mistake after mistake yesterday, I hope he gets better.  

I have the right to be disappointed and I have the right to call out the under performance of the coaching of this team.  There is nothing innovative in the play calling here.  

Enjoy the ride until we get beat by 30 in the playoffs and embarrassed again.  Embarrassed by a RG getting blown up play after play (what was the point of signing REED?), a running game that is terrible, a defense that can't adjust.  

Don't tell me Harbaugh would be the same, he wouldn't

Fuck, he knew all week that they were going to try a fake punt.  How do you get punked like that?  How do you not have your team coached up for that?

there is a lot to be desired with a lot of parts of this team and coaching staff.  nobody is getting fired before the end of the season,  but if there arent major changes that allow some serious additions in FA to that D,  and Donatel has not shown any ability to make adjustments to his scheme fit the players he has,  then that dude needs to go,  same with either Cook or our OL/run game coordinator,  we have one of the highest paid RBs in the game,  we have an OL that is likely one of the highest drafted OL in the game,  and we cant count on this run game for a damn thing.

honestly,  this season is maddening for me.   10-3 record,  and the trademark Vikings signatures, running the ball and playing stout defense,  are two of the worst marks in the league... WTF kind of twilight zone world are we living in?  for shit sake... it just dawned on me.... we are turning into the packers.   ugh.

I hope everyone can just take a minute to enjoy the Norris crown win this Saturday...

They may get 1 and done this post-season (maybe not) but dont you owe it to yourself to find some joy in rooting for the team this year? 

I'll spare everyone the "I'm old enough to remember watching the Vikings in SB's" bit. But after almost 45 years of waiting, I can find hope that this maybe the start to something big. 

the defense is just holdin back for the playoffs 

The defense sucks. But I do recall 2 or three games we would have lost if it weren't for the defense.
They lost a divisional game against a team that is pretty good now. Big deal.
I don't care what happens the rest of this season, they have produced something to build upon. Seems some want to tear it all down and start over. I want to see what they do in the future. 
I think they were handcuffed by Rick Spielman's roster, a handful of stars and a whole lot of schmoes, and did well with it.
And maybe they win a playoff game this year. That would be pretty impressive for the new regime.

Vikings are 28th in rushing attempts this season...That is a HUGE difference vs previous regime and thats on KOC. 

And I dont care what the stats say, I trust what my eyes are telling me and that is Dalvin Cook is not the same player this year. 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/stat/rushing/table/rushing/sort/rushingAttempts/dir/desc

I too think Cook is tippy toeing his way off this roster this offseason… besides the appearance of not aggressively hitting the hole, he sure seems to be looking to run out of bounds as well, is he being coached to do that- Idk…?

Mattison isn't as explosive as Cook but any more I feel they are more likely to gain positive yardage when he's running the ball. 

@"purplefaithful" said: I hope everyone can just take a minute to enjoy the Norris crown win this Saturday...

They may get 1 and done this post-season (maybe not) but dont you owe it to yourself to find some joy in rooting for the team this year? 

I'll spare everyone the "I'm old enough to remember watching the Vikings in SB's" bit. But after almost 45 years of waiting, I can find hope that this maybe the start to something big. 

I watched a video on Coaching Trees and who has them and who doesn’t, and which ones are good and which ones aren’t.

McVay has a tree and it’s been pretty good, and he’s a young guy. 
Also, I live in Bears country and Bears fans are complete A holes around me. They’ve been fairly quiet this year, except when the Vikings lose, then I hear their shit. But, it hasn’t bothered me this season. Probably because I know the Packers are on the decline and the Bears are still crap!

I’m living in the moment, enjoying the wins and not getting upset over the loses.

The last 4 years the usual suspects incessantly regurgitated the line "only stat that matters is wins". This year since they can no longer use wins for their agenda it's "defensively, we are worse.   Offensively, we are worse.  How are we better other than record? " 

Lol, other than wins how are we better? Did we miss the memo stating it's statistics used for deciding playoffs and not wins. Pick a lane and stick with it. Next year if the offense blows up and defense improves. But the team isn't winning we don't want to hear your "wins is the only stat" bullshit.

We get it, your man crush wasn't picked as coach, your guy for GM didn't get the job. They didn't sign and draft every player you would have. In other words you're the worst kind of fan. A fan who cares more about being right than the team winning.