This team looks spent...

My wife said this after watching them for 2 minutes, "They all look so tired". She said this when they were putting that drive together after the sack and fumble. 

Cousins faced 63% pressure rate I saw on one of my Vikings sources
By comparison Mahomes in the Super Bowl against the Bucs was something like 37% 

Cowboys / and Eagles showed how to beat us.  Bring the heat.
Surprised we didnt just punt on third down

Pollard killed em last night...

Not everyone has Dallas's DL, its right up there with Bills and Commodes imo. 

But Dallas (on O especially) put some stuff on film that is hard for this D to handle. I was disappointed they didnt put more men in the box earlier. I dont like this scheme rigidity from Donnatel. 

@"purplefaithful" said: Pollard killed em last night...

Not everyone has Dallas's DL, its right up there with Bills and Commodes imo. 

But Dallas (on O especially) put some stuff on film that is hard for this D to handle. I was disappointed they didnt put more men in the box earlier. I dont like this scheme rigidity from Donnatel. 

@"purplefaithful" said: Pollard killed em last night...

Not everyone has Dallas's DL, its right up there with Bills and Commodes imo. 

But Dallas (on O especially) put some stuff on film that is hard for this D to handle. I was disappointed they didnt put more men in the box earlier. I dont like this scheme rigidity from Donnatel. 

@"1VikesFan" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: Pollard killed em last night...

Not everyone has Dallas's DL, its right up there with Bills and Commodes imo. 

But Dallas (on O especially) put some stuff on film that is hard for this D to handle. I was disappointed they didnt put more men in the box earlier. I dont like this scheme rigidity from Donnatel. 

I said before the game containing Pollard was the key for the defense. Unfortunately they had no clue on how to do that. 

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"1VikesFan" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: Pollard killed em last night...

Not everyone has Dallas's DL, its right up there with Bills and Commodes imo. 

But Dallas (on O especially) put some stuff on film that is hard for this D to handle. I was disappointed they didnt put more men in the box earlier. I dont like this scheme rigidity from Donnatel. 

I said before the game containing Pollard was the key for the defense. Unfortunately they had no clue on how to do that. 

That you did...

Safe to say they really missed Tomlinson against an OL and RB like that. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: Pollard killed em last night...

Not everyone has Dallas's DL, its right up there with Bills and Commodes imo. 

But Dallas (on O especially) put some stuff on film that is hard for this D to handle. I was disappointed they didnt put more men in the box earlier. I dont like this scheme rigidity from Donnatel. 

who do you put in the box?  1 safety needed to be helping our rookie CB,  the other S had coverage responsibilities,   only so many bodies to go around.  

@"greediron" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: Pollard killed em last night...

Not everyone has Dallas's DL, its right up there with Bills and Commodes imo. 

But Dallas (on O especially) put some stuff on film that is hard for this D to handle. I was disappointed they didnt put more men in the box earlier. I dont like this scheme rigidity from Donnatel. 

who do you put in the box?  1 safety needed to be helping our rookie CB,  the other S had coverage responsibilities,   only so many bodies to go around.  

Did it look like a Zimmer D when he had Breeland and not much else in the db room?

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"1VikesFan" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: Pollard killed em last night...

Not everyone has Dallas's DL, its right up there with Bills and Commodes imo. 

But Dallas (on O especially) put some stuff on film that is hard for this D to handle. I was disappointed they didnt put more men in the box earlier. I dont like this scheme rigidity from Donnatel. 

I said before the game containing Pollard was the key for the defense. Unfortunately they had no clue on how to do that. 

That you did...

Safe to say they really missed Tomlinson against an OL and RB like that. 

I dont think Tomlinson was going to do much to stop Pollard,  what I think we needed was a tweener LB/S that could spy the RB,  have size enough to be of value against the run, but have the speed and agility to cover him on pass plays.  Our LBs looked so slow in getting to the outside yesterday.   as fast the cowboys looked on both sides of the ball our players looked molasses in january slow.

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"1VikesFan" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: Pollard killed em last night...

Not everyone has Dallas's DL, its right up there with Bills and Commodes imo. 

But Dallas (on O especially) put some stuff on film that is hard for this D to handle. I was disappointed they didnt put more men in the box earlier. I dont like this scheme rigidity from Donnatel. 

I said before the game containing Pollard was the key for the defense. Unfortunately they had no clue on how to do that. 

That you did...

Safe to say they really missed Tomlinson against an OL and RB like that. 

I dont think Tomlinson was going to do much to stop Pollard,  what I think we needed was a tweener LB/S that could spy the RB,  have size enough to be of value against the run, but have the speed and agility to cover him on pass plays.  Our LBs looked so slow in getting to the outside yesterday.   as fast the cowboys looked on both sides of the ball our players looked molasses in january slow.

I dont think it's an either or - but yah they dont have all the players on D for that scheme. 

I think LB is one of those positions. They need some bigger, faster thumpers there. 

@"Greylock" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"1VikesFan" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: Pollard killed em last night...

Not everyone has Dallas's DL, its right up there with Bills and Commodes imo. 

But Dallas (on O especially) put some stuff on film that is hard for this D to handle. I was disappointed they didnt put more men in the box earlier. I dont like this scheme rigidity from Donnatel. 

I said before the game containing Pollard was the key for the defense. Unfortunately they had no clue on how to do that. 

That you did...

Safe to say they really missed Tomlinson against an OL and RB like that. 

I dont think Tomlinson was going to do much to stop Pollard,  what I think we needed was a tweener LB/S that could spy the RB,  have size enough to be of value against the run, but have the speed and agility to cover him on pass plays.  Our LBs looked so slow in getting to the outside yesterday.   as fast the cowboys looked on both sides of the ball our players looked molasses in january slow.

I dont think it's an either or - but yah they dont have all the players on D for that scheme. 

I think LB is one of those positions. They need some bigger, faster thumpers there. 

They also need corners that can play man.  That zone coverage they insist on playing just doesn't do anything.  Leaving receivers open and then trying to limit YAC just doesn't get the job done.

They also need a draft class next year that can contribute more than just special teams and so far the current draft class isn't doing that.  Too bad picks are few for that draft.

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"Greylock" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"1VikesFan" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: Pollard killed em last night...

Not everyone has Dallas's DL, its right up there with Bills and Commodes imo. 

But Dallas (on O especially) put some stuff on film that is hard for this D to handle. I was disappointed they didnt put more men in the box earlier. I dont like this scheme rigidity from Donnatel. 

I said before the game containing Pollard was the key for the defense. Unfortunately they had no clue on how to do that. 

That you did...

Safe to say they really missed Tomlinson against an OL and RB like that. 

I dont think Tomlinson was going to do much to stop Pollard,  what I think we needed was a tweener LB/S that could spy the RB,  have size enough to be of value against the run, but have the speed and agility to cover him on pass plays.  Our LBs looked so slow in getting to the outside yesterday.   as fast the cowboys looked on both sides of the ball our players looked molasses in january slow.

I dont think it's an either or - but yah they dont have all the players on D for that scheme. 

I think LB is one of those positions. They need some bigger, faster thumpers there. 

They also need corners that can play man.  That zone coverage they insist on playing just doesn't do anything.  Leaving receivers open and then trying to limit YAC just doesn't get the job done.

They also need a draft class next year that can contribute more than just special teams and so far the current draft class isn't doing that.  Too bad picks are few for that draft.

Yup -- Wetlander pointed out in another thread that with the $$ JJ, Cousins and what some others are making, the draft classes have to pan out. For cap purposes as well as W/L purposes. 

We dont have a bunch of picks next year either so....No pressure KAM. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"Greylock" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"1VikesFan" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: Pollard killed em last night...

Not everyone has Dallas's DL, its right up there with Bills and Commodes imo. 

But Dallas (on O especially) put some stuff on film that is hard for this D to handle. I was disappointed they didnt put more men in the box earlier. I dont like this scheme rigidity from Donnatel. 

I said before the game containing Pollard was the key for the defense. Unfortunately they had no clue on how to do that. 

That you did...

Safe to say they really missed Tomlinson against an OL and RB like that. 

I dont think Tomlinson was going to do much to stop Pollard,  what I think we needed was a tweener LB/S that could spy the RB,  have size enough to be of value against the run, but have the speed and agility to cover him on pass plays.  Our LBs looked so slow in getting to the outside yesterday.   as fast the cowboys looked on both sides of the ball our players looked molasses in january slow.

I dont think it's an either or - but yah they dont have all the players on D for that scheme. 

I think LB is one of those positions. They need some bigger, faster thumpers there. 

They also need corners that can play man.  That zone coverage they insist on playing just doesn't do anything.  Leaving receivers open and then trying to limit YAC just doesn't get the job done.

They also need a draft class next year that can contribute more than just special teams and so far the current draft class isn't doing that.  Too bad picks are few for that draft.

Yup -- Wetlander pointed out in another thread that with the $$ JJ, Cousins and what some others are making, the draft classes have to pan out. For cap purposes as well as W/L purposes. 

We dont have a bunch of picks next year either so....No pressure KAM. 

sadly,   its not even looking like they just need a little more seasoning,  Cine will essentially be a rookie again next year,  Booths head is spinning like mad and is really overwhelmed 10 games into the year, Ingram might develop into something decent,  but as bad as he is looking now that might be tough to overcome as well.  likely another year of tight cap to work with so unless we see some major home town discounts from guys like AT, Harry, Kendricks, and not sure who else.... this offseason isnt likely going to be enough to really fix all those deficiencies. 

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"Greylock" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"1VikesFan" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: Pollard killed em last night...

Not everyone has Dallas's DL, its right up there with Bills and Commodes imo. 

But Dallas (on O especially) put some stuff on film that is hard for this D to handle. I was disappointed they didnt put more men in the box earlier. I dont like this scheme rigidity from Donnatel. 

I said before the game containing Pollard was the key for the defense. Unfortunately they had no clue on how to do that. 

That you did...

Safe to say they really missed Tomlinson against an OL and RB like that. 

I dont think Tomlinson was going to do much to stop Pollard,  what I think we needed was a tweener LB/S that could spy the RB,  have size enough to be of value against the run, but have the speed and agility to cover him on pass plays.  Our LBs looked so slow in getting to the outside yesterday.   as fast the cowboys looked on both sides of the ball our players looked molasses in january slow.

I dont think it's an either or - but yah they dont have all the players on D for that scheme. 

I think LB is one of those positions. They need some bigger, faster thumpers there. 

They also need corners that can play man.  That zone coverage they insist on playing just doesn't do anything.  Leaving receivers open and then trying to limit YAC just doesn't get the job done.

They also need a draft class next year that can contribute more than just special teams and so far the current draft class isn't doing that.  Too bad picks are few for that draft.

Yup -- Wetlander pointed out in another thread that with the $$ JJ, Cousins and what some others are making, the draft classes have to pan out. For cap purposes as well as W/L purposes. 

We dont have a bunch of picks next year either so....No pressure KAM. 

sadly,   its not even looking like they just need a little more seasoning,  Cine will essentially be a rookie again next year,  Booths head is spinning like mad and is really overwhelmed 10 games into the year, Ingram might develop into something decent,  but as bad as he is looking now that might be tough to overcome as well.  likely another year of tight cap to work with so unless we see some major home town discounts from guys like AT, Harry, Kendricks, and not sure who else.... this offseason isnt likely going to be enough to really fix all those deficiencies. 

No it may not....But until last night (lol)  I was still under the belief the trajectory arrow is up for the Vikings...

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"Greylock" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"1VikesFan" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: Pollard killed em last night...

Not everyone has Dallas's DL, its right up there with Bills and Commodes imo. 

But Dallas (on O especially) put some stuff on film that is hard for this D to handle. I was disappointed they didnt put more men in the box earlier. I dont like this scheme rigidity from Donnatel. 

I said before the game containing Pollard was the key for the defense. Unfortunately they had no clue on how to do that. 

That you did...

Safe to say they really missed Tomlinson against an OL and RB like that. 

I dont think Tomlinson was going to do much to stop Pollard,  what I think we needed was a tweener LB/S that could spy the RB,  have size enough to be of value against the run, but have the speed and agility to cover him on pass plays.  Our LBs looked so slow in getting to the outside yesterday.   as fast the cowboys looked on both sides of the ball our players looked molasses in january slow.

I dont think it's an either or - but yah they dont have all the players on D for that scheme. 

I think LB is one of those positions. They need some bigger, faster thumpers there. 

They also need corners that can play man.  That zone coverage they insist on playing just doesn't do anything.  Leaving receivers open and then trying to limit YAC just doesn't get the job done.

They also need a draft class next year that can contribute more than just special teams and so far the current draft class isn't doing that.  Too bad picks are few for that draft.

Yup -- Wetlander pointed out in another thread that with the $$ JJ, Cousins and what some others are making, the draft classes have to pan out. For cap purposes as well as W/L purposes. 

We dont have a bunch of picks next year either so....No pressure KAM. 

sadly,   its not even looking like they just need a little more seasoning,  Cine will essentially be a rookie again next year,  Booths head is spinning like mad and is really overwhelmed 10 games into the year, Ingram might develop into something decent,  but as bad as he is looking now that might be tough to overcome as well.  likely another year of tight cap to work with so unless we see some major home town discounts from guys like AT, Harry, Kendricks, and not sure who else.... this offseason isnt likely going to be enough to really fix all those deficiencies. 

No it may not....But until last night (lol)  I was still under the belief the trajectory arrow is up for the Vikings...

as empty as the cupboard is for picks,  and the needs that we have,  I wouldnt be surprised to see Kwesi trade our first for a 2nd and 3rd or what ever he can to get more players in the day 2 pool.  1 mid first stud would be nice,  but 2 or 3 potential need fillers would be better considering where we are at right now depth wise.

This team lacks depth & it shows…!

@"Kentis" said: This team lacks depth & it shows…!

My thoughts;

- I think the team was a little emotionally deflated after Buffalo. Dallas was the much hungrier team coming in after losing a game they shouldn't have in Green Bay. The result wasn't surprising, but how we lost was surprising

- My first complaint regarding KOC; I thought our game plan sucked, and we played right into the strength of the Cowboys. Green Bay bludgeoned Dallas in the running game and kept their elite pass rushers guessing. We didn't even really try establishing the run and put our overmatched o- line on their heels all day in pass protection. OConnell obviously favors the pass and even with Darrisaw out and our line getting their asses kicked, we continued to try passing the ball. Jefferson mentioned today that we should have adjusted to a more quick hitting passing game..but we never did and that's on the coach's failing to make appropriate adjustments 

- I continue to absolutely hate our soft shell shell pass defense and the huge cushions we give up. Announcers brought that up a few times Sunday. Donnatell also never made any adjustments and kept doing the same shit that wasn't working. I'm tired of QB stat lines looking like 18 of 20 passes completed. Teams move the ball up and down the field on us and the fact we haven't forced a red zone field goal this year fucking sucks. Our defense is completely reliant on other teams making mistakes or our two pass rushers getting home to the quarterback. Otherwise it's pretty much pitch and catch and hope for the best. 

- Booth sucked, Ingram sucked, and we got nothing once again from maybe the worst draft class in our history. Kwesi is going to have a lot of explaining to do this offseason relating to this rookie class and the impact (or lack thereof) they had on the season. 

- The good thing is that we are still 8-2 and get to play Thanksgivibg night. We are going to learn a lot about this team in how they respond.