Inconsistent QB play

Amen AGR...

Dont need to remind me he's our best QB since Favre...Warts and all

Sitting and resting starters  for the entire Preseason schedule is a mistake.

Especially for developing QB's .

OTA's aren't the same thing as live reps.

Personally, I think this is the best season I've seen KC play.  Statistically that might not be true, but he looks way more confident and comfortable leading the offense. 

I think Kirk is a duck on a pond with this O,  he may look like he is in control,  but im not buying it.  We've seen him play much much better than what he's done to start this season.

@"HappyViking" said: Personally, I think this is the best season I've seen KC play.  Statically that might not be true, but he looks way more confident and comfortable leading the offense. 

Plus, he can celebrate with the head coach without wondering if hes gonna get his ass kicked.

I've mentioned this several times in the past: watch NFL Redzone and tell me that Kirk isn't playing as well as anyone most games. Most fans are way too close to the trees to see the forest.

I've always liked Kirk the QB. The question in my mind has always been is his play matching up to his contract (Cap hit). The hope is that you can get equal QB play on a lesser (rookie) contract. For that reason, I'm all aboard drafting a QB in the first round in 2023.

It's not just QBs either. It's entire teams. One-team fans tend to be very myopic, myself included. We watch our team struggle against a team they really "should" beat soundly and we get frustrated and think we won't be able to compete against the really "good" teams, but if we just look around we see the same thing happening everywhere. 

Just one example among several this week: Kansas City trounced the 49ers and look like the best team in the NFL, but just a couple weeks ago they lost to the Colts, who looked like the most inept team in the NFL yesterday against the Titans. And if you think the 49ers are done now? Think again. 

I think it's just that in the NFL in 2022, every team has talent on their roster. Winning and losing mostly comes down to being healthy and the game plan you draw up for your opponent, and theirs for you. And that will always be a shifting, moving target. 

@"purplefaithful" said: Amen AGR...

Dont need to remind me he's our best QB since Favre...Warts and all

Favre had plenty shit games and an entire shit season for us that we all try to forget 

@"StickyBun" said: I've mentioned this several times in the past: watch NFL Redzone and tell me that Kirk isn't playing as well as anyone most games. Most fans are way too close to the trees to see the forest.

For sure. The only thing that bothers me are the serial 3 and outs we see with Kirk at times. He has shown an improvement in overcoming adversity and deficits, and despite his personal statistics not being as good, is winning. He is certainly playing better and the defense is the primary area of concern.

@"jargomcfargo" said:

@"StickyBun" said: I've mentioned this several times in the past: watch NFL Redzone and tell me that Kirk isn't playing as well as anyone most games. Most fans are way too close to the trees to see the forest.

For sure. The only thing that bothers me are the serial 3 and outs we see with Kirk at times. He has shown an improvement in overcoming adversity and deficits, and despite his personal statistics not being as good, is winning. He is certainly playing better and the defense is the primary area of concern.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"jargomcfargo" said:

@"StickyBun" said: I've mentioned this several times in the past: watch NFL Redzone and tell me that Kirk isn't playing as well as anyone most games. Most fans are way too close to the trees to see the forest.

For sure. The only thing that bothers me are the serial 3 and outs we see with Kirk at times. He has shown an improvement in overcoming adversity and deficits, and despite his personal statistics not being as good, is winning. He is certainly playing better and the defense is the primary area of concern.

You really think Cousins is playing better because we're winning? I don't agree. I thought he was significantly better last season after 6 games than he has been this season. But that's really only because he was helming an offense he knew inside and out, and this year is dealing with a new offense he's not completely comfortable in....yet. I expect him and the whole offense to improve. 

However, what really IS better, is the coaching. I think the coaching, the discipline, the situational stuff...all of that is why we're 5-1. 

Pattersaur's Edit above really magnifies how special Allen and Mahomes are. They are by far the two most consistently great QB's in football right now. Every other QB, including Kirk, has been up and down or just down.

@"1VikesFan" said: Pattersaur's Edit above really magnifies how special Allen and Mahomes are. They are by far the two most consistently great QB's in football right now. Every other QB, including Kirk, has been up and down or just down.

It does make you sort of rethink the 1st round QBs. Of the 24 QBs taken in the 1st round since 2016, only two, Allen and Mahomes, are sure-fire superstars. Some are close (Herbert, Burrow, Lamar). Some look sometimes good, sometimes bad (Murray, Tua, Mac Jones, Lawrence). The rest have just been mostly bad (Wilson, Fields, Lance, Love, Dimes, Haskins, Baker, Darnold, Rosen, Trubisky, Goff, Wentz, Lynch). 

Even though I really like Will Levis in the draft, this just sorta reinforces my belief that maybe the best thing the Vikings can do is continue to build around Cousins.

MB---don't go soft in the head---we need the QB of the future on the roster soaking it in for a year or two.  If we're in the position to strike roll that dice or we'll be at the mercy of luck later on.

@"Akvike" said: MB---don't go soft in the head---we need the QB of the future on the roster soaking it in for a year or two.  If we're in the position to strike roll that dice or we'll be at the mercy of luck later on.

I did say "maybe." So I can be convinced. Just depends on so many factors: How does Cousins finish the year? Where do the Vikings finish? What QBs are within striking distance? 

Ideally, we could draft the QB and have him sit for a year or two. What we absolutely can't do is use Cousins as the piece that gets us in position. IOW, we can't trade him for a shot in the dark rookie. JMO.

Talent has never been an issue with Cousins, it has been more of his leadership and his ability to put the team on his back and will them to a victory.  It has been great to see him more passionate and animated this year and hopefully he continues to build upon that.

Watching Mahomes yesterday, he is just at another level, same thing with Josh Allen, it is huge to have a QB who just transforms your team.  

Cousins is streaky and when he is good he is very, very good and when he is bad he is horrid...

That said I think they could run with KC longer - but it'll be interesting to see what they do next year in the draft/FA and rationale. Still lots of football left this year so no telling how that'll play out. 

They do need a #2 WR who can stretch the field, and the D needs some loving too - more than the offense imo. 

Keep rolling with Kirk unless we can get a very good prospect. He’s top 1/3 of the league.