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That call against Grady Jarrett on Brady was complete bullshit. One of the worst roughing calls I have ever seen.

#1 · Oct 10, 12:23 PM
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Yup, bs call - suspend the ref. 

#2 · Oct 10, 12:31 PM
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Brady when asked post-game about the call; "I don't throw the flags"

Can blame him, dont want to piss off the players or the ref's. 

#3 · Oct 10, 12:36 PM
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The rules do not apply to Brady and Rodgers, it has always been that way.  Does anyone think that Brady or Rodgers would not have come immediately back into the game yesterday if they took the hit that Teddy took.

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@"purplefaithful" said: Yup, bs call - suspend the ref. 
Jerome Boger is a shit ref,  always has been and likely always will be.  I put him on the same level as Angel Hernandez in baseball... they just plain suck and should not have their jobs.
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@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"purplefaithful" said: Yup, bs call - suspend the ref. 
Jerome Boger is a shit ref,  always has been and likely always will be.  I put him on the same level as Angel Hernandez in baseball... they just plain suck and should not have their jobs.
Completely agree! If Boger and his crew are reffing your game, expect a ton of flags with half them being ticky tack or just straight bullshit calls. The fact he is still an NFL ref astounds me, but then again it would take a seriously agregious act for the NFL to fire an African American employee. But he should be..
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Another bogus called on MNF, just ridiculous, they are ruining the game.  Chiefs really screwed on that. 

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I think some of these failures of officiating are a direct result of 2 things,  1 is the leagues over reaction to certain injuries to certain players,  you can't make mandates to fit only certain players and situations,  the other is the leagues directives to the officials to focus on certain penalties,  at times they are so focused on say illegal contact by Dbs,  they completely forget to watch for things like offensive PI, or other infractions. 

How many times do we see defenders get flagged for using the crown of the helmet when it was the offensive player that lowers their helmet on nearly every tackle?  Why are ball carriers allowed to stiff arm the defenders head /face but about any contact to an opposing players face draws a penalty?

They need to clean up the rules so 1 rule applies to all and then I think the game will see better officiating. 

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as pointed out above these rules only apply to certain QBs, how manytimes has Kirk been hit in the helmet this year?

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@"rf54" said: as pointed out above these rules only apply to certain QBs, how manytimes has Kirk been hit in the helmet this year?
Did anyone see the roughing call on Carr last night?  That one was total BS, but I would have a hard time believing Carr would be on any secret "QB Protection List".  That crap call negated a perfect strip sack and should've been KCs ball right there.
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@"HappyViking" said:
@"rf54" said: as pointed out above these rules only apply to certain QBs, how manytimes has Kirk been hit in the helmet this year?
Did anyone see the roughing call on Carr last night?  That one was total BS, but I would have a hard time believing Carr would be on any secret "QB Protection List".  That crap call negated a perfect strip sack and should've been KCs ball right there.
Should carr even be considered the passer when he fumbled the ball and he’s just a player at that point?
#11 · Oct 11, 9:45 AM
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Lets just make QBs down by two hand touch behind the line if this is what we’re going to call. 

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@"AGRforever" said: Lets just make QBs down by two hand touch behind the line if this is what we’re going to call. 
Seems to be heading that way doesn't it?
#13 · Oct 11, 10:03 AM
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The "Bodyweight Rule" came about as a result of Barr's sack of AR that put him out for the season. The NFL dislikes their star QBs missing the majority of the season.

Given the emphasis on protecting the star QBs & in light of the Tua injury, I don't see this rule being relaxed. Up until the 2020 season, PI penalties could be reviewed by challenge. It was changed because it broke up the flow of the game.  Maybe Roughing the Passer should be subject to review. There's so few Roughing the Passer penalties each game that the flow will be unaffected.

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@"Knucklehead" said: The "Bodyweight Rule" came about as a result of Barr's sack of AR that put him out for the season. The NFL dislikes their star QBs missing the majority of the season.

Given the emphasis on protecting the star QBs & in light of the Tua injury, I don't see this rule being relaxed. Up until the 2020 season, PI penalties could be reviewed by challenge. It was changed because it broke up the flow of the game.  Maybe Roughing the Passer should be subject to review. There's so few Roughing the Passer penalties each game that the flow will be unaffected.


the body weight rule is the reason we are seeing the defenders tossing the QBs to the ground instead of conventional tackle where you body weight may land on the QB depending on how he reacts to being tackled.

time to take the dresses of the QBs and make them be football players.

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It's illegal to tackle them low. It's illegal to tackle them high. It's illegal to touch their head or facemask. It's illegal to fall on them. It's pretty much illegal to tackle them. They are granted better protection than Trojan condoms!

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My question on the Carr sack is that the defender had already knocked the ball out and had possession prior to his committing what would be a roughing the passer by the "Rodgers" rule.  Carr was no longer the passer at that point.  Shouldn't that negate the call?

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@"badgervike" said: My question on the Carr sack is that the defender had already knocked the ball out and had possession prior to his committing what would be a roughing the passer by the "Rodgers" rule.  Carr was no longer the passer at that point.  Shouldn't that negate the call?
but there are still those rules that prevent targeting a QB after things like interceptions,  IMO, if they are on the field and are on their feet... they get treated like any other player.
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@"AGRforever" said:
@"HappyViking" said:
@"rf54" said: as pointed out above these rules only apply to certain QBs, how manytimes has Kirk been hit in the helmet this year?
Did anyone see the roughing call on Carr last night?  That one was total BS, but I would have a hard time believing Carr would be on any secret "QB Protection List".  That crap call negated a perfect strip sack and should've been KCs ball right there.
Should carr even be considered the passer when he fumbled the ball and he’s just a player at that point?
Very good question...
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@"Wetlander" said:
@"AGRforever" said:
@"HappyViking" said:
@"rf54" said: as pointed out above these rules only apply to certain QBs, how manytimes has Kirk been hit in the helmet this year?
Did anyone see the roughing call on Carr last night?  That one was total BS, but I would have a hard time believing Carr would be on any secret "QB Protection List".  That crap call negated a perfect strip sack and should've been KCs ball right there.
Should carr even be considered the passer when he fumbled the ball and he’s just a player at that point?
Very good question...
I don't think he should be at that point. But the league is going to protect the franchise investments, right or wrong. 
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they said that he’s still afforded QB protection at that point, but the ball should have been awarded to the D either way, imo…

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