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Last 2 defenses have done a good job of doubling, bracketing JJ...

I'm not seeing as much pre-snap movement as game 1 either.

Rams managed to keep Kupp a stud, what do we do next with ours???

Hurry-up Vikings, we ain't getting any younger! 

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I thought the strength of this team would be their ability to exploit the forced attention JJ receives.

In 3 games I haven't seen it.

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@"Mattyman" said: I thought the strength of this team would be their ability to exploit the forced attention JJ receives.

In 3 games I haven't seen it.


AT yesterday was a taste of it I guess...KJO had some big catches at the end, but I thought DC/TM, AT, KJO, ISM would be more than able to pick up the slack when D's are concentrated on JJ. Doesnt seem liked that happened too much so far. 

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K.J. Osborn delivers with game on the line and eyes on his Vikings teammatesBeing a third receiver behind Justin Jefferson and Adam Thielen means that K.J. Osborn will face favorable coverages and golden opportunities.

The klieg lights attached to the minicams were blinding. Sweat budded from K.J. Osborn's forehead, one of his answers sounding as dramatic as the catch he had just made.
"This is what happens in the light," Osborn said. "But we do a lot in the dark."
He had just sliced through the Lions defense for a 28-yard touchdown reception with 45 seconds remaining that lifted the Vikings to a 28-24 victory at U.S. Bank Stadium.
Now Osborn, the third-year Vikings receiver, was talking about being a veer-formation running back in high school in Ypsilanti, Mich., and growing up watching Lions games, and how his job is to wait and work, and work and wait, until he finds himself running free toward the end zone, that moment in the light justifying all that time in the shadows.
The Vikings had fallen behind 14-0. They had lost running back Dalvin Cook to a shoulder injury. They had produced zero sacks. Star receiver Justin Jefferson had managed only three catches for 14 yards.
Now they were driving trailing by three, with no timeouts, and Osborn was lining up to the right next to Adam Thielen, both of them breaking inside at the snap.
Thielen stayed shallow. Osborn reversed field and cut toward the corner of the end zone. Former Viking Mike Hughes followed far behind. Vikings quarterback Kirk Cousins hit Osborn in stride, the ease of his touchdown belying the difficulty of the day, and Hughes turned to stare at his teammates questioningly.
"It looked like he was about to blitz," Osborn said. "So I `stemmed' him, kept my leverage, lost him, threw my hand up, Kirk threw a great ball, as always, and the rest is history."
Osborn's history suggests that former Vikings General Manager Rick Spielman had something to do with this victory. He chose Osborn in the fifth round of the 2020 draft.
Osborn played his first three collegiate seasons at Buffalo before transferring to the University of Miami, where he caught 50 passes for 547 yards and five touchdowns. Last year, he caught 50 passes for 655 yards and seven touchdowns, including the game-winner at Carolina.
Being a third receiver who plays with two stars in Thielen and Jefferson means that Osborn will face favorable coverages. It also means he is a clear third option. He will find himself open and unobserved more than most receivers would like.
"I play with two amazing wide receivers," Osborn said. "Adam, he had his 50th touchdown reception today — amazing. And Justin is the best in the league. I know they're going to get a lot of double coverage and that's going to leave me one-on-one or wide open."
Earlier, Cousins had missed Osborn on what could have been an easy touchdown. When you're Osborn, you don't know if you're going to get another chance.
"Kirk does an unbelievable job in preparation, and he inspires me to be as prepared as he is," Osborn said. "So that in tense situations in these tight, critical moments, he's able to trust me and come to me."
Osborn competes with two excellent receivers for targets. He may be Thielen's future replacement, but that, too, requires the kind of patience NFL receivers are not presumed to possess.
"He puts in that work every single day," Jefferson said. "Every. Single. Day. He has that determination, to try to be better than he was yesterday. Him coming out here and making these plays, that's expected for him."
Teammates described Osborn as quiet and dutiful. Cousins said Osborn's work in two-minute drills, especially in practice, had earned him playing time and attention. In a two-minute drill, Cousins and the offensive coaches don't have time to worry about reputations and egos. The first player open gets the ball.
Osborn is often that player, and his submerged ego does not reflect a lack of ambition.
He's reading a book titled "Chop Wood, Carry Water: How to Fall in Love With the Process of Becoming Great."
The process took almost 60 minutes on Sunday.
https://www.startribune.com/vikings-lions-kj-osborn-justin-jefferson-adam-thielen-jim-souhan/600210206/

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@"Mattyman" said: I thought the strength of this team would be their ability to exploit the forced attention JJ receives.

In 3 games I haven't seen it.


I think that will evolve into a strength. We haven't seen it yet because, in the 1st game, the Packers chose not to cover JJ. In the 2nd game, we made the mistake of assuming the Eagles would do the same. They did not and we forced it to JJ too many times. I think in game 3, we saw that open up a little more. More from Dalvin, more from Thielen and KJO.

I think 5, 6 weeks from now when the offense settles in a little bit, we're going to see all of that even out. That's my hope anyway. 

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@"MaroonBells" said:
@"Mattyman" said: I thought the strength of this team would be their ability to exploit the forced attention JJ receives.

In 3 games I haven't seen it.


I think that will evolve into a strength. We haven't seen it yet because, in the 1st game, the Packers chose not to cover JJ. In the 2nd game, we made the mistake of assuming the Eagles would do the same. They did not and we forced it to JJ too many times. I think in game 3, we saw that open up a little more. More from Dalvin, more from Thielen and KJO.

I think 5, 6 weeks from now when the offense settles in a little bit, we're going to see all of that even out. That's my hope anyway. 



Agreed. I think it's a work in progress. None of the starters played in the preseason so I think that contributes to the rust. As MB said, 5-6 weeks from now this team should start hitting it's stride offensively.

What is encouraging from an offensive perspective, the O-Line is playing damn well so far imo.

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@"PurpleCrush" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"Mattyman" said: I thought the strength of this team would be their ability to exploit the forced attention JJ receives.

In 3 games I haven't seen it.


I think that will evolve into a strength. We haven't seen it yet because, in the 1st game, the Packers chose not to cover JJ. In the 2nd game, we made the mistake of assuming the Eagles would do the same. They did not and we forced it to JJ too many times. I think in game 3, we saw that open up a little more. More from Dalvin, more from Thielen and KJO.

I think 5, 6 weeks from now when the offense settles in a little bit, we're going to see all of that even out. That's my hope anyway. 



Agreed. I think it's a work in progress. None of the starters played in the preseason so I think that contributes to the rust. As MB said, 5-6 weeks from now this team should start hitting it's stride offensively.

What is encouraging from an offensive perspective, the O-Line is playing damn well so far imo.



I'm curious to see the PFF grades for the OL. From the highlights it looked like Darrisaw, O'Neill and (yes, actually) Bradbury played fairly well. But I'm always surprised by what the PFF grades are when they come in. Didn't notice Cleveland much, but I saw Ingram get beat a couple of times. 

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@"MaroonBells" said:
@"PurpleCrush" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"Mattyman" said: I thought the strength of this team would be their ability to exploit the forced attention JJ receives.

In 3 games I haven't seen it.


I think that will evolve into a strength. We haven't seen it yet because, in the 1st game, the Packers chose not to cover JJ. In the 2nd game, we made the mistake of assuming the Eagles would do the same. They did not and we forced it to JJ too many times. I think in game 3, we saw that open up a little more. More from Dalvin, more from Thielen and KJO.

I think 5, 6 weeks from now when the offense settles in a little bit, we're going to see all of that even out. That's my hope anyway. 



Agreed. I think it's a work in progress. None of the starters played in the preseason so I think that contributes to the rust. As MB said, 5-6 weeks from now this team should start hitting it's stride offensively.

What is encouraging from an offensive perspective, the O-Line is playing damn well so far imo.



I'm curious to see the PFF grades for the OL. From the highlights it looked like Darrisaw, O'Neill and (yes, actually) Bradbury played fairly well. But I'm always surprised by what the PFF grades are when they come in. Didn't notice Cleveland much, but I saw Ingram get beat a couple of times. 


Here's the top PFF grades on offense (tweets not showing up for whatever reason):

Ben Ellefson: 93.1

Christian Darrisaw: 89.4
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Johnny Mundt: 81.4

K.J. Osborn: 78.3

Garrett Bradbury: 77.8

Adam Thielen: 77.0

Kirk Cousins: 76.6

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Christian Darrisaw didn't allow a single pressure on 47 pass blocking snaps yesterday, per PFF. He was also the Vikings' best run blocker (88.4 pass block grade, 86.7 run block grade).

Incredible game from the second-year LT.

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#Vikings Week 3 offense top 5 PFF grades (min. 15 snaps):

1. Darrisaw 89.4

2. Mundt 81.4

3. Osborn 78.3

4. Bradbury 77.8

5. Thielen 77.0

 Bottom 3

3. O'Neill 62.3

2. Jefferson 43.9

1. Ingram 40.8

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#Vikings Week 3 defense top 5 PFF grades (min. 15 snaps):

1. Hunter 83.9

2. Metellus, Z. Smith 82.7

4. Tomlinson 76.7

5. Hicks 74.3

 Bottom 3

3. Kendricks 55.8

2. Sullivan 48.7

1. Danztler 46.4

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Vikings OL rankings in PFF overall grades (50%+ snaps):

O'Neill 12th of 61 tackles

Darrisaw 14th

Cleveland 18th of 60 guards
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Ingram 39th

Bradbury 6th of 30 centers

Vikings team blocking grade rankings
Pass block 15th
Run block 4th

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#Vikings' starting offensive line grades through three weeks:

Darrisaw: 75.5 (14th / 70 T)

Cleveland: 68.7 (20th / 73 G)

Bradbury: 69.8 (6th / 35 C)

Ingram: 56.2 (43rd / 73 G)

O'Neill: 75.9 (12th / 70 T)


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@"PurpleCrush" said:
Christian Darrisaw didn't allow a single pressure on 47 pass blocking snaps yesterday, per PFF. He was also the Vikings' best run blocker (88.4 pass block grade, 86.7 run block grade).

Incredible game from the second-year LT.



I think we have ourselves a left tackle. Hutchinson, who recorded three sacks and who knows how many pressures against the Commies, had 1 pressure and zero sacks? Gotta love that. 

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@"MaroonBells" said:
@"PurpleCrush" said:
Christian Darrisaw didn't allow a single pressure on 47 pass blocking snaps yesterday, per PFF. He was also the Vikings' best run blocker (88.4 pass block grade, 86.7 run block grade).

Incredible game from the second-year LT.



I think we have ourselves a left tackle. Hutchinson, who recorded three sacks and who knows how many pressures against the Commies, had 1 pressure and zero sacks? Gotta love that. 


 
Dare I say, we may actually have ourselves a competent O-Line?

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@"PurpleCrush" said:
#Vikings Week 3 offense top 5 PFF grades (min. 15 snaps):

1. Darrisaw 89.4

2. Mundt 81.4

3. Osborn 78.3

4. Bradbury 77.8

5. Thielen 77.0

 Bottom 3

3. O'Neill 62.3

2. Jefferson 43.9

1. Ingram 40.8



A lot to unpack here. So it looks like the Lions targeted O'Neill over Darrisaw. That could just be residue from Ingram targets. And that Bradbury grade raises an eyebrow. He graded well last week too. 

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@"MaroonBells" said: https://twitter.com/VikesCentral/status/1574434622389248002?s=20&t=GKadEia98gB4Axco4J0Tgw
And he's gone up against guys like Clark/Reed in GB, Cox/Davis in Philly, and McNeill/Brockers for Detroit. Not too shabby.

Guarded optimism for now.

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@"PurpleCrush" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"PurpleCrush" said:
Christian Darrisaw didn't allow a single pressure on 47 pass blocking snaps yesterday, per PFF. He was also the Vikings' best run blocker (88.4 pass block grade, 86.7 run block grade).

Incredible game from the second-year LT.



I think we have ourselves a left tackle. Hutchinson, who recorded three sacks and who knows how many pressures against the Commies, had 1 pressure and zero sacks? Gotta love that. 


 
Dare I say, we may actually have ourselves a competent O-Line?


https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1574442870358118416?s=20&t=OHOulmec7d80ileHpsVCdA

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@"PurpleCrush" said:
@"MaroonBells" said: https://twitter.com/VikesCentral/status/1574434622389248002?s=20&t=GKadEia98gB4Axco4J0Tgw
And he's gone up against guys like Clark/Reed in GB, Cox/Davis in Philly, and McNeill/Brockers for Detroit. Not too shabby.

Guarded optimism for now.



Yep. Not like he's gone up against garbage. But that's the kind of the NFL now: excellent DTs. Almost every week is a challenge inside. 

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