this defense is horseshit

the middle of the D is just wide open. I am trying to be patient knowing it is a new defense but damn....

@"Kentis" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: The pass rush really is awful and damn near non-existent.  I had my doubts about the personnel on this side of the ball coming into the year, now I have questions on the scheme too. 

I think the Lions’ OL is pretty damn good too…

@"purplefaithful" said: The pass rush really is awful and damn near non-existent.  I had my doubts about the personnel on this side of the ball coming into the year, now I have questions on the scheme too. 

Don't know how the Vikings are 2-1 with this lack of pass rush. Seriously. 

@"1VikesFan" said: Unbelievable, simply stunning 

This is how I felt. Did this just happen? The TD to Osborn just kind of bang, came out of nowhere. This is how Minnesota loses games, not wins them. KOC is an aggressive game caller and that's what you need in today's NFL because its SO easy to have 40 seconds left, 1 timeout and get in FG range. VERY easy.

I felt like the team stole one, which is usually what other teams do to Minnesota late. Like that feeling.

I'm still in disbelief we pulled a dub from that dog. And yes the defense needs work. 

But keep this in mind....Cousins pulled games out in the 4th quarter several times last year, too, only to watch his defense give it right back. So far this year, against three good teams, the Vikings defense has given up zero points in the 4th quarter. 

Which begs the question: is the incremental defensive improvement we see during the course of a game, what we might see from game to game as the players come to better grips with Donatell's philosophy? 

@"MaroonBells" said: I'm still in disbelief we pulled a dub from that dog. And yes the defense needs work. 

But keep this in mind....Cousins pulled games out in the 4th quarter several times last year, too, only to watch his defense give it right back. So far this year, against three good teams, the Vikings defense has given up zero points in the 4th quarter. 

Which begs the question: is the incremental defensive improvement we see during the course of a game, what we might see from game to game as the players come to better grips with Donatell's philosophy? 

Excellent point! 

How many games did that happen? I'll bet at least 4 or 5 of the teams losses were just that. 

We should win vs Jameis and Saints.

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: I'm still in disbelief we pulled a dub from that dog. And yes the defense needs work. 

But keep this in mind....Cousins pulled games out in the 4th quarter several times last year, too, only to watch his defense give it right back. So far this year, against three good teams, the Vikings defense has given up zero points in the 4th quarter. 

Which begs the question: is the incremental defensive improvement we see during the course of a game, what we might see from game to game as the players come to better grips with Donatell's philosophy? 

Excellent point! 

How many games did that happen? I'll bet at least 4 or 5 of the teams losses were just that. 

We should win vs Jameis and Saints.

Detroit has a real offense.  They put up more points against the Eagles than they did against us.  Maybe, just maybe, the NFL favors the offense.  That and maybe Zimmer was a good defensive coach when he had CBs and a pass rush.

@"greediron" said: Detroit has a real offense.  They put up more points against the Eagles than they did against us.  Maybe, just maybe, the NFL favors the offense.  That and maybe Zimmer was a good defensive coach when he had CBs and a pass rush.

He was. Zero doubt about it. But he was passive in attacking offensively with a lead. That's not the modern NFL. Look at the difference with KOC saying he was going for the TD to win, it made Detroit's ability to really comeback almost zero. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"greediron" said: Detroit has a real offense.  They put up more points against the Eagles than they did against us.  Maybe, just maybe, the NFL favors the offense.  That and maybe Zimmer was a good defensive coach when he had CBs and a pass rush.

He was. Zero doubt about it. But he was passive in attacking offensively with a lead. That's not the modern NFL. Look at the difference with KOC saying he was going for the TD to win, it made Detroit's ability to really comeback almost zero. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"greediron" said: Detroit has a real offense.  They put up more points against the Eagles than they did against us.  Maybe, just maybe, the NFL favors the offense.  That and maybe Zimmer was a good defensive coach when he had CBs and a pass rush.

He was. Zero doubt about it. But he was passive in attacking offensively with a lead. That's not the modern NFL. Look at the difference with KOC saying he was going for the TD to win, it made Detroit's ability to really comeback almost zero. 

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"greediron" said: Detroit has a real offense.  They put up more points against the Eagles than they did against us.  Maybe, just maybe, the NFL favors the offense.  That and maybe Zimmer was a good defensive coach when he had CBs and a pass rush.

He was. Zero doubt about it. But he was passive in attacking offensively with a lead. That's not the modern NFL. Look at the difference with KOC saying he was going for the TD to win, it made Detroit's ability to really comeback almost zero. 

No doubt this is a completely different philosophy regarding offense.  Sadly the defensive philosophy is completely opposite as well.

Cousins seemed to have a swagger on that winning drive, kind of like he knew they were driving for a touchdown instead of a tying field goal.  On the touchdown throw to Osborn, thanks to the Lions defense leaving Mike Hughes in coverage on KJ.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"greediron" said: Detroit has a real offense.  They put up more points against the Eagles than they did against us.  Maybe, just maybe, the NFL favors the offense.  That and maybe Zimmer was a good defensive coach when he had CBs and a pass rush.

He was. Zero doubt about it. But he was passive in attacking offensively with a lead. That's not the modern NFL. Look at the difference with KOC saying he was going for the TD to win, it made Detroit's ability to really comeback almost zero. 

No doubt this is a completely different philosophy regarding offense.  Sadly the defensive philosophy is completely opposite as well.

I dont know about that,  this seems to be a bend dont break ( although it has done so often) approach to defense that forces teams to make plays underneath and not give up the big plays (emphasis on TRIES)  and that seemed to be Zims approach as well.

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"greediron" said: Detroit has a real offense.  They put up more points against the Eagles than they did against us.  Maybe, just maybe, the NFL favors the offense.  That and maybe Zimmer was a good defensive coach when he had CBs and a pass rush.

He was. Zero doubt about it. But he was passive in attacking offensively with a lead. That's not the modern NFL. Look at the difference with KOC saying he was going for the TD to win, it made Detroit's ability to really comeback almost zero. 

No doubt this is a completely different philosophy regarding offense.  Sadly the defensive philosophy is completely opposite as well.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"greediron" said: Detroit has a real offense.  They put up more points against the Eagles than they did against us.  Maybe, just maybe, the NFL favors the offense.  That and maybe Zimmer was a good defensive coach when he had CBs and a pass rush.

He was. Zero doubt about it. But he was passive in attacking offensively with a lead. That's not the modern NFL. Look at the difference with KOC saying he was going for the TD to win, it made Detroit's ability to really comeback almost zero. 

No doubt this is a completely different philosophy regarding offense.  Sadly the defensive philosophy is completely opposite as well.

Not sure about that. Less points scored against on average for sure this season. They bend but aren't breaking too much other than Philly, and they look like world beaters so far. 

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"greediron" said: Detroit has a real offense.  They put up more points against the Eagles than they did against us.  Maybe, just maybe, the NFL favors the offense.  That and maybe Zimmer was a good defensive coach when he had CBs and a pass rush.

He was. Zero doubt about it. But he was passive in attacking offensively with a lead. That's not the modern NFL. Look at the difference with KOC saying he was going for the TD to win, it made Detroit's ability to really comeback almost zero. 

No doubt this is a completely different philosophy regarding offense.  Sadly the defensive philosophy is completely opposite as well.

Not sure about that. Less points scored against on average for sure this season. They bend but aren't breaking too much other than Philly, and they look like world beaters so far. 

The game comments don't seem to reflect that.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"greediron" said: Detroit has a real offense.  They put up more points against the Eagles than they did against us.  Maybe, just maybe, the NFL favors the offense.  That and maybe Zimmer was a good defensive coach when he had CBs and a pass rush.

He was. Zero doubt about it. But he was passive in attacking offensively with a lead. That's not the modern NFL. Look at the difference with KOC saying he was going for the TD to win, it made Detroit's ability to really comeback almost zero. 

No doubt this is a completely different philosophy regarding offense.  Sadly the defensive philosophy is completely opposite as well.

Not sure about that. Less points scored against on average for sure this season. They bend but aren't breaking too much other than Philly, and they look like world beaters so far. 

The game comments don't seem to reflect that.

https://twitter.com/TheRealForno/status/1574411363107102724

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"greediron" said: Detroit has a real offense.  They put up more points against the Eagles than they did against us.  Maybe, just maybe, the NFL favors the offense.  That and maybe Zimmer was a good defensive coach when he had CBs and a pass rush.

He was. Zero doubt about it. But he was passive in attacking offensively with a lead. That's not the modern NFL. Look at the difference with KOC saying he was going for the TD to win, it made Detroit's ability to really comeback almost zero. 

No doubt this is a completely different philosophy regarding offense.  Sadly the defensive philosophy is completely opposite as well.

Not sure about that. Less points scored against on average for sure this season. They bend but aren't breaking too much other than Philly, and they look like world beaters so far. 

The game comments don't seem to reflect that.

https://twitter.com/TheRealForno/status/1574411363107102724

Guess that goes to show the value of comments on an internet forum.