Do the Eagles have our O playbook?

it is a bit crazy they are in the perfect position every play

@"Mike Olson" said: it is a bit crazy they are in the perfect position every play

Fucking pathetic,  O and D were both grossly exposed.  Not even sure where to start with my pissin and moaning.   Thats as a complete team loss as we have seen in a while.

When you run the exact same plays on offense and defense over and over again it is pretty easy to predict, perhaps we could have forced that screen that worked so beautifully ;) a few more times.

i think it was the worst i have seen the d play since 2020 saints.
Not going to get very far if you cant stop the run or the pass.
This game really highlighted for me what i have felt all along. Lack of top end talent on d and that will not be cured overnight. the supposed stars are older and its not 2017 anymore.
Kirk prime time cousins did his usual tentative dance, nothing new there.

Vikings have a good punter 

I stopped watching at halftime but what I saw was the same old Vikings looking unprepared, outcoached and just not executing. Combine that with the fact that we just don't win in Philly, and the Eagles are probably one of the top teams in the conference from a talent perspective. If Hurts is throwing like that on top of his running abillty..watch out. The Eagles do a great job of keeping teams guessing and they have great weapons and an upper echelon offensive line. Back to the drawing board for KOC

@"NorthernCalVike" said: seems like they got copies sent to them. They seem ti know what we’re doing all the time. I thought oir new O was goong to be unpredictable. Guess not

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"NorthernCalVike" said: seems like they got copies sent to them. They seem ti know what we’re doing all the time. I thought oir new O was goong to be unpredictable. Guess not

Got home late last night and breezed through the game, and this was my one big takeaway too. It seemed they knew exactly what we were going to do on nearly every play. 

@"Knucklehead" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"NorthernCalVike" said: seems like they got copies sent to them. They seem ti know what we’re doing all the time. I thought oir new O was goong to be unpredictable. Guess not

Got home late last night and breezed through the game, and this was my one big takeaway too. It seemed they knew exactly what we were going to do on nearly every play. 

So, you're saying that signing Janarius Robinson off of the Minny practice squad paid dividends? =)

It certainly seemed like they were ready for every play we
had on offense, and we had no counters.  Certainly
they gameplanned well for us, and we had nothing in the plan to account for
what they actually did.  On defense, I think
we just had a really shitty gameplan, like maybe the worst gameplan I’ve seen.  It looked like we were just playing prevent
all game.  There’s nothing that I saw
that indicated anything more aggressive than that.  I think they just came in with the plan that
we’re going to play zone, take away the deep ball, keep Hurts in the pocket and
make him beat us with his arm, and if he escaped the pocket, one of the guys
that was 30 yards deep would come and stop him, and then we didn’t keep him in
the pocket, and didn’t really cover any of the short or intermediate routes,
and let them run at will.

@"medaille" said: It certainly seemed like they were ready for every play we had on offense, and we had no counters.  Certainly they gameplanned well for us, and we had nothing in the plan to account for what they actually did.  On defense, I think we just had a really shitty gameplan, like maybe the worst gameplan I’ve seen.  It looked like we were just playing prevent all game.  There’s nothing that I saw that indicated anything more aggressive than that.  I think they just came in with the plan that we’re going to play zone, take away the deep ball, keep Hurts in the pocket and make him beat us with his arm, and if he escaped the pocket, one of the guys that was 30 yards deep would come and stop him, and then we didn’t keep him in the pocket, and didn’t really cover any of the short or intermediate routes, and let them run at will.

Put it this way, make them earn the yards, make them put together a drive.  A huge scramble is a good highlight, but it isn't a gameplan.  The OC can't go back to that play.  

As you say, our D handed them the game.

@"greediron" said:

@"medaille" said: It certainly seemed like they were ready for every play we had on offense, and we had no counters.  Certainly they gameplanned well for us, and we had nothing in the plan to account for what they actually did.  On defense, I think we just had a really shitty gameplan, like maybe the worst gameplan I’ve seen.  It looked like we were just playing prevent all game.  There’s nothing that I saw that indicated anything more aggressive than that.  I think they just came in with the plan that we’re going to play zone, take away the deep ball, keep Hurts in the pocket and make him beat us with his arm, and if he escaped the pocket, one of the guys that was 30 yards deep would come and stop him, and then we didn’t keep him in the pocket, and didn’t really cover any of the short or intermediate routes, and let them run at will.

Yup.  Trying to keep a mobile QB from getting big plays with his legs is a losing battle.  I say, play defense, make him pass to beat you rather than play a soft zone and let a mediocre passer carve up the D.  He still got his highlight runs and we did nothing to stop them from marching down the field.

Put it this way, make them earn the yards, make them put together a drive.  A huge scramble is a good highlight, but it isn't a gameplan.  The OC can't go back to that play.  

As you say, our D handed them the game.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"medaille" said: It certainly seemed like they were ready for every play we had on offense, and we had no counters.  Certainly they gameplanned well for us, and we had nothing in the plan to account for what they actually did.  On defense, I think we just had a really shitty gameplan, like maybe the worst gameplan I’ve seen.  It looked like we were just playing prevent all game.  There’s nothing that I saw that indicated anything more aggressive than that.  I think they just came in with the plan that we’re going to play zone, take away the deep ball, keep Hurts in the pocket and make him beat us with his arm, and if he escaped the pocket, one of the guys that was 30 yards deep would come and stop him, and then we didn’t keep him in the pocket, and didn’t really cover any of the short or intermediate routes, and let them run at will.

Yup.  Trying to keep a mobile QB from getting big plays with his legs is a losing battle.  I say, play defense, make him pass to beat you rather than play a soft zone and let a mediocre passer carve up the D.  He still got his highlight runs and we did nothing to stop them from marching down the field.

Put it this way, make them earn the yards, make them put together a drive.  A huge scramble is a good highlight, but it isn't a gameplan.  The OC can't go back to that play.  

As you say, our D handed them the game.

I have a hard time putting it on the D.  4 of our 5 first half drives were 3 and outs,  the D was left on the field way 2 much in that first half,  and our O put up seven points...the whole game and they only got 7 points to show for it.,  how is that the D handing them the game.  24 points is not a total embarrassment,  how fast it happened was,  but just maybe if the O had sustained more than 1 drive in the first half things could have been different.

Our O was putrid and a complete shit show,  and its the O that is supposed to carry this team with the weapons it has.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"medaille" said: It certainly seemed like they were ready for every play we had on offense, and we had no counters.  Certainly they gameplanned well for us, and we had nothing in the plan to account for what they actually did.  On defense, I think we just had a really shitty gameplan, like maybe the worst gameplan I’ve seen.  It looked like we were just playing prevent all game.  There’s nothing that I saw that indicated anything more aggressive than that.  I think they just came in with the plan that we’re going to play zone, take away the deep ball, keep Hurts in the pocket and make him beat us with his arm, and if he escaped the pocket, one of the guys that was 30 yards deep would come and stop him, and then we didn’t keep him in the pocket, and didn’t really cover any of the short or intermediate routes, and let them run at will.

Yup.  Trying to keep a mobile QB from getting big plays with his legs is a losing battle.  I say, play defense, make him pass to beat you rather than play a soft zone and let a mediocre passer carve up the D.  He still got his highlight runs and we did nothing to stop them from marching down the field.

Put it this way, make them earn the yards, make them put together a drive.  A huge scramble is a good highlight, but it isn't a gameplan.  The OC can't go back to that play.  

As you say, our D handed them the game.

I have a hard time putting it on the D.  4 of our 5 first half drives were 3 and outs,  the D was left on the field way 2 much in that first half,  and our O put up seven points...the whole game and they only got 7 points to show for it.,  how is that the D handing them the game.  24 points is not a total embarrassment,  how fast it happened was,  but just maybe if the O had sustained more than 1 drive in the first half things could have been different.

Our O was putrid and a complete shit show,  and its the O that is supposed to carry this team with the weapons it has.

https://www.startribune.com/vikings-defense-fell-apart-eagles-53-yard-touchdown-quez-watkins-jalen-hurts/600208911/?refresh=true

@"greediron" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"medaille" said: It certainly seemed like they were ready for every play we had on offense, and we had no counters.  Certainly they gameplanned well for us, and we had nothing in the plan to account for what they actually did.  On defense, I think we just had a really shitty gameplan, like maybe the worst gameplan I’ve seen.  It looked like we were just playing prevent all game.  There’s nothing that I saw that indicated anything more aggressive than that.  I think they just came in with the plan that we’re going to play zone, take away the deep ball, keep Hurts in the pocket and make him beat us with his arm, and if he escaped the pocket, one of the guys that was 30 yards deep would come and stop him, and then we didn’t keep him in the pocket, and didn’t really cover any of the short or intermediate routes, and let them run at will.

Yup.  Trying to keep a mobile QB from getting big plays with his legs is a losing battle.  I say, play defense, make him pass to beat you rather than play a soft zone and let a mediocre passer carve up the D.  He still got his highlight runs and we did nothing to stop them from marching down the field.

Put it this way, make them earn the yards, make them put together a drive.  A huge scramble is a good highlight, but it isn't a gameplan.  The OC can't go back to that play.  

As you say, our D handed them the game.

I have a hard time putting it on the D.  4 of our 5 first half drives were 3 and outs,  the D was left on the field way 2 much in that first half,  and our O put up seven points...the whole game and they only got 7 points to show for it.,  how is that the D handing them the game.  24 points is not a total embarrassment,  how fast it happened was,  but just maybe if the O had sustained more than 1 drive in the first half things could have been different.

Our O was putrid and a complete shit show,  and its the O that is supposed to carry this team with the weapons it has.

Yes, seems the offense, specifically the protections left much to be desired.  But it seemed in the first half that the D was on the field because they didn't force them off the field.  They allowed methodical drives sprinkled with a few big plays.  So their plan to limit the big plays cut both ways.