Vikings open to trading Mattison
@"pattersaur" said:@"MaroonBells" said: Solid point by Braun. But if this is the case, just keep him. Also, I can't help but wonder if Mattison isn't partly pushing this. He wants to be a RB1 and he knows the Vikings might be very tempted to use Chandler, at least in part, as Cook's relief, diminishing his value in a contract year.https://twitter.com/LukeBraunNFL/status/1564303647646760960?s=20&t=3HxB5O1eJJ2CPaH-IGg0Qg
Agreed. If they can get a 3rd or even 4th then sure, move him, but I doubt those offers are out there. And anything less it’s kind of like eh, just keep him then part ways. By far the most likely scenario I think.I’m extremely skeptical that a dozen teams have shown interest, at any price. We’ll see what happens but my guess is he plays out the year here.
12 teams if you include those that called to say, "Well if you are going to throw it away..."
Ha, yep. Mattison is a solid player but the trade value of even elite RBs just doesn’t exist in 2022… and Mattison averaged 3.7 ypc last year.
No one’s comparing the two but for ref, Dalvin was at 4.7. There’s a few teams Mattison could be appealing to but would they rather save the pick and sign Kenyan Drake? Spend a little more and get Kareem Hunt? I just can’t see Mattison’s market being that big. More value to keep him around IMO.
Sony Michel was just released so the market isn't getting better for a trade.
When is trading deadline?
I'd hold onto Mattison until a few starting RBs go down with major injuries in the first 4 weeks. Someone will get desperate for him. Where's Rick Spielman when you need him!
@"MaroonBells" said: Solid point by Braun. But if this is the case, just keep him. Also, I can't help but wonder if Mattison isn't partly pushing this. He wants to be a RB1 and he knows the Vikings might be very tempted to use Chandler, at least in part, as Cook's relief, diminishing his value in a contract year.https://twitter.com/LukeBraunNFL/status/1564303647646760960?s=20&t=3HxB5O1eJJ2CPaH-IGg0Qg
At the same time, he is a proven commodity with low miles. Teams can spend a mid round pick and know they are going to get rewarded now vs using that pick on a mid round question mark for next year. And if he walks for a bigger payday somewhere else they can still recoup that mid round compensatory pick themselves. Losing one round of compensation on a mid to later day 2 pick for a cheap 1 year rental doesn't seem to bad to me. For the right team that is.
@"MaroonBells" said: https://twitter.com/VikeFans/status/1564296558039994373?s=20&t=_2jNZMOCAUj3NJmUzmyhMQIts all about the comp pick. It would be stupid to trade him for less then what we’re likely to get as w comp pick when he exits at the end of this year.
@"AGRforever" said:I will add a couple more thoughts to that: (a) The comp pick is not in the 2023 draft but the 2024 draft. For value calculation, a year is equal to one round. So a 2024 4th round pick is currently seen as worth a 5th round pick in 2023. (b) Additionally, the comp pick is at the end of the round. (c) Finally, the acquiring team is also taking the risk that he will be injured -- sinking his value. If you are truly digging in, you might also value the 2023 draft more than the 2024 draft (or vice versa). You may also think that you want more draft capital in 2023 in order to move up to draft that QB you want. Lots of factors to consider.@"MaroonBells" said: https://twitter.com/VikeFans/status/1564296558039994373?s=20&t=_2jNZMOCAUj3NJmUzmyhMQ Its all about the comp pick. It would be stupid to trade him for less then what we’re likely to get as w comp pick when he exits at the end of this year.So, it is not quite equating his value as what his current comp value is viewed unless you also take into account the year's delay in getting the comp pick and the risk of injury. Moreover, you have to take into account that Mattison may sink on the depth chart this season which also could hurt his comp pick.
Thus, this may be a case of one (draft pick) in the hand is better than two in the bush (especially if you think highly of the two birds sitting behind him on the roster.
Unless some unfortunate starting RB blows a knee, I don't see a market that would match the comp pick. He's more valuable to us as a backup than what we'd get in a trade.
@"MaroonBells" said:Sure, but from a negotiating standpoint the other team would approach it as trading for a guy who is a backup, not a starter. If Kwesi can get someone to give up a 3rd I'd say that his best work so far as g.m., but I don't see it happening.@"comet52" said: Well the comp pick would slot at the end of the 4th so even a 4th from some team is a higher pick. A team would have to want a backup rb bad to give up a 3rd, doesn't seem likely. If a team is going to trade for Mattison at all, it would be for him to at least compete for the starting job. And there are several teams out there who need an upgrade at starting RB.
@"BigAl99" said: Sony Michel was just released so the market isn't getting better for a trade.Sony Michel is garbage. Just another in the long line of Belichick Busts.
@"comet52" said:Right, agreed. A 3rd probably isn't happening. And you don't trade draft picks for backup running backs, no matter what they might say in negotiations.@"MaroonBells" said:Sure, but from a negotiating standpoint the other team would approach it as trading for a guy who is a backup, not a starter. If Kwesi can get someone to give up a 3rd I'd say that his best work so far as g.m., but I don't see it happening.@"comet52" said: Well the comp pick would slot at the end of the 4th so even a 4th from some team is a higher pick. A team would have to want a backup rb bad to give up a 3rd, doesn't seem likely. If a team is going to trade for Mattison at all, it would be for him to at least compete for the starting job. And there are several teams out there who need an upgrade at starting RB.I think this is about Mattison wanting to be a RB1 in a contract year, seeing the writing on the wall (Chandler) and the Vikings trying to do him a solid, but also trying to get something for a back who won't be on the team in a year.
I can see it being a conditional pick, between the 3rd and 5th round, based on certain factors.
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