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Pretty good article here with some real talk from KAM about the QB situation in the NFL in general. But, of course, look at the headline the sports media runs with, lol. So dull. Of course he isn't and nobody said he was. 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/vikings-kwesi-adofo-mensah-views-kirk-cousins-as-good-qb-but-is-not-tom-brady-patrick-mahomes/

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#1 · Jul 25, 2:46 PM
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At least Kwesi isn't trying to sell something that isn't there. Obviously he's not Brady or Mahomes. But realistically they weren't going to find anyone better in FA or the draft so a very smart move to keep him and try to improve the team around him. 

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“And while Cousins is often maligned for being unable to get the Vikings back to the promised land in February, he's still capable of putting up numbers -- even if they're not entirely the downfield kind. So, yes, Adofo-Mensah does view Cousins as a "good quarterback" 

*******Cousins is one of the best downfield throwers in the league. It’s his best attribute and he’s elite at it by nearly every statistical measure.

In fact, he was top 3 QB rating on passes over 20 yards.

Just dropping some reality into the conversation.

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@"Havoc1649" said: “And while Cousins is often maligned for being unable to get the Vikings back to the promised land in February, he's still capable of putting up numbers -- even if they're not entirely the downfield kind. So, yes, Adofo-Mensah does view Cousins as a "good quarterback" 

*******Cousins is one of the best downfield throwers in the league. It’s his best attribute and he’s elite at it by nearly every statistical measure.

In fact, he was top 3 QB rating on passes over 20 yards.

Just dropping some reality into the conversation.


His narrative, created by the media years ago, supersedes his actual results and impact. With some fans also. But that won't change, even if the guy wins a Super Bowl. Its too entrenched.

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@"Havoc1649" said: “And while Cousins is often maligned for being unable to get the Vikings back to the promised land in February, he's still capable of putting up numbers -- even if they're not entirely the downfield kind. So, yes, Adofo-Mensah does view Cousins as a "good quarterback" 

*******Cousins is one of the best downfield throwers in the league. It’s his best attribute and he’s elite at it by nearly every statistical measure.

In fact, he was top 3 QB rating on passes over 20 yards.

Just dropping some reality into the conversation.


Yeah, the constant misinformation surrounding Cousins is almost hard to believe. You want to talk about his leadership? His immobility? His vax stance? OK. Fair play. But don't give me this bullshit about him not being a downfield thrower. 

There are about a dozen stats I could post that disprove this. Here are three. 

Most 30+ Yard TD Passes,Since 2015: 1. Kirk Cousins (40)2. Philip Rivers (39)3. Russell Wilson (38)4. Matt Ryan (36)t5. Tom Brady (34)t5. Derek Carr (34)t7. Aaron Rodgers (31)t7. Ben Roethlisberger (31)t9. Drew Brees (29)t9. Ryan Tannehill (29) Most 40+ Yard TD Passes,Since 2015: 1. Kirk Cousins (32)2. Philip Rivers (30)3. Russell Wilson (28)t4. Derek Carr (26)t4. Patrick Mahomes (26)t6. Tom Brady (25)t6. Matt Ryan (25)8. Ryan Tannehill (23)t9. Dak Prescott (22)t9. Matthew Stafford (22) Most 25+ Yard Completions,Last 5 Seasons: 1. Kirk Cousins (180)2. Tom Brady (179)3. Russell Wilson (167)4. Philip Rivers (164)5. Matt Ryan (163)
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#5 · Jul 26, 6:12 AM
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Nothing will change until the results come. He has great stats no doubt but the biggest one is wins. It's a team sport and he has done some good as well as had some boneheaded moments. Hoping the coaching elevates and the defense and OL get it together.

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@"MaroonBells" said:
@"Havoc1649" said: “And while Cousins is often maligned for being unable to get the Vikings back to the promised land in February, he's still capable of putting up numbers -- even if they're not entirely the downfield kind. So, yes, Adofo-Mensah does view Cousins as a "good quarterback" 

*******Cousins is one of the best downfield throwers in the league. It’s his best attribute and he’s elite at it by nearly every statistical measure.

In fact, he was top 3 QB rating on passes over 20 yards.

Just dropping some reality into the conversation.


Yeah, the constant misinformation surrounding Cousins is almost hard to believe. You want to talk about his leadership? His immobility? His vax stance? OK. Fair play. But don't give me this bullshit about him not being a downfield thrower. 

There are about a dozen stats I could post that disprove this. Here are three. 

Most 30+ Yard TD Passes,Since 2015: 1. Kirk Cousins (40)2. Philip Rivers (39)3. Russell Wilson (38)4. Matt Ryan (36)t5. Tom Brady (34)t5. Derek Carr (34)t7. Aaron Rodgers (31)t7. Ben Roethlisberger (31)t9. Drew Brees (29)t9. Ryan Tannehill (29) Most 40+ Yard TD Passes,Since 2015: 1. Kirk Cousins (32)2. Philip Rivers (30)3. Russell Wilson (28)t4. Derek Carr (26)t4. Patrick Mahomes (26)t6. Tom Brady (25)t6. Matt Ryan (25)8. Ryan Tannehill (23)t9. Dak Prescott (22)t9. Matthew Stafford (22) Most 25+ Yard Completions,Last 5 Seasons: 1. Kirk Cousins (180)2. Tom Brady (179)3. Russell Wilson (167)4. Philip Rivers (164)5. Matt Ryan (163)
Are we still talking about the vax? lol smh. 

His downfield ability is great. He does so better than anyone. Having Diggs and JJ have truly helped in that regard as well being both are big time downfield receivers. 

I have huge concerns about his ability to perform when the big lights turn on or in prime time. 

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Clearly the author knows nothing about the Vikings:  "And, for his part, Adofo-Mensah explains the decision to keep the three-time Pro Bowler in the purple and white."
That be Purple and GOLD to you outsiders.

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@"AGRforever" said:
Clearly the author knows nothing about the Vikings:  "And, for his part, Adofo-Mensah explains the decision to keep the three-time Pro Bowler in the purple and white." That be Purple and GOLD to you outsiders.
Yeah, pretty clueless
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@"AGRforever" said:
Clearly the author knows nothing about the Vikings:  "And, for his part, Adofo-Mensah explains the decision to keep the three-time Pro Bowler in the purple and white." That be Purple and GOLD to you outsiders.
Pretty obvious the author is just fluffing and filling the page.
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#10 · Jul 26, 2:47 PM
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Zimmer would make these same types of comments regarding Kirk. It’s odd and it doesn’t really invite fans to throw all-in with the guy when you get the feeling the team is hesitant to do so themselves. I don’t really see or hear other GMs and coaches saying these things about their guaranteed deal “franchise” QB. Strange. 

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Also play calling, I bet there won't be throws behind the line of scrimmage on 3rd down or a lot of running on first down. I wonder if there will be more audibles too. More tight ends and 3 wide receiver sets. The offense should be more creative and less predictable. LFG! 

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@"Vikergirl" said: Also play calling, I bet there won't be throws behind the line of scrimmage on 3rd down or a lot of running on first down. I wonder if there will be more audibles too. More tight ends and 3 wide receiver sets. The offense should be more creative and less predictable. LFG! 
Dunno, I bet by week 3 there are people bitching about how they can predict the calls of the offense, how we throw to much/to little.

Maybe the honeymoon lasts a bit longer, but with fans, I doubt it.

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I liked our offense last year, except for Zimmer’s hand in dictating play calling and direction. I think the OC and team did a good job considering they had to work around that. There’s a reason why offensive coordinators were always bailing on Zimmer. Having listened to the few comments from Diggs, it seemed like he wanted out because of this run first philosophy. In reality, the OC kept it pretty balanced and JJ feasted, but the overall pressure to run, run, run never seemed to let up.
What I expect from the new offense is a keep it simple attitude. Don’t over complicate things. Do what you do best. If you have the top one or two downfield throwers in the NFL, perhaps first down is a good time to dial it up. Zimmer hated 2nd and long so he pushed the run/short pass hard. I got where he was coming from, but they became too predictable with it. When Cousins was called to run a play action on first down, good things often followed. 
Lastly, I read today that Zimmer was on Cousins to “play better”, putting the losses on him. I don’t know how Cousins kept his mouth shut. Record breaking bad defense tends to impact wins and losses more so than a 100+ QB rated player. Any QB will have an off game, but for Zimmer to put the losses on him was truly pathetic. 
What I like about the new staff is they are realistic. Cousins is a good QB. You can absolutely have great success with him. He does some things elite and others he needs work. Tailor to his strengths and give the guy a chance to succeed is in my opinion, exactly what they need to do. 

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@"Havoc1649" said: I liked our offense last year, except for Zimmer’s hand in dictating play calling and direction. I think the OC and team did a good job considering they had to work around that. There’s a reason why offensive coordinators were always bailing on Zimmer. Having listened to the few comments from Diggs, it seemed like he wanted out because of this run first philosophy. In reality, the OC kept it pretty balanced and JJ feasted, but the overall pressure to run, run, run never seemed to let up.
That is funny.  The reason OCs bailed were two fold, the good ones got hired as head coaches elsewhere and the bad ones got replaced.  I can't think of one that "bailed".
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@"greediron" said:
@"Havoc1649" said: I liked our offense last year, except for Zimmer’s hand in dictating play calling and direction. I think the OC and team did a good job considering they had to work around that. There’s a reason why offensive coordinators were always bailing on Zimmer. Having listened to the few comments from Diggs, it seemed like he wanted out because of this run first philosophy. In reality, the OC kept it pretty balanced and JJ feasted, but the overall pressure to run, run, run never seemed to let up.
That is funny.  The reason OCs bailed were two fold, the good ones got hired as head coaches elsewhere and the bad ones got replaced.  I can't think of one that "bailed".
There's a 3rd category:  Retired.

I think Norv Turner bailed.  He retired and after a year took a coaching job.  I think Kubiak retired for health reasons and to get his kid the job.

That said I agree that OC's weren't just up and leaving because of not getting along with Zimmer outside of Turner.  It also doesn't make much logical sense, since they are under contract and can't make lateral moves.

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@"medaille" said:
@"greediron" said:
@"Havoc1649" said: I liked our offense last year, except for Zimmer’s hand in dictating play calling and direction. I think the OC and team did a good job considering they had to work around that. There’s a reason why offensive coordinators were always bailing on Zimmer. Having listened to the few comments from Diggs, it seemed like he wanted out because of this run first philosophy. In reality, the OC kept it pretty balanced and JJ feasted, but the overall pressure to run, run, run never seemed to let up.
That is funny.  The reason OCs bailed were two fold, the good ones got hired as head coaches elsewhere and the bad ones got replaced.  I can't think of one that "bailed".
There's a 3rd category:  Retired.

I think Norv Turner bailed.  He retired and after a year took a coaching job.  I think Kubiak retired for health reasons and to get his kid the job.

That said I agree that OC's weren't just up and leaving because of not getting along with Zimmer outside of Turner.  It also doesn't make much logical sense, since they are under contract and can't make lateral moves.



Norv was fired.  He wasn't cutting it and was given a choice.  He chose to basically be fired.  Forgot about Kubiak tho.  Must have been a horrible job for him to leave and stick his kid with it.  

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