Serious question.....

It made me wonder why it's so taboo. A good trade is a good trade and a bad one a bad one.

But these two in particular have the potential for a lot of egg on the face if Williams and Watson end up being good players. But the real kicker will be next year's draft when we're hoping for one of the top QBs, knowing we could've had an extra 1st but didn't even ask for one. 

This whole draft right now has poor optics (to say the least) and feels like a whole lot of missed opportunities. If the players pan-out? then thats awesome. 

And like you say MB, those missed opportunities could follow this team next year. 

Where is Kentis' train off the bridge gif right about now?

@"purplefaithful" said: This whole draft right now has poor optics (to say the least) and feels like a whole lot of missed opportunities. If the players pan-out? then thats awesome. 

And like you say MB, those missed opportunities could follow this team next year. 

Where is Kentis' train off the bridge gif right about now?

And Watson? How many good corners did he beat in Minot or Fargo or wherever the hell he played? We'll just have to wait and see. But the fleecing on that trade will always be there. 

We know that they had to get the most out of day 2. Also drafting a safety at 12 was too high. If they wouldn't have made trades, they would have had less to work with. The Packers picked Christian Watson. He is a MVS clone with a 14% drop rate and can't run routes. He had the highest drop rate of receivers last year. We knew KAM was going to be outside the box. Williams is coming off a torn ACL. I get not trading within the division I do. But I also want to let it play out. It's old school v. new school. They could not do the same old same old. 

^^^^^ You HAD to talk me off the ledge, didnt you?

Rick fleeced the Lions regularly, so when you actually have a GM who is actually a GM you can make it work, but when you have some kid is who thinks he is playing a draft simulator game it is not a good idea. This draft has been like watching a co-worker in their first week who was not really qualified for the job, but got hired for all the wrong reasons and is just completely lost and floundering.   

@"Vanguard83" said: ^^^^^ You HAD to talk me off the ledge, didnt you?

Professionally and personally, it's what I do. Would you rather I left you there? :)

....Alright, who let Kwesi in this thread?

For me the more important concern isn't the future production of Williams and Watson but the players we passed up at 12. Oh, and that horseshit return for the pick.

@"purplefaithful" said: This whole draft right now has poor optics (to say the least) and feels like a whole lot of missed opportunities. If the players pan-out? then thats awesome. 

And like you say MB, those missed opportunities could follow this team next year. 

Where is Kentis' train off the bridge gif right about now?

@"Vikergirl" said: We know that they had to get the most out of day 2. Also drafting a safety at 12 was too high. If they wouldn't have made trades, they would have had less to work with. The Packers picked Christian Watson. He is a MVS clone with a 14% drop rate and can't run routes. He had the highest drop rate of receivers last year. We knew KAM was going to be outside the box. Williams is coming off a torn ACL. I get not trading within the division I do. But I also want to let it play out. It's old school v. new school. They could not do the same old same old. 

They opened themselves up for second guessing by passing up on him, trading with a division rival to grab a (injured) talented prospect at their pick, and then taking a S with the pick they traded back for.

Now don't get me wrong, I like Cine and think he has the potential to be a Kam Chancellor type of S for us...  but let's not pretend the Vikings couldn't/shouldn't have picked anyone at 12.  Kwesi decided he wanted to get more picks instead of picking a worthy player at 12.

@"Wetlander" said:

@"Vikergirl" said: We know that they had to get the most out of day 2. Also drafting a safety at 12 was too high. If they wouldn't have made trades, they would have had less to work with. The Packers picked Christian Watson. He is a MVS clone with a 14% drop rate and can't run routes. He had the highest drop rate of receivers last year. We knew KAM was going to be outside the box. Williams is coming off a torn ACL. I get not trading within the division I do. But I also want to let it play out. It's old school v. new school. They could not do the same old same old. 

Now don't get me wrong, I like Cine and think he has the potential to be a Kam Chancellor type of S for us...  but let's not pretend the Vikings couldn't/shouldn't have picked anyone at 12.  Kwesi decided he wanted to get more picks instead of picking a worthy player at 12.

A bit lost in the conversation - we are already down 4th and 7th rounders for 2023.

@"Wetlander" said:

@"Vikergirl" said: We know that they had to get the most out of day 2. Also drafting a safety at 12 was too high. If they wouldn't have made trades, they would have had less to work with. The Packers picked Christian Watson. He is a MVS clone with a 14% drop rate and can't run routes. He had the highest drop rate of receivers last year. We knew KAM was going to be outside the box. Williams is coming off a torn ACL. I get not trading within the division I do. But I also want to let it play out. It's old school v. new school. They could not do the same old same old. 

It wasn't too high for a Safety at 12.  Kyle Hamilton was regarded as a blue chip player, the top player at his position, and also some draft evaluators thought he was one of the top 5 players in the entire draft.  The Ravens took him at 14 so no one would have batted an eye if the Vikings took him at 12.

They opened themselves up for second guessing by passing up on him, trading with a division rival to grab a (injured) talented prospect at their pick, and then taking a S with the pick they traded back for.

Now don't get me wrong, I like Cine and think he has the potential to be a Kam Chancellor type of S for us...  but let's not pretend the Vikings couldn't/shouldn't have picked anyone at 12.  Kwesi decided he wanted to get more picks instead of picking a worthy player at 12.

@"Vikergirl" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"Vikergirl" said: We know that they had to get the most out of day 2. Also drafting a safety at 12 was too high. If they wouldn't have made trades, they would have had less to work with. The Packers picked Christian Watson. He is a MVS clone with a 14% drop rate and can't run routes. He had the highest drop rate of receivers last year. We knew KAM was going to be outside the box. Williams is coming off a torn ACL. I get not trading within the division I do. But I also want to let it play out. It's old school v. new school. They could not do the same old same old. 

It wasn't too high for a Safety at 12.  Kyle Hamilton was regarded as a blue chip player, the top player at his position, and also some draft evaluators thought he was one of the top 5 players in the entire draft.  The Ravens took him at 14 so no one would have batted an eye if the Vikings took him at 12.

They opened themselves up for second guessing by passing up on him, trading with a division rival to grab a (injured) talented prospect at their pick, and then taking a S with the pick they traded back for.

Now don't get me wrong, I like Cine and think he has the potential to be a Kam Chancellor type of S for us...  but let's not pretend the Vikings couldn't/shouldn't have picked anyone at 12.  Kwesi decided he wanted to get more picks instead of picking a worthy player at 12.

Too high according to their board and plan. They were looking for a lot of needs and holes to fill. There will always be the what if they didn't move factor but they made their choices and followed their plan. Time will tell how it works out. 

They also saved 7 million by trading back in the first.  

https://sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/charley-walters-did-vikings-trade-213100592.html

I think that the Lions MIGHT have been able to trade with a different team if the Vikings refused.  Maybe.

The issue for me is taking a safety that is faster but significantly smaller.  Cine is good and has some hits on tape but I worry about his shoulders if he wants to continue to lay the wood.

Hamilton is the real deal.  People say he is slow but he ran a 4.59 and he is 20 pounds heavier than Cine. He had a higher vertical jump by 1 1/2" and a lower broad ump by 2".  But Hamilton ran a ridiculous 6.90 3 cone and a 4.32 short shuttle. Cine did not run these tests.  Why?

If the Vikings would have refused the Lions because they did not get enough of a premium (they didn't IMHO) they could have taken Hamilton. In the second they could have traded up for Booth who was there at 42.

If they got Dean or Chenal or Tindall in the 3rd most would say slam dunk no?

But they ended up getting Ingram out of the trade and a 4th which they negated by trading away next year's 4th. But they got an extra 5th, lost a 6th, and moved up in the 7th.

Time will tell but Cine is very similar to Tarvarious Moore in Cine and kind of like Justin Reid to me.

Hamilton is a bigger Harrison Smith.

Is Harrison Smith too slow?

@"Vikergirl" said: We know that they had to get the most out of day 2. Also drafting a safety at 12 was too high. If they wouldn't have made trades, they would have had less to work with. The Packers picked Christian Watson. He is a MVS clone with a 14% drop rate and can't run routes. He had the highest drop rate of receivers last year. We knew KAM was going to be outside the box. Williams is coming off a torn ACL. I get not trading within the division I do. But I also want to let it play out. It's old school v. new school. They could not do the same old same old. 

The players that ended up being taken by Detroit and gbay are immaterial,   its the fact that we traded in the division and did not get even fair value.  We gave them the opportunity to improve their rosters and lost value as a result of it when it came to improving our own roster.

Its not new school old school,  its new kid got taken to school.

The ultimate picks taken are what remains to play out,  the decision to take that trade with that particular team is already graded.  So what the lions had other teams they could have traded with,  we still would have had a higher graded player than what we ended up with and it will never be known if they really would have ended up getting their guy.

@"Vikergirl" said: They also saved 7 million by trading back in the first.  

https://sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/charley-walters-did-vikings-trade-213100592.html

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Vikergirl" said: They also saved 7 million by trading back in the first.  

https://sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/charley-walters-did-vikings-trade-213100592.html

That is a take away?  We couldn't take better prospects because we needed to save money?  Thats a bad reason to trade down imo and its sounds like something a failed philosophy would embrace in an effort to find a silver lining.