Worst Viking draft ever??

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@"NorthernCalVike" said: probably not just because of the potential talent we drafted. But i would say Best Viking Draft for Helping our Division Rivals. WTF???!!!!

The analytical lens Kwesi looks thru has got some gigantic holes in it.

I am happy with getting both Cine and Booth but other than that ho hum.  Also, the way we did it with division rivals sucks.  Don't like either of the last 2 picks.  The thing is no one knows until 3 years so it is a lottery ticket.  

As predicted well before the draft.....I don't care how bright someone is if they are inexperienced (which Kwesi certainly is in the NFL) mistakes are going to happen.

Just want to manage expectation for our new/inexperienced HC who is a first time HC and never called plays from what I have read.

I know many optimistic fans just think...Kwesi is a wall street "beautiful mind" expert analyst.  Hate to say it, but Spelly was also very analytical in finding many later round gems.  Also, I would think every team has analytical experts, so it really is all hype. Maybe Rick called his brother (Charles Christopher Spielman is a former American football player and is a special assistant to the owner and CEO for the Detroit Lions of the National Football League" and told him Kwesi is a mark so pounce :(

I think Kwesi got big time schooled so far.  Which is not overly surprising to me.  He obviously doesn't have the contacts or historical expertise of doing the job and other GM's pounced.  Like the first two picks, though.  These same fans calculate or deduce that O'Connell is automatic 3 more game winner over the dysfunctional Zimmer....again let's manage expectations the mistakes will continue until moral improves (sorry had to use that one:)

We all know no one has a crystal ball.  Our picks may work out, Detroit and GBs pick could be busts etc etc. But in trying to make sense of a draft we have a FO that appears to have been flying by the seat of its pants with no clear plan or philosophy.  Dropping 20 spots in a trade with a division rival and only netting a 3rd better 2nd is just plain incompetent.  We needed a 2023 1st as part of that. What we got: an oft injured CB who could be good but is a risk ( still a good pick I think) a depth player for the IOL( drafting for depth at 2?) a project or special teamer at 3? Oh, man.  And I don’t give a shit that it was personally rewarding for Kwesi to draft Asamoah. Have him over for dinner then. We want a guy who will play and soon from an early 3rd. Reminds me of when I went off a ski jump at age 8.  Totally unprepared, thrilling, scary, and I landed on my face. Lol.
 

Not hardly. Not even close. Guessing you're too young to remember Willie Offord? Michael Boireau? Dimmy Underwood? Dual 1st round duds Troy Williamson and Erasmus James? Derrick Alexander over Warren Sapp? These are just off the top of my head. 

These were picks that were puzzling the minute we took them. By comparison, Cine and Booth were good players at good value. 

Hey MB! I feel flattered you thought I was too young! I remember them all. As well as the later round draft picks we hit on. You are really well versed on draft picks, their strengths and weaknesses, our draft history— all of it.  And I give your posts weight because of that.  We are all of us, shooting from the hip now.  And my take is our draft seemed chaotic, unprepared, and we were swinging wildly. For KAM to say he couldn’t pass up Detroit’s offer? That simply makes no sense. And I don’t buy it.

@"Caactorvike" said: Hey MB! I feel flattered you thought I was too young! I remember them all. As well as the later round draft picks we hit on. You are really well versed on draft picks, their strengths and weaknesses, our draft history— all of it.  And I give your posts weight because of that.  We are all of us, shooting from the hip now.  And my take is our draft seemed chaotic, unprepared, and we were swinging wildly. For KAM to say he couldn’t pass up Detroit’s offer? That simply makes no sense. And I don’t buy it.

I can't say they seemed unprepared since what they did (trade down big for a DB) was exactly what I wanted them to do, and exactly what I outlined in my "plan for the future" mock draft. Only difference is I would've held out for the '23 1st. 

Not the worst ever, but Kwesi better hope at least 2-3 guys pan out as starters (and Cine is better than Hamilton and Williams busts)... or he's going to be evaluating his own time horizon as GM of the Vikings.

@"MaroonBells" said: Not hardly. Not even close. Guessing you're too young to remember Willie Offord? Michael Boireau? Dimmy Underwood? Dual 1st round duds Troy Williamson and Erasmus James? Derrick Alexander over Warren Sapp? These are just off the top of my head. 

These were picks that were puzzling the minute we took them. By comparison, Cine and Booth were good players at good value. 

@"Wetlander" said: Not the worst ever, but Kwesi better hope at least 2-3 guys pan out as starters (and Cine is better than Hamilton and Williams busts)... or he's going to be evaluating his own time horizon as GM of the Vikings.

I was surprised the Vikings did not take Hamilton and then equally surprised the Lions did not take him. 

@"Cowskull" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: Not hardly. Not even close. Guessing you're too young to remember Willie Offord? Michael Boireau? Dimmy Underwood? Dual 1st round duds Troy Williamson and Erasmus James? Derrick Alexander over Warren Sapp? These are just off the top of my head. 

These were picks that were puzzling the minute we took them. By comparison, Cine and Booth were good players at good value. 

Don't forget Christian Ponder -- I believe 7th overall pick.

k@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Caactorvike" said: Hey MB! I feel flattered you thought I was too young! I remember them all. As well as the later round draft picks we hit on. You are really well versed on draft picks, their strengths and weaknesses, our draft history— all of it.  And I give your posts weight because of that.  We are all of us, shooting from the hip now.  And my take is our draft seemed chaotic, unprepared, and we were swinging wildly. For KAM to say he couldn’t pass up Detroit’s offer? That simply makes no sense. And I don’t buy it.

Ha! No I was referring to the OP. I know you're an old dude like me, Ivar. :-)

I can't say they seemed unprepared since what they did (trade down big for a DB) was exactly what I wanted them to do, and exactly what I outlined in my "plan for the future" mock draft. Only difference is I would've held out for the '23 1st. 

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@"NorthernCalVike" said:

k@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Caactorvike" said: Hey MB! I feel flattered you thought I was too young! I remember them all. As well as the later round draft picks we hit on. You are really well versed on draft picks, their strengths and weaknesses, our draft history— all of it.  And I give your posts weight because of that.  We are all of us, shooting from the hip now.  And my take is our draft seemed chaotic, unprepared, and we were swinging wildly. For KAM to say he couldn’t pass up Detroit’s offer? That simply makes no sense. And I don’t buy it.

Ha! No I was referring to the OP. I know you're an old dude like me, Ivar. :-)

I can't say they seemed unprepared since what they did (trade down big for a DB) was exactly what I wanted them to do, and exactly what I outlined in my "plan for the future" mock draft. Only difference is I would've held out for the '23 1st. 

im 55 years old. been a fan since i can remember. faint memories of my dad being pissed at losing to the Chiefs. Boom Boom Brown and Fred Cox were great friends with my God Father and i as a four year old met Carl Eller at a practice my dad and my bro and i were invited to attend- i say this only to state that the Vikings are in my DNA. Now, im probably an older dude just like u, but perhaps i am younger. Doesn’t matter anyways. Like you ive seen many a draft, and i think you are taking my overstating of hating this draft a bit too serious. over reacting is a long time fans right, lol! As i said in my statement, “probably not…..”. We wont know for a few years. And i agree with you on all the past brutal drafts. Im just pissed that we traded with our rivals and helped them out, that was the final point of my op 

I think it is the worst draft by far that I can remember in terms of managing the draft and maximizing the value of the picks.   With the 12th pick in the draft, you need to do much better than what we did with it.  I like the Booth picked and felt like we were going to pick it up after that, but taking the G with questionable character and trading next years 4th for a guy who would have been there a few picks later just seems like a guy with a big ego who thinks he is smarter than everyone else.  I don't see anyone after our first 2 picks having any kind of impact.  Instead of wasting picks, we could have taken a shot on Willis as it was a great opportunity to get someone to groom behind Cousins and do exactly what the Titans are doing. 

We should not be in a position of having to go through growing pains with an inexperienced GM, bring in an experienced guy who can come in and run a draft, not some guy who has no experience at doing it. I blame the Wilfs for this circus.  

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Cowskull" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: Not hardly. Not even close. Guessing you're too young to remember Willie Offord? Michael Boireau? Dimmy Underwood? Dual 1st round duds Troy Williamson and Erasmus James? Derrick Alexander over Warren Sapp? These are just off the top of my head. 

These were picks that were puzzling the minute we took them. By comparison, Cine and Booth were good players at good value. 

Don't forget Christian Ponder -- I believe 7th overall pick.

12th, but I sort of see QBs differently. The vast majority of them are busts. But when you need one you have to take your shot. 

The trade down from 12 was a massive screwup in value and we handed a top-10 talent to a division rival.  Then we trade with our biggest rival and gift-wrap them a WR when all they had was Sammy Watkins.  

But... worst ever?? Not. Even. Close.  I submit 2005.  Which I had the dubious pleasure of attending. Troy Williamson at #7 (80 catches in 3 seasons), Erasmus James at #19 (don't even ask) and an OT in the 2nd who never started.  That's your top 3 picks all busting.

Gotta throw 1971 in there. 15th round pick Jeff Wright pretty much all we had to show for that one...1990 with 9th rounder Terry Allen....

The title of the thread should really be Worst Draft Trade of all time because discussing compensation is easy. We wont know how good or bad this draft is for a while