CBS Sports Brinson: 'This is going to be a wild draft'
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2022-nfl-mock-draft-3-0-jets-trade-up-to-select-first-wide-receiver-derek-stingley-jr-soars-up-draft-board/
I think if Minnesota can't trade down, a WRer is going to be the pick. I think that position will be the BPA at #12. And Thielen will be 32 years old before the season starts. I know what KAM said about McCardell saying don't take a WRer and being unselfish, etc. but if there was ever a smokescreen being put out there, that was it.
Everything seems to scream trade down. And I think they'll find a buyer. But I agree that WR could have the most value at 12 if they can't. The question is, will they take one? Seems unlikely to me.
I think Geoff has it right and they leapfrog Washington and get one of the DBs.
@"AGRforever" said: I think Geoff has it right and they leapfrog Washington and get one of the DBs.I agree it has merit. I think KAM's philosophy is to move up for the right value. It just depends if the compensation isn't overvalued to make the play.
@"AGRforever" said: I think Geoff has it right and they leapfrog Washington and get one of the DBs.I've always had the theory if you are going to spend picks or players to get 1 player....he better be damn special. If/when KAM moves up for. player , that player gets held to a higher standard when evaluating the GM IMO. If he moves up it better be a solid pick, not a bunch of question marks.
@"JimmyinSD" said:I think this strategy is self evident, right? You move up, you give up something so the value needs to be higher. More scrutiny. That player will need to perform. You know, like Mitch Trubisky. :p@"AGRforever" said: I think Geoff has it right and they leapfrog Washington and get one of the DBs. I've always had the theory if you are going to spend picks or players to get 1 player....he better be damn special. If/when KAM moves up for. player , that player gets held to a higher standard when evaluating the GM IMO. If he moves up it better be a solid pick, not a bunch of question marks.
@"AGRforever" said: I think Geoff has it right and they leapfrog Washington and get one of the DBs.Man, that is just so hard to see. Sure, anything's possible, but here's what argues against it:
1. Data shows that trading down typically nets more value. Our guy is a data guy.
2. New regime with a defense to build and holes to fill. We should be accumulating picks, not trading them.
3. Moving up at the top of the draft is super expensive. Just to move to 8 will cost our 3rd rounder. And we have no 4th.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"AGRforever" said: I think Geoff has it right and they leapfrog Washington and get one of the DBs. Man, that is just so hard to see. Sure, anything's possible, but here's what argues against it:1. Data shows that trading down typically nets more value. Our guy is a data guy.
2. New regime with a defense to build and holes to fill. We should be accumulating picks, not trading them.
3. Moving up at the top of the draft is super expensive. Just to move to 8 will cost our 3rd rounder. And we have no 4th.
Yea, I think this might be the perfect draft for us to trade down and get more lottery chances. I would move up for Sauce if he falls into the 8-9 range but not either of the other two CB's.Hoping we can slide down and still get one of our Top targets and more picks like last year. Not an advocate for a move up this year.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"AGRforever" said: I think Geoff has it right and they leapfrog Washington and get one of the DBs. Man, that is just so hard to see. Sure, anything's possible, but here's what argues against it:1. Data shows that trading down typically nets more value. Our guy is a data guy.
2. New regime with a defense to build and holes to fill. We should be accumulating picks, not trading them.
3. Moving up at the top of the draft is super expensive. Just to move to 8 will cost our 3rd rounder. And we have no 4th.
Agreed. I’d be happy staying at 12 and taking a WR. Then if Booth, Elam, or maybe even Cine are still around in the mid/late-20s I’d start making calls on the cost to move up.I won’t be that mad if we move up in the first for Stingley, just surprised.
EDIT- Just looked through Brinson’s mock… Ouch! If it falls like this I hope the Vikings take Hamilton but having no shot at the top 2 CBs, top 2 WRs, or even Jordan Davis would stink. Hopefully teams draft OL in front of us.
I usually hold my tongue around draft time because I am so ill-informed about college football but I can't see Kyle Hamilton dropping to #19. In this particular CBS Mock, I would be hugely disappointed if the Vikings picked London over Hamilton.
Also, as a data guy, I think KAM realizes that college ball is turning out more and more solid wide receivers -- I see the NFL going into a wide receiver "bubble."
Has there ever been a draft where this many teams had multiple #1 picks?
Couple that with a top heavy draft of Edges (in lieu of QB) and this is just a weird draft imo
All this talk of the Vikings moving around. Not sure I'm buying into that, they dont even have a 4th rounder - but they have 3 #6 spots - yippee!
Not sure I see them being that active, but its a new regime too...
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"AGRforever" said: I think Geoff has it right and they leapfrog Washington and get one of the DBs. I've always had the theory if you are going to spend picks or players to get 1 player....he better be damn special. If/when KAM moves up for. player , that player gets held to a higher standard when evaluating the GM IMO. If he moves up it better be a solid pick, not a bunch of question marks.Yeah, I'm certainly throwing $hit at the wall and have no idea what KAM is thinking as do the rest of us.
I don't think there's going to be much in the form of compensation because we're in a buyers market. Seems theres 10ish top flight prospects and then a bunch of players who could go in that 11-40 range who all have about the same shot of hitting. So would you willing to move down if the hypothetical return on draft capital was say 60-70% of the draft points charts?
Say would you move down to say 16 or 19 with New Orleans for them to get to pick the first QB if all we got back was a 3rd?
CBS Sports Mocks make me actually laugh out loud. Drake London at 12? I'll drive my ass from Iowa City to Minneapolis just to boo the pick from outside of their facility. Perhaps I should message someone at Barstool Sports and ask to apply as a professional Boo'er so that I get credentials to attend the introduction conference if that pick happened. London may end up being good, but I want nothing to do with him at 12.
@"Hawkvike25" said: CBS Sports Mocks make me actually laugh out loud. Drake London at 12? I'll drive my ass from Iowa City to Minneapolis just to boo the pick from outside of their facility. Perhaps I should message someone at Barstool Sports and ask to apply as a professional Boo'er so that I get credentials to attend the introduction conference if that pick happened. London may end up being good, but I want nothing to do with him at 12.
Charles Davis's latest has London as the first WR off the board at 10. Has us picking Trent Mcduffie
https://www.nfl.com/news/charles-davis-2022-nfl-mock-draft-3-0-drake-london-first-of-seven-wrs-selected
@"AGRforever" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"AGRforever" said: I think Geoff has it right and they leapfrog Washington and get one of the DBs. I've always had the theory if you are going to spend picks or players to get 1 player....he better be damn special. If/when KAM moves up for. player , that player gets held to a higher standard when evaluating the GM IMO. If he moves up it better be a solid pick, not a bunch of question marks.Yeah, I'm certainly throwing $hit at the wall and have no idea what KAM is thinking as do the rest of us.
I don't think there's going to be much in the form of compensation because we're in a buyers market. Seems theres 10ish top flight prospects and then a bunch of players who could go in that 11-40 range who all have about the same shot of hitting. So would you willing to move down if the hypothetical return on draft capital was say 60-70% of the draft points charts?
Say would you move down to say 16 or 19 with New Orleans for them to get to pick the first QB if all we got back was a 3rd?
Good question, No I would not move down to 16 for just a 3rd rounder. A move down (for me) would have to at least net us an additional second rounder. Using one of the draft value charts we could drop to the NO 19th spot and also get there second rounder pick # 49. That would be tempting but it really depends on what our choices are at 12, right.
@"purplefaithful" said: Has there ever been a draft where this many teams had multiple #1 picks?Couple that with a top heavy draft of Edges (in lieu of QB) and this is just a weird draft imo
All this talk of the Vikings moving around. Not sure I'm buying into that, they dont even have a 4th rounder - but they have 3 #6 spots - yippee!
Not sure I see them being that active, but its a new regime too...
I haven't heard about whether or not this is some kind of record, but I don't remember a 1st round with this many teams with multiple picks. Lotta ammo for a lotta moving around.
@"minny65" said:@"AGRforever" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"AGRforever" said: I think Geoff has it right and they leapfrog Washington and get one of the DBs. I've always had the theory if you are going to spend picks or players to get 1 player....he better be damn special. If/when KAM moves up for. player , that player gets held to a higher standard when evaluating the GM IMO. If he moves up it better be a solid pick, not a bunch of question marks.Yeah, I'm certainly throwing $hit at the wall and have no idea what KAM is thinking as do the rest of us.
I don't think there's going to be much in the form of compensation because we're in a buyers market. Seems theres 10ish top flight prospects and then a bunch of players who could go in that 11-40 range who all have about the same shot of hitting. So would you willing to move down if the hypothetical return on draft capital was say 60-70% of the draft points charts?
Say would you move down to say 16 or 19 with New Orleans for them to get to pick the first QB if all we got back was a 3rd?
Good question, No I would not move down to 16 for just a 3rd rounder. A move down (for me) would have to at least net us an additional second rounder. Using one of the draft value charts we could drop to the NO 19th spot and also get there second rounder pick # 49. That would be tempting but it really depends on what our choices are at 12, right.
If we drop far enough to net a 2nd this year, I would rather have the first next year. Especially if its a team that isn't likely to be a strong playoff contender like the saints.
@"AGRforever" said:@"Hawkvike25" said: CBS Sports Mocks make me actually laugh out loud. Drake London at 12? I'll drive my ass from Iowa City to Minneapolis just to boo the pick from outside of their facility. Perhaps I should message someone at Barstool Sports and ask to apply as a professional Boo'er so that I get credentials to attend the introduction conference if that pick happened. London may end up being good, but I want nothing to do with him at 12.Charles Davis's latest has London as the first WR off the board at 10. Has us picking Trent Mcduffie
https://www.nfl.com/news/charles-davis-2022-nfl-mock-draft-3-0-drake-london-first-of-seven-wrs-selected
Another one that has us passing on Hamilton.... its like they are just trying to get me pissed off.All the talk on needing to consider a WR because of ATs age and contract situation are just as pliable when viewing Harry's age and contact. If Hamilton is there and Gardner is gone... thats the pick, all day every day. Only way I pass on Hamilton is for a kings random to move down.
If he is gone I keep going back to Davis, I think he can be a lot more than a run stopper, even if he can just collapse a pocket with a push, his size and power is to good to pass up.
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"AGRforever" said:@"Hawkvike25" said: CBS Sports Mocks make me actually laugh out loud. Drake London at 12? I'll drive my ass from Iowa City to Minneapolis just to boo the pick from outside of their facility. Perhaps I should message someone at Barstool Sports and ask to apply as a professional Boo'er so that I get credentials to attend the introduction conference if that pick happened. London may end up being good, but I want nothing to do with him at 12.Charles Davis's latest has London as the first WR off the board at 10. Has us picking Trent Mcduffie
https://www.nfl.com/news/charles-davis-2022-nfl-mock-draft-3-0-drake-london-first-of-seven-wrs-selected
Another one that has us passing on Hamilton.... its like they are just trying to get me pissed off.All the talk on needing to consider a WR because of ATs age and contract situation are just as pliable when viewing Harry's age and contact. If Hamilton is there and Gardner is gone... thats the pick, all day every day. Only way I pass on Hamilton is for a kings random to move down.
If he is gone I keep going back to Davis, I think he can be a lot more than a run stopper, even if he can just collapse a pocket with a push, his size and power is to good to pass up.
You and I are in lockstep on this. Its kind of gotten down to Hamilton, Davis and then a WR for me.
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"minny65" said:@"AGRforever" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"AGRforever" said: I think Geoff has it right and they leapfrog Washington and get one of the DBs. I've always had the theory if you are going to spend picks or players to get 1 player....he better be damn special. If/when KAM moves up for. player , that player gets held to a higher standard when evaluating the GM IMO. If he moves up it better be a solid pick, not a bunch of question marks.Yeah, I'm certainly throwing $hit at the wall and have no idea what KAM is thinking as do the rest of us.
I don't think there's going to be much in the form of compensation because we're in a buyers market. Seems theres 10ish top flight prospects and then a bunch of players who could go in that 11-40 range who all have about the same shot of hitting. So would you willing to move down if the hypothetical return on draft capital was say 60-70% of the draft points charts?
Say would you move down to say 16 or 19 with New Orleans for them to get to pick the first QB if all we got back was a 3rd?
Good question, No I would not move down to 16 for just a 3rd rounder. A move down (for me) would have to at least net us an additional second rounder. Using one of the draft value charts we could drop to the NO 19th spot and also get there second rounder pick # 49. That would be tempting but it really depends on what our choices are at 12, right.
If we drop far enough to net a 2nd this year, I would rather have the first next year. Especially if its a team that isn't likely to be a strong playoff contender like the saints.So just to keep the conversation going for the trade down crowd. Would you be willing to trade 12 for say one of Kansas City's 1st this year, their first next year and they'd probably need to include their 3rd next year or 4th this year to make it workout?
Or based on a point chart, our 12 and a swap of 2nds for their 2 firsts this year.
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