Bills new stadium

Looks like a sweet deal for the owners, only kicking in $400 million.  The state and county are on the hook for the rest.

1.4 billion for an open air stadium in Buffalo?  So one of the least affluent cities in the NFL will be putting down a record 850 million for a stadium that will have them sitting outside during Buffalo snowstorms?  There are a lot of schools and hospitals in Buffalo that could use the money.  This is everything that is wrong with the greedy NFL.  If the owners of the Bills are unwilling to put up all of the money, then they should remain in the current stadium which is more than adequate for an outdoor stadium.  At least if they were build a stadium with a roof it could be used for other events.  It is just sickening to see this kind of money being spent which will only serve to put people who have money in heated luxury boxes, while the fans who are fronting the majority of the money are sitting in sub zero seats.  

@"JR44" said: 1.4 billion for an open air stadium in Buffalo?  So one of the least affluent cities in the NFL will be putting down a record 850 million for a stadium that will have them sitting outside during Buffalo snowstorms?  There are a lot of schools and hospitals in Buffalo that could use the money.  This is everything that is wrong with the greedy NFL.  If the owners of the Bills are unwilling to put up all of the money, then they should remain in the current stadium which is more than adequate for an outdoor stadium.  At least if they were build a stadium with a roof it could be used for other events.  It is just sickening to see this kind of money being spent which will only serve to put people who have money in heated luxury boxes, while the fans who are fronting the majority of the money are sitting in sub zero seats.  

@"Vikergirl" said:

@"JR44" said: 1.4 billion for an open air stadium in Buffalo?  So one of the least affluent cities in the NFL will be putting down a record 850 million for a stadium that will have them sitting outside during Buffalo snowstorms?  There are a lot of schools and hospitals in Buffalo that could use the money.  This is everything that is wrong with the greedy NFL.  If the owners of the Bills are unwilling to put up all of the money, then they should remain in the current stadium which is more than adequate for an outdoor stadium.  At least if they were build a stadium with a roof it could be used for other events.  It is just sickening to see this kind of money being spent which will only serve to put people who have money in heated luxury boxes, while the fans who are fronting the majority of the money are sitting in sub zero seats.  

This is not a new thing. They are a passionate fan base. It is not a place that wants an indoor stadium. A lot of the fans love the outdoors and consider it part of their tradition and identity. The greed part sucks but that is not going to change.

Personally, I don't get how you don't at least put in a retractable roof on this new stadium. Its fucking Buffalo, the amount of bad weather and lake effect snow can be off the chart. But if fans want to die on the hill of cold weather, I won't stop them.

The see through roof and giant rotating doors at U.S. Bank are awesome. You FEEL outside in there on a sunny day with the doors open. 

@"StickyBun" said: Personally, I don't get how you don't at least put in a retractable roof on this new stadium. Its fucking Buffalo, the amount of bad weather and lake effect snow can be off the chart. But if fans want to die on the hill of cold weather, I won't stop them.

The see through roof and giant rotating doors at U.S. Bank are awesome. You FEEL outside in there on a sunny day with the doors open. 

Another sad thing for Buffalo fans is that they are reducing fan capacity and increasing luxury suite capacity. 

That stadium was built in 73, it's old in all the wrong ways (i.e. not a Lamblow Field). 

IF that franchise was to compete (financially) and the owners were to make $ ala their counterparts, the stadium situation had to get brought into the new millennium. 

We like to think bout how the $ could get spent in better ways and there is so much need to better serve more of the community, but it never happens that way. But it could. But it doesnt. 

These exact discussions were had here in Minny too. State leaders either decide its "worth it" or not to have one of the 32 NFL franchise in their state. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said: Personally, I don't get how you don't at least put in a retractable roof on this new stadium. Its fucking Buffalo, the amount of bad weather and lake effect snow can be off the chart. But if fans want to die on the hill of cold weather, I won't stop them.

The see through roof and giant rotating doors at U.S. Bank are awesome. You FEEL outside in there on a sunny day with the doors open. 

I have to wonder if the snow loading potential for a retractable roof in Buffalo might be very tricky.   The amount and type of snow they can receive at times may exceed current construction capabilities?

We can talk about wasted money all day. This isn’t something new, and it isn’t going away. 
When cities and states stop paying for new stadiums we will still waste tax money. Hospitals are mostly run by private organizations so, those greedy bastards can use their own money for that, right? Education has politicized and schools aren’t properly funded because of that. A lot of money has been spent locally to upgrade facilities, and teachers pay has gone down. Maybe stop building the new field house and give that money to teachers. 
Usually these new taxes to pay for stadiums are raised by different means and methods than normal taxes, so the people attending events in those cities help pay for them.
I don’t attend many games because it’s cost prohibitive. If the owners put up all the money, I’d never attend a game. The cost would be astronomical because owners would want to recoup their money quickly.

I don’t see many or any boycotting games because of public money being used. 

@"Vikergirl" said: Another sad thing for Buffalo fans is that they are reducing fan capacity and increasing luxury suite capacity. 

They're talking about a new stadium here in TN as well.  Just was on the news this morning.

I know construction costs have gone up but how are they going to drop $1.4B on a new open air stadium?

@"JR44" said:

@"Vikergirl" said: Another sad thing for Buffalo fans is that they are reducing fan capacity and increasing luxury suite capacity. 

Great point, they are losing 10,000 seats, the Bills typically average around 67,000 a game, so how do you build a stadium that is much less than your average attendance?  They will be building a great demand for seats and charging accordingly.  I have never been a fan of the Bills owners and they sure are sticking it to the fans, but overall it is the NFL that allows this to happen.  

@"AGRforever" said:

They're talking about a new stadium here in TN as well.  Just was on the news this morning.

I know construction costs have gone up but how are they going to drop $1.4B on a new open air stadium?

$5b for SoFi may seem like chick feed one day...

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"AGRforever" said:

They're talking about a new stadium here in TN as well.  Just was on the news this morning.

I know construction costs have gone up but how are they going to drop $1.4B on a new open air stadium?

The stadium for the Saints is as old as the hills, Panthers are angling for a new stadium and isnt hard rock older now too?

$5b for SoFi may seem like chick feed one day...