Jeremiah Mock Draft 3.0

@"MaroonBells" said: Tempting. But we did just pay Horrible Harry $20M to play nose for us. I might change my mind, but right now I'm taking corners with our first two picks. 

In early down situations you can dare teams to run playing a deep cover-2 shell which protects the corners and you'd be effective with a front 3 of Tominson - Davis - Phillips. Good luck running on that. On passing down I still feel like he's a more functionals pass-rusher than Phillips so you get value there. I honestly think they would get a lot of value out Davis in sneaky ways. 

I agree that corner is a more pressing need and a premium position. But after you get past Sauce/Stingley how much of a drop-off is there to the 2nd round corners? 

@"Wetlander" said:

@"JustinTime18™" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"JustinTime18™" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: I really hope Detroit is stoopid enough to pass on Trevon Walker too - yikes. 

Give me Liberty (QB Malik Willis) Or give me def(ensive line help)

Willis would be super intriguing if he is there at 12...  probably the only guy I would consider that isn't a pass rusher or CB at our spot.

Understandable. When Kwesi mentions the 2017 draft being thought of as a bad QB class (Mahomes and Watson), I have to think he's talking about Willis being the diamond in the rough.

But, man Willis has some pretty damning warts. 

He does...  it's like is he Jalen Hurts or is his upside higher than that?  He's the best bet out of this group of QBs to pop with his arm and athleticism (IMO), but his accuracy makes you pause. 

@"supafreak84" said: Yeah Willis had some games where he was just awful. His one one game against a ranked opponent (#16 Ole Miss), was hugely unimpressive. Just looking at his stat sheet for the year you'd expect Steve McNair at Alcorn State type numbers and it was more like Sean Mannion at Green Bay type numbers. 

I still like Pickett the best of the bunch but, man, any glove on the hand quarterback who needs the extra grip makes me super leery...on top of his fumble numbers. Corral and Howell look like the same guy to me. 

Not thrilled with his size or his completion % of around 61% down from the year before...I really like to see a big jump from one year to the next like Pickett did in all stats.  
Also, noticed that he was sacked 51 times last year and had 12 Int's.  Without reviewing tape of his OL etc is he a one read guy and run?  Lastly, he is not the runner that Lamar is or some of the other running QB's of late - IMO.  I look at him as a day 2 guy but someone might reach because he plays the most important position in sports.  

Pro Days are hilarious. Such a load of horseshit as far as anything meaningful. Completely orchestrated. Remember Johnny Manziel's?? LMAO. Music blaring and he's just throwing passes around and everyone is getting hot and bothered. Its a joke. 

@"StickyBun" said: Pro Days are hilarious. Such a load of horseshit as far as anything meaningful. Completely orchestrated. Remember Johnny Manziel's?? LMAO. Music blaring and he's just throwing passes around and everyone is getting hot and bothered. Its a joke. 

Davis has elite potential and could play the nose or as an end due to his freakish athleticism. I’d take him over any player in this draft and I’d play him at end. Defenses will have to account for his size and speed. 
Physically, he has no comparison. He ran a 4.78 at 341 pounds compared to 4.91 at 290 that JJ Watt did. They are nearly identical upper body strength. 
I’d like to see a 3 come on the guy, but watching him move I’m guessing it would be good. He’s a game changer at the NFL level and will keep offensive coordinators awake at night. 

I’d move up for him if necessary. 

@"Havoc1649" said: Davis has elite potential and could play the nose or as an end due to his freakish athleticism. I’d take him over any player in this draft and I’d play him at end. Defenses will have to account for his size and speed. 

Physically, he has no comparison. He ran a 4.78 at 341 pounds compared to 4.91 at 290 that JJ Watt did. They are nearly identical upper body strength.  I’d like to see a 3 come on the guy, but watching him move I’m guessing it would be good. He’s a game changer at the NFL level and will keep offensive coordinators awake at night. 

I’d move up for him if necessary. 

I am no eye for talent but I really thought of him as just a big (really big) 1 gapper??

If you listened closely to Kwesi today, he basically said that they are in conversations with PPs camp and they are working hard to make it happen.  He definitely did not sound as optimistic about resigning Barr.  He said "never say never" but I think you are going to need a Barr replacement if we want to sign PP.

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"Havoc1649" said: Davis has elite potential and could play the nose or as an end due to his freakish athleticism. I’d take him over any player in this draft and I’d play him at end. Defenses will have to account for his size and speed. 

Physically, he has no comparison. He ran a 4.78 at 341 pounds compared to 4.91 at 290 that JJ Watt did. They are nearly identical upper body strength.  I’d like to see a 3 come on the guy, but watching him move I’m guessing it would be good. He’s a game changer at the NFL level and will keep offensive coordinators awake at night. 

I’d move up for him if necessary. 

You really think he's going to be a disruptor vs the pass?

I am no eye for talent but I really thought of him as just a big (really big) 1 gapper??

@"AGRforever" said:

Are the QB's just not that good this year?  I know everyone says weak class.  The highlight reels certainly don't say terrible.  We have 7ish QB needy teams ahead of us and they're ALL going to pass on either Willis or Pickett, and/or no one is going to trade up for one of them? Honestly if both QBs are on the board, why not get our future QB?  But end of the day, someone is trading up. 

Rookie QBs are always in demand these days and get overdrafted, but I'd be leery of taking any of the guys in the first 20 picks.  Willis has intriguing upside, but he if came out last year...  I would have taken Lawrence, Wilson, Lance, Mac Jones, and Fields ahead of him.

@"Montana Tom" said: If you listened closely to Kwesi today, he basically said that they are in conversations with PPs camp and they are working hard to make it happen.  He definitely did not sound as optimistic about resigning Barr.  He said "never say never" but I think you are going to need a Barr replacement if we want to sign PP.

@"Montana Tom" said:
If you listened closely to Kwesi today, he basically said that they are in conversations with PPs camp and they are working hard to make it happen.  He definitely did not sound as optimistic about resigning Barr.  He said "never say never" but I think you are going to need a Barr replacement if we want to sign PP.

Barr would fit well rotationally as an insurance policy for our two outside backers who’ve had recent injuries. What I doubt will work out is the money. I expect he’ll want much more than the Vikes can offer. 
As for this years QB class: there are a few guys who can probably be starters in the league, but I question at what level. All need development time. It’s not that it’s necessarily a bad class so much as it’s a not ready class. 
In regards to Malik Willis, that arm and athleticism are great. His big time throws are really good. His accuracy is very worrisome. Overall, again he’s a really raw player with upside. He has the athleticism and arm of someone like Donovan McNabb so it’s easy to get excited about him, but his play is not consistent and he in no way resembles McNabb as an overall prospect out of college. 
After reviewing the QB’s this year, he was a late 1st to 2nd rounder for me. There’s too much risk for the top of the draft IMO

@"Havoc1649" said:

In regards to Malik Willis, that arm and athleticism are great. His big time throws are really good. His accuracy is very worrisome. Overall, again he’s a really raw player with upside. He has the athleticism and arm of someone like Donovan McNabb so it’s easy to get excited about him, but his play is not consistent and he in no way resembles McNabb as an overall prospect out of college.  After reviewing the QB’s this year, he was a late 1st to 2nd rounder for me. There’s too much risk for the top of the draft IMO

Totally agree. Willis will be overdrafted. Any McNabb comparisons are hilarious as DM threw for 77 TDs and 8400 yards as a 4 year starter at Syracuse as you mention and was selected #2 overall in the Draft. Willis ain't no McNabb. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Havoc1649" said:

In regards to Malik Willis, that arm and athleticism are great. His big time throws are really good. His accuracy is very worrisome. Overall, again he’s a really raw player with upside. He has the athleticism and arm of someone like Donovan McNabb so it’s easy to get excited about him, but his play is not consistent and he in no way resembles McNabb as an overall prospect out of college.  After reviewing the QB’s this year, he was a late 1st to 2nd rounder for me. There’s too much risk for the top of the draft IMO

But....but....his Pro Day!!!  :p

Totally agree. Willis will be overdrafted. Any McNabb comparisons are hilarious as DM threw for 77 TDs and 8400 yards as a 4 year starter at Syracuse as you mention and was selected #2 overall in the Draft. Willis ain't no McNabb. 

@"JustinTime18™" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Havoc1649" said:

In regards to Malik Willis, that arm and athleticism are great. His big time throws are really good. His accuracy is very worrisome. Overall, again he’s a really raw player with upside. He has the athleticism and arm of someone like Donovan McNabb so it’s easy to get excited about him, but his play is not consistent and he in no way resembles McNabb as an overall prospect out of college.  After reviewing the QB’s this year, he was a late 1st to 2nd rounder for me. There’s too much risk for the top of the draft IMO

But....but....his Pro Day!!!  :p

Totally agree. Willis will be overdrafted. Any McNabb comparisons are hilarious as DM threw for 77 TDs and 8400 yards as a 4 year starter at Syracuse as you mention and was selected #2 overall in the Draft. Willis ain't no McNabb. 

But he might go #2 as well. At least according to Vegas.

@"Montana Tom" said: If you listened closely to Kwesi today, he basically said that they are in conversations with PPs camp and they are working hard to make it happen.  He definitely did not sound as optimistic about resigning Barr.  He said "never say never" but I think you are going to need a Barr replacement if we want to sign PP.

Do we know which type of nickle we’re going to run?  Like are we pulling one of the 3 DL off the
field or one of the LB?

@"Wetlander" said:

@"AGRforever" said:

Are the QB's just not that good this year?  I know everyone says weak class.  The highlight reels certainly don't say terrible.  We have 7ish QB needy teams ahead of us and they're ALL going to pass on either Willis or Pickett, and/or no one is going to trade up for one of them? Honestly if both QBs are on the board, why not get our future QB?  But end of the day, someone is trading up. 

I don't think any of the top prospects in this draft class would be ranked ahead of last year's class of Lawrence, Wilson, Lance, Fields, and Jones.

Rookie QBs are always in demand these days and get overdrafted, but I'd be leery of taking any of the guys in the first 20 picks.  Willis has intriguing upside, but he if came out last year...  I would have taken Lawrence, Wilson, Lance, Mac Jones, and Fields ahead of him.

@"medaille" said:

@"Montana Tom" said: If you listened closely to Kwesi today, he basically said that they are in conversations with PPs camp and they are working hard to make it happen.  He definitely did not sound as optimistic about resigning Barr.  He said "never say never" but I think you are going to need a Barr replacement if we want to sign PP.

Isn’t Barr just off the table with the Smith signing?  Hunter on one edge position and Smith on the
other?  What position are they looking at
Barr for?  ILB?

Do we know which type of nickle we’re going to run?  Like are we pulling one of the 3 DL off the
field or one of the LB?

@"Wetlander" said:

@"AGRforever" said:

Are the QB's just not that good this year?  I know everyone says weak class.  The highlight reels certainly don't say terrible.  We have 7ish QB needy teams ahead of us and they're ALL going to pass on either Willis or Pickett, and/or no one is going to trade up for one of them? Honestly if both QBs are on the board, why not get our future QB?  But end of the day, someone is trading up. 

I don't think any of the top prospects in this draft class would be ranked ahead of last year's class of Lawrence, Wilson, Lance, Fields, and Jones.

Rookie QBs are always in demand these days and get overdrafted, but I'd be leery of taking any of the guys in the first 20 picks.  Willis has intriguing upside, but he if came out last year...  I would have taken Lawrence, Wilson, Lance, Mac Jones, and Fields ahead of him.

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"AGRforever" said:

Are the QB's just not that good this year?  I know everyone says weak class.  The highlight reels certainly don't say terrible.  We have 7ish QB needy teams ahead of us and they're ALL going to pass on either Willis or Pickett, and/or no one is going to trade up for one of them? Honestly if both QBs are on the board, why not get our future QB?  But end of the day, someone is trading up. 

I don't think any of the top prospects in this draft class would be ranked ahead of last year's class of Lawrence, Wilson, Lance, Fields, and Jones.

Rookie QBs are always in demand these days and get overdrafted, but I'd be leery of taking any of the guys in the first 20 picks.  Willis has intriguing upside, but he if came out last year...  I would have taken Lawrence, Wilson, Lance, Mac Jones, and Fields ahead of him.

I know I told you Willis would be behind Jones but I think maybe the consensus in the league may be moving. I think Willis may be behind Fields but ahead of Jones at this point. Pickett would still be behind Jones. The issue with Mac Jones is he lacks elite upside. Good QB, but can he be great? Willis has a lot of risks but the upside is similar to Josh Allen.