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Courtney Cronin said on the PI pod yesterday that she was told by two scouts in the #Vikings organization at the 2021 combine that Wyatt Davis didn’t even have a backup grade on their scales and that, that pick was purely Spielman ignoring everyone and going to get “his guy”.
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#1 · Mar 22, 10:17 AM
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What the Courtney is going on here?

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#2 · Mar 22, 10:43 AM
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It sounds crazy but many GMs have "their guys" and pull this kind of thing. When it works out, great. When it doesn't, you get scrutinized. I can't attest to what Cronin said but this isn't specific to the Vikings by any means. When you're the GM of the team and you have conviction you've earned the right to pull the trigger on a few guys you like. 

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Kinda explains the animosity Zimmer had towards Davis...

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This report doesn’t make any sense. No one would grade Wyatt Davis that low, other than someone who didn’t know what they were doing. You can go through the many pre-draft write ups on the guy and zero agree with those sentiments supposedly expressed by the Vikings “scouts”. 
Honestly, it’s ludicrous. I have to hope they were yanking her chain. If they weren’t, they need to be replaced immediately.

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Not sure if it's actually true, but I think we will learn a lot about Zimmer and Spielman after this season. If Davis plays and looks solid, then wtf Zimmer or wtf Rick if he sucks too. Same for Mond and if he can beat out Mannion in Training Camp. The last two years were such a shit show that it would be nice, as fans, to get some closure as to who may have really f*cked this thing up

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The draft community is far from infallible, but to say that Davis didn't even have a backup grade is simply ludicrous.

TDN had him as plug and play. Not developmental, not future starter, not quality back-up. 

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@"Havoc1649" said: This report doesn’t make any sense. No one would grade Wyatt Davis that low, other than someone who didn’t know what they were doing. You can go through the many pre-draft write ups on the guy and zero agree with those sentiments supposedly expressed by the Vikings “scouts”. 
Honestly, it’s ludicrous. I have to hope they were yanking her chain. If they weren’t, they need to be replaced immediately.
This. Davis was actually invited to attend the draft. He didn't, but invites go to players based on conversations with NFL teams on which players have 1st round grades. 

Is it possible some scouts were down on him? Of course. In fact I know some were. But his consensus value was more likely higher than where he was drafted, not lower. 

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@"MaroonBells" said:
@"Havoc1649" said: This report doesn’t make any sense. No one would grade Wyatt Davis that low, other than someone who didn’t know what they were doing. You can go through the many pre-draft write ups on the guy and zero agree with those sentiments supposedly expressed by the Vikings “scouts”. 
Honestly, it’s ludicrous. I have to hope they were yanking her chain. If they weren’t, they need to be replaced immediately.
This. Davis was actually invited to attend the draft. He didn't, but invites go to players based on conversations with NFL teams on which players have 1st round grades. 

Is it possible some scouts were down on him? Of course. In fact I know some were. But his consensus value was more likely higher than where he was drafted, not lower. 



Must have been scouts who previously worked in the Mock Draft Department for cbssports

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@"Hawkvike25" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"Havoc1649" said: This report doesn’t make any sense. No one would grade Wyatt Davis that low, other than someone who didn’t know what they were doing. You can go through the many pre-draft write ups on the guy and zero agree with those sentiments supposedly expressed by the Vikings “scouts”. 
Honestly, it’s ludicrous. I have to hope they were yanking her chain. If they weren’t, they need to be replaced immediately.
This. Davis was actually invited to attend the draft. He didn't, but invites go to players based on conversations with NFL teams on which players have 1st round grades. 

Is it possible some scouts were down on him? Of course. In fact I know some were. But his consensus value was more likely higher than where he was drafted, not lower. 



Must have been scouts who previously worked in the Mock Draft Department for cbssports


Interns at Walter's.

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@"JustinTime18™" said:
@"Hawkvike25" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"Havoc1649" said: This report doesn’t make any sense. No one would grade Wyatt Davis that low, other than someone who didn’t know what they were doing. You can go through the many pre-draft write ups on the guy and zero agree with those sentiments supposedly expressed by the Vikings “scouts”. 
Honestly, it’s ludicrous. I have to hope they were yanking her chain. If they weren’t, they need to be replaced immediately.
This. Davis was actually invited to attend the draft. He didn't, but invites go to players based on conversations with NFL teams on which players have 1st round grades. 

Is it possible some scouts were down on him? Of course. In fact I know some were. But his consensus value was more likely higher than where he was drafted, not lower. 



Must have been scouts who previously worked in the Mock Draft Department for cbssports


Interns at Walter's.


One step further...Interns at Walter's who are also related to Florio?

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Third rounder,  big whoop.  The ones I want to know about were who decided Barr over Donald and Gladney over Winfield jr?

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@"JustinTime18™" said:
Courtney Cronin said on the PI pod yesterday that she was told by two scouts in the #Vikings organization at the 2021 combine that Wyatt Davis didn’t even have a backup grade on their scales and that, that pick was purely Spielman ignoring everyone and going to get “his guy”.
I believe absolutely nothing of what she says or writes
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I think it's past time she got to work making up stuff about the Bears now.    

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@"Geoff Nichols" said: It sounds crazy but many GMs have "their guys" and pull this kind of thing. When it works out, great. When it doesn't, you get scrutinized. I can't attest to what Cronin said but this isn't specific to the Vikings by any means. When you're the GM of the team and you have conviction you've earned the right to pull the trigger on a few guys you like. 
This is the GM doing his job. You might have scouts on your staff not like a guy, but it's your job to keep consensus in mind. And consensus said Davis had a lot of value in the third round.

It's one of the things that bugged me about Dennis Green drafts. Paid zero attention to consensus or value. Vikings scouts obviously loved them some Demetrius Underwood, Michael Boireau and Willie Offord, but consensus had all of them as late rounders. 

Another thing about this that doesn't make sense. So the scouts spoke to her at the 21 combine and told her that Davis was "Rick's guy"? Three months before he took him in the 3rd round? She either spoke to them twice or this didn't happen at all. 

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The real kicker?

There was no Combine in 2021 due to Covid.

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@"JustinTime18™" said: The real kicker?

There was no Combine in 2021 due to Covid.


Ha! No wonder I couldn't find if Davis actually attended the combine. Totally forgot about that. 

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@"MaroonBells" said:
@"JustinTime18™" said: The real kicker?

There was no Combine in 2021 due to Covid.


Ha! No wonder I couldn't find if Davis actually attended the combine. Totally forgot about that. 


Don't worry about it Bells. Urban probably didnt even know there was supposed to be a combine :)

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