Doogie: 'Vikings have offered contract extension to Cousins'

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@"Kentis" said:

Paul Charchian

@PaulCharchian

Here’s something for the “wins are a QB stat” crowd: NFL avg pts allowed since 2018: 22.3

Kirk Cousins, as a Viking, when the defense allows <= 22.3:     21-4 :o 

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2018 - Vikes averaged 22.5 Points. Defense gave up 21.3
Vs Playoff Teams: Vikes averaged 17.29 points and the Defense gave up 26.14

2019 - Vikes averaged 25.4 Points. Defense gave up 18.8
Vs Playoff Teams: Vikes averaged 23.4 Points. Defense gave up 25.4 Points

2020 - Vikes averaged 26.87 Points. Defense gave up 29.69 Points
Vs Playoff Teams: Vikes averaged 25.14 Points. Defense gave up 32.71 Points

2021 - Vikes averaged 25 Points. Defense gave up 25 Points
Vs Playoff Teams: Vikes averaged 25 Points. Defense gave up 30.1 Points

Kirk and the offense struggled mightily the first two years vs playoff teams, but was solid the last two years. Every year since Kirk arrived Zim's defense performed significantly worse vs good teams. Glad Zim is gone

Also worth noting, Over the last 4 years the Vikes gave up 22 Points or less 29 times out of 65 games...19 of those times came in 2018 and 2019.

I have the Vikes record as 23-6 when holding teams to 22 points or less.

They only held their opponent to 22 points or less 3 times in 2020, but did 7 times this year. Vikes record in those games the last two years was 8-2. 

Sorry if I dont give a sh*t about what Zim had to say about Cousins. Tough to win games when you're giving up a ton of points.

@"Hawkvike25" said:

... Every year since Kirk arrived Zim's defense performed significantly worse vs good teams. Glad Zim is gone

@"medaille" said:

@"Hawkvike25" said:

... Every year since Kirk arrived Zim's defense performed significantly worse vs good teams. Glad Zim is gone

That's a funny way to phrase things.  It makes it sounds like you are arguing that Kirk is the reason Zimmer's defense started to suck and then you wrap it up blaming Zimmer.

"Ever since I gave my girlfriend my credit card number, my bank account has been empty.  I guess I shouldn't have been buying those $4 coffees."

@"medaille" said:

@"Hawkvike25" said:

... Every year since Kirk arrived Zim's defense performed significantly worse vs good teams. Glad Zim is gone

That's a funny way to phrase things.  It makes it sounds like you are arguing that Kirk is the reason Zimmer's defense started to suck and then you wrap it up blaming Zimmer.

"Ever since I gave my girlfriend my credit card number, my bank account has been empty.  I guess I shouldn't have been buying those $4 coffees."

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@"Hawkvike25" said: Also worth noting, Over the last 4 years the Vikes gave up 22 Points or less 29 times out of 65 games...19 of those times came in 2018 and 2019.

I have the Vikes record as 23-6 when holding teams to 22 points or less.

They only held their opponent to 22 points or less 3 times in 2020, but did 7 times this year. Vikes record in those games the last two years was 8-2. 

Sorry if I dont give a sh*t about what Zim had to say about Cousins. Tough to win games when you're giving up a ton of points.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Hawkvike25" said: Also worth noting, Over the last 4 years the Vikes gave up 22 Points or less 29 times out of 65 games...19 of those times came in 2018 and 2019.

I have the Vikes record as 23-6 when holding teams to 22 points or less.

They only held their opponent to 22 points or less 3 times in 2020, but did 7 times this year. Vikes record in those games the last two years was 8-2. 

Sorry if I dont give a sh*t about what Zim had to say about Cousins. Tough to win games when you're giving up a ton of points.

One other thing to factor in: schedule. Schedules seemed about average in 18 and 19, but I've been watching this team for 50 years and I don't remember back to back schedules as brutal as 20 and 21. Thankfully the 22 schedule looks a little easier. 

@"StickyBun" said: Just reported. Ball is in Kirk's court.

@"Kentis" said:

Paul Charchian

@PaulCharchian

Here’s something for the “wins are a QB stat” crowd: NFL avg pts allowed since 2018: 22.3

Kirk Cousins, as a Viking, when the defense allows <= 22.3:     21-4 :o 

@"JR44" said:

@"Kentis" said:

Paul Charchian

@PaulCharchian

Here’s something for the “wins are a QB stat” crowd: NFL avg pts allowed since 2018: 22.3

Kirk Cousins, as a Viking, when the defense allows <= 22.3:     21-4 :o 

And are the teams we are holding under 22 most likely the teams with winning or losing records?  This stat is misleading and actually validates that Kirk plays better against teams with losing records and doesn't elevate his game against teams with winning records.

@"Hawkvike25" said:

Most QBs play better vs teams with a losing record, so whats your point? Kirk/The offense didnt score more points this year vs a team making the playoffs, they averaged the same amount. If you truly care to see how solely Kirk did this year vs teams or how he did on certain downs then go to sports reference and look at the advanced splits section. Ill let you know that he was basically good on all downs but one and was essentially the same QB against good/bad teams. 

We’ll keep the light on for ya Kirt…!  ;) B) :p

@"JR44" said:

@"Hawkvike25" said:

Most QBs play better vs teams with a losing record, so whats your point? Kirk/The offense didnt score more points this year vs a team making the playoffs, they averaged the same amount. If you truly care to see how solely Kirk did this year vs teams or how he did on certain downs then go to sports reference and look at the advanced splits section. Ill let you know that he was basically good on all downs but one and was essentially the same QB against good/bad teams. 

Kirk is 10-41 in his career against teams with winning records, but yeah he is the same QB against all teams  =) :) B)  And nothing is ever his fault, it is always the defense, the play calling the OL, the league rules for Covid....etc.....etc....  Tired of the same excuses, time to move on.

@"Hawkvike25" said:

@"JR44" said:

@"Hawkvike25" said:

Most QBs play better vs teams with a losing record, so whats your point? Kirk/The offense didnt score more points this year vs a team making the playoffs, they averaged the same amount. If you truly care to see how solely Kirk did this year vs teams or how he did on certain downs then go to sports reference and look at the advanced splits section. Ill let you know that he was basically good on all downs but one and was essentially the same QB against good/bad teams. 

Kirk is 10-41 in his career against teams with winning records, but yeah he is the same QB against all teams  =) :) B)  And nothing is ever his fault, it is always the defense, the play calling the OL, the league rules for Covid....etc.....etc....  Tired of the same excuses, time to move on.

Do you ever look at stats or only the end result and then base your decision on that? Deshaun Watson must be a scrub too

At the end
of the day, who wins the game is what matters. 
I believe quarterbacks who perform well during the fourth quarter,
specifically the last drive, is what separates them from the others.  Some quarterbacks you just get that sense
they will lead their team down the field for a chance to tie or win, whether it
is two minutes or 30 seconds.  While with
others quarterbacks, the feeling is not there.

I think most
of us are aware of how good Kirk has performed in certain situations and how
not so good in others.  Throughout the
years, there have been many games where the Vikings come up short.

Prior to
this year, three seasons as a Vikings QB, Kirk had not performed well in fourth
quarter comebacks (4QBC) or game winning drives (GWD)

Minnesota (Prior to 2021):

(1) 4QC

(2) GWD

(2) 4QC/GWD

Washington

(1) 4QC

(5) GWD

(7) 4QC/GWD

Something changed in 2021 as his numbers improved. Was this because of the system,
upcoming extension ($$), better O-line, just feeling it?

Minnesota 2021

(1) GWD

(3) 4QC/GWD

His numbers with Washington is still better but perhaps last year is an
indication of better things to come in this area.

Minnesota

(1) 4QC

(3) GWD

(5) 4QC/GWD

Washington

(1) 4QC

(5) GWD

(7) 4QC/GWD

 https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/comeback.cgi?player=CousKi00

@"JustinTime18™" said: I think we've established that this poster doesn't watch games.