CBS Sports Predicts Kirk Cousins Blockbuster Trade

@"Kentis" said:

@"Vikergirl" said: https://twitter.com/sosarick/status/1501244568670453768?s=20&t=Fw4RzHa8lchdEgJSZ9Z6Zg

There goes @JimmyinSD ’s head…  ;) 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Kentis" said:

@"Vikergirl" said: https://twitter.com/sosarick/status/1501244568670453768?s=20&t=Fw4RzHa8lchdEgJSZ9Z6Zg

There goes @JimmyinSD ’s head…  ;) 

Not yet,   but where's the fucking tylenol?

@"Kentis" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: The Vikings gave assurances to Kirk's camp at the combine that they wouldn't trade him. So he's not going anywhere. 

So Cousins stays & we’re going after veteran IL, where’s the cap relief coming from Geoff…??? 

My reading of the offseason tea leaves (which is probably totally wrong) is that the owners will NOT allow a trade of the QB or any other high priced players.

You got Mark Wilf publicly stating that he believes the team could be "super competitive" this year.  This is incredible considering the team missed the playoffs the last two years and he fired the two men responsible for running his team.  Still, similar to a fan (like me), he is drinking plenty of koolaid.

Add in the Harbaugh fly in and 10 hour (or so) interview with no offer, the non true rumors about any Cousins trade discussions, and I believe the owners are, in fact, meddling.

I do not believe the new regime has the authority to do whatever they want.  Although, I do believe they could very well want to keep Cousins.

It just does not smell right to me.

But whatevs.

I expect to read massive extensions for Cousins and Hunter and they'll probably keep Barr and bring back Peterson.

We can only hope that is enough to finally make the freaking EXPANDED playoffs.

If GB can pull-off Rogers and Adams, the Vikings can figure out how to keep KC and find that QBOTF one of these days. 

@"PurplePastor" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: The Vikings gave assurances to Kirk's camp at the combine that they wouldn't trade him. So he's not going anywhere. 

Ala Percy Harvin?

@"purplefaithful" said: If GB can pull-off Rogers and Adams, the Vikings can figure out how to keep KC and find that QBOTF one of these days. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Kentis" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: The Vikings gave assurances to Kirk's camp at the combine that they wouldn't trade him. So he's not going anywhere. 

So Cousins stays & we’re going after veteran IL, where’s the cap relief coming from Geoff…??? 

Contract extensions provide cap relief. If the Vikings aren't going to trade Cousins, they almost have to extend him. Rodgers just signed a $200M deal with $153M guaranteed....and his 22 cap number goes down. 

Also a LOT of money to pulled from the contracts of Hunter, Thielen, Harry, etc. 

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Kentis" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: The Vikings gave assurances to Kirk's camp at the combine that they wouldn't trade him. So he's not going anywhere. 

So Cousins stays & we’re going after veteran IL, where’s the cap relief coming from Geoff…??? 

Contract extensions provide cap relief. If the Vikings aren't going to trade Cousins, they almost have to extend him. Rodgers just signed a $200M deal with $153M guaranteed....and his 22 cap number goes down. 

Also a LOT of money to pulled from the contracts of Hunter, Thielen, Harry, etc. 

I doubt they extend him, at least not now. But they'll move $12-20M onto future caps. Which will get them back under the cap with Kirk's contract alone. Then they'll work on the others. Thielen will need to take a pay-cut or he's going to get outright released. Pierce likely will be gone which opens up another $6M or so. With those two moves they'll get about $10M under and then they'll manipulate Barr's dead money to get that closer to $15M. I'm not sure they want to move much money around on other veterans. They could though. 

With Kirk off the 2023 cap (for now) and Pierce's $10+M off only having $15M or so to spend this off-season should work since they can keep the 2022 cap hits low. 

@"JustinTime18™" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Kentis" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: The Vikings gave assurances to Kirk's camp at the combine that they wouldn't trade him. So he's not going anywhere. 

So Cousins stays & we’re going after veteran IL, where’s the cap relief coming from Geoff…??? 

Contract extensions provide cap relief. If the Vikings aren't going to trade Cousins, they almost have to extend him. Rodgers just signed a $200M deal with $153M guaranteed....and his 22 cap number goes down. 

Also a LOT of money to pulled from the contracts of Hunter, Thielen, Harry, etc. 

I doubt they extend him, at least not now. But they'll move $12-20M onto future caps. Which will get them back under the cap with Kirk's contract alone. Then they'll work on the others. Thielen will need to take a pay-cut or he's going to get outright released. Pierce likely will be gone which opens up another $6M or so. With those two moves they'll get about $10M under and then they'll manipulate Barr's dead money to get that closer to $15M. I'm not sure they want to move much money around on other veterans. They could though. 

With Kirk off the 2023 cap (for now) and Pierce's $10+M off only having $15M or so to spend this off-season should work since they can keep the 2022 cap hits low. 

With Pierce gone, do they play Watts or Lynch at NT? Or do they slide Tomlinson over?

I have a tough time seeing Thielen being released. 

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

Contract extensions provide cap relief. If the Vikings aren't going to trade Cousins, they almost have to extend him. Rodgers just signed a $200M deal with $153M guaranteed....and his 22 cap number goes down. 

Also a LOT of money to pulled from the contracts of Hunter, Thielen, Harry, etc. 

I doubt they extend him, at least not now. But they'll move $12-20M onto future caps. Which will get them back under the cap with Kirk's contract alone. Then they'll work on the others. Thielen will need to take a pay-cut or he's going to get outright released. Pierce likely will be gone which opens up another $6M or so. With those two moves they'll get about $10M under and then they'll manipulate Barr's dead money to get that closer to $15M. I'm not sure they want to move much money around on other veterans. They could though. 

With Kirk off the 2023 cap (for now) and Pierce's $10+M off only having $15M or so to spend this off-season should work since they can keep the 2022 cap hits low. 

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Kentis" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: The Vikings gave assurances to Kirk's camp at the combine that they wouldn't trade him. So he's not going anywhere. 

So Cousins stays & we’re going after veteran IL, where’s the cap relief coming from Geoff…??? 

Contract extensions provide cap relief. If the Vikings aren't going to trade Cousins, they almost have to extend him. Rodgers just signed a $200M deal with $153M guaranteed....and his 22 cap number goes down. 

Also a LOT of money to pulled from the contracts of Hunter, Thielen, Harry, etc. 

I doubt they extend him, at least not now. But they'll move $12-20M onto future caps. Which will get them back under the cap with Kirk's contract alone. Then they'll work on the others. Thielen will need to take a pay-cut or he's going to get outright released. Pierce likely will be gone which opens up another $6M or so. With those two moves they'll get about $10M under and then they'll manipulate Barr's dead money to get that closer to $15M. I'm not sure they want to move much money around on other veterans. They could though. 

With Kirk off the 2023 cap (for now) and Pierce's $10+M off only having $15M or so to spend this off-season should work since they can keep the 2022 cap hits low. 

Releasing Thielen would be tough, but yeah his production has dropped the last two years due to injuries and he's 32. If that happens I'd put WR towards the top of our draft needs list 

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Kentis" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: The Vikings gave assurances to Kirk's camp at the combine that they wouldn't trade him. So he's not going anywhere. 

So Cousins stays & we’re going after veteran IL, where’s the cap relief coming from Geoff…??? 

Contract extensions provide cap relief. If the Vikings aren't going to trade Cousins, they almost have to extend him. Rodgers just signed a $200M deal with $153M guaranteed....and his 22 cap number goes down. 

Also a LOT of money to pulled from the contracts of Hunter, Thielen, Harry, etc. 

I doubt they extend him, at least not now. But they'll move $12-20M onto future caps. Which will get them back under the cap with Kirk's contract alone. Then they'll work on the others. Thielen will need to take a pay-cut or he's going to get outright released. Pierce likely will be gone which opens up another $6M or so. With those two moves they'll get about $10M under and then they'll manipulate Barr's dead money to get that closer to $15M. I'm not sure they want to move much money around on other veterans. They could though. 

With Kirk off the 2023 cap (for now) and Pierce's $10+M off only having $15M or so to spend this off-season should work since they can keep the 2022 cap hits low. 

@"MarkSP18" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Kentis" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: The Vikings gave assurances to Kirk's camp at the combine that they wouldn't trade him. So he's not going anywhere. 

So Cousins stays & we’re going after veteran IL, where’s the cap relief coming from Geoff…??? 

Contract extensions provide cap relief. If the Vikings aren't going to trade Cousins, they almost have to extend him. Rodgers just signed a $200M deal with $153M guaranteed....and his 22 cap number goes down. 

Also a LOT of money to pulled from the contracts of Hunter, Thielen, Harry, etc. 

I doubt they extend him, at least not now. But they'll move $12-20M onto future caps. Which will get them back under the cap with Kirk's contract alone. Then they'll work on the others. Thielen will need to take a pay-cut or he's going to get outright released. Pierce likely will be gone which opens up another $6M or so. With those two moves they'll get about $10M under and then they'll manipulate Barr's dead money to get that closer to $15M. I'm not sure they want to move much money around on other veterans. They could though. 

With Kirk off the 2023 cap (for now) and Pierce's $10+M off only having $15M or so to spend this off-season should work since they can keep the 2022 cap hits low. 

I could be misinterpreting your comment but it reads to me that you think they will add void years to Cousins deal move 12-20M to future years.  Is that right?

If so, they need Cousins permission to add void years.  You think he and his agent will do that knowing the team does not want to offer an extension?

Why would they do that?  If something happens to him he likely does not get another deal besides a Fitzpatrick level deal.  Even if nothing happens, do you think he will get a large contract from some team after the 2022 season?

Considering they did not allow void years in this current contract, I have doubts about them adding them in now.

@"Kentis" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Kentis" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: The Vikings gave assurances to Kirk's camp at the combine that they wouldn't trade him. So he's not going anywhere. 

So Cousins stays & we’re going after veteran IL, where’s the cap relief coming from Geoff…??? 

Contract extensions provide cap relief. If the Vikings aren't going to trade Cousins, they almost have to extend him. Rodgers just signed a $200M deal with $153M guaranteed....and his 22 cap number goes down. 

Also a LOT of money to pulled from the contracts of Hunter, Thielen, Harry, etc. 

I doubt they extend him, at least not now. But they'll move $12-20M onto future caps. Which will get them back under the cap with Kirk's contract alone. Then they'll work on the others. Thielen will need to take a pay-cut or he's going to get outright released. Pierce likely will be gone which opens up another $6M or so. With those two moves they'll get about $10M under and then they'll manipulate Barr's dead money to get that closer to $15M. I'm not sure they want to move much money around on other veterans. They could though. 

With Kirk off the 2023 cap (for now) and Pierce's $10+M off only having $15M or so to spend this off-season should work since they can keep the 2022 cap hits low. 

What’s happening on the Hunter front…??? 

Classic from ex-Vikings GM Rick Spielman when asked a pretty simple and direct question by Rich Eisen today about #Vikings QB Kirk Cousins: pic.twitter.com/4DIQYFtI7R

— Darren Wolfson (@DWolfsonKSTP) March 10, 2022

No idea if this tweet will paste (it probably won’t) but Rich Eisen asked RS if KC will win a SB in Minnesota and it went pretty much exactly like when I posted in another thread asking people if Kirk will win a Super Bowl here. TLDR; hemming and hawing and yes he *can* but WILL he? Ehhhh

Update- it didn’t paste  :/

The tweet and video is on @DWolfsonKSTP twitter feed. RS comes off complimentary but it’s hardly a firm endorsement of Kirk. Kind of interesting. Maybe Eisen can get Zim on to hear his thoughts too  :p

EDIT- it posted! … I think?

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"MarkSP18" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Kentis" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: The Vikings gave assurances to Kirk's camp at the combine that they wouldn't trade him. So he's not going anywhere. 

So Cousins stays & we’re going after veteran IL, where’s the cap relief coming from Geoff…??? 

Contract extensions provide cap relief. If the Vikings aren't going to trade Cousins, they almost have to extend him. Rodgers just signed a $200M deal with $153M guaranteed....and his 22 cap number goes down. 

Also a LOT of money to pulled from the contracts of Hunter, Thielen, Harry, etc. 

I doubt they extend him, at least not now. But they'll move $12-20M onto future caps. Which will get them back under the cap with Kirk's contract alone. Then they'll work on the others. Thielen will need to take a pay-cut or he's going to get outright released. Pierce likely will be gone which opens up another $6M or so. With those two moves they'll get about $10M under and then they'll manipulate Barr's dead money to get that closer to $15M. I'm not sure they want to move much money around on other veterans. They could though. 

With Kirk off the 2023 cap (for now) and Pierce's $10+M off only having $15M or so to spend this off-season should work since they can keep the 2022 cap hits low. 

I could be misinterpreting your comment but it reads to me that you think they will add void years to Cousins deal move 12-20M to future years.  Is that right?

If so, they need Cousins permission to add void years.  You think he and his agent will do that knowing the team does not want to offer an extension?

Why would they do that?  If something happens to him he likely does not get another deal besides a Fitzpatrick level deal.  Even if nothing happens, do you think he will get a large contract from some team after the 2022 season?

Considering they did not allow void years in this current contract, I have doubts about them adding them in now.

Why would any player not add void years? Its basic finance of money now > money later. They'll write him a $12-15M check next week vs. waiting to play the games next season. It has no implication on any future deal in MN or elsewhere. 

@"MarkSP18" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"MarkSP18" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Kentis" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: The Vikings gave assurances to Kirk's camp at the combine that they wouldn't trade him. So he's not going anywhere. 

So Cousins stays & we’re going after veteran IL, where’s the cap relief coming from Geoff…??? 

Contract extensions provide cap relief. If the Vikings aren't going to trade Cousins, they almost have to extend him. Rodgers just signed a $200M deal with $153M guaranteed....and his 22 cap number goes down. 

Also a LOT of money to pulled from the contracts of Hunter, Thielen, Harry, etc. 

I doubt they extend him, at least not now. But they'll move $12-20M onto future caps. Which will get them back under the cap with Kirk's contract alone. Then they'll work on the others. Thielen will need to take a pay-cut or he's going to get outright released. Pierce likely will be gone which opens up another $6M or so. With those two moves they'll get about $10M under and then they'll manipulate Barr's dead money to get that closer to $15M. I'm not sure they want to move much money around on other veterans. They could though. 

With Kirk off the 2023 cap (for now) and Pierce's $10+M off only having $15M or so to spend this off-season should work since they can keep the 2022 cap hits low. 

I could be misinterpreting your comment but it reads to me that you think they will add void years to Cousins deal move 12-20M to future years.  Is that right?

If so, they need Cousins permission to add void years.  You think he and his agent will do that knowing the team does not want to offer an extension?

Why would they do that?  If something happens to him he likely does not get another deal besides a Fitzpatrick level deal.  Even if nothing happens, do you think he will get a large contract from some team after the 2022 season?

Considering they did not allow void years in this current contract, I have doubts about them adding them in now.

Why would any player not add void years? Its basic finance of money now > money later. They'll write him a $12-15M check next week vs. waiting to play the games next season. It has no implication on any future deal in MN or elsewhere. 

The point is that they did not allow any void years in the last extension.  Doing so now allows the Vikings to keep him for one more year without committing long term now.

I believe the contract was written without void years on purpose. I believe Cousins and his agent knew that the Vikings would not want to absorb a 45M cap hit and thus, would have to make an additional commitment.  Having void years gives the team a pause and let's the Vikings have his services for one more year without a longer commitment.

He is getting the 35M no matter what so giving him a check in March instead of over 17 weeks later in the year is no big deal.  That argument is not very persuasive especially for a dude that already has pulled in 161.6M for his career.

If the team wants to add void years, Cousins must give them permission.  This is a fact.

I have doubts but could be wrong.