Ewwww....
2022 Salary Cap Number: $15,858,823
2022 Compensation: $11 million
2022 Dead Money: $5 million
2022 Salary Cap Savings: $10,858,823
"Trae Waynes has been a disappointment ever since signing a three-year, $42 million contract in 2020 free agency largely because of injury. He missed the entire 2020 season with a torn pectoral muscle. Waynes was limited to five regular season games (with four starts) because of a hamstring injury in 2021. His only action during Cincinnati's four playoff games was on special teams."
@"comet52" said: Another monster draft pick from Slick Rick.He played great for us. Seemed Slick Rick got out at the exact right time.
@"comet52" said: Another monster draft pick from Slick Rick.OK, but let's grade on a curve, shall we? Waynes was one of five CBs taken in the first round that year. Waynes signed a 3-year, $42M contract with the Bengals. And then got hurt. Byron Jones has been very good. Marcus Peters is a good corner, but is on his 3rd team due to character issues. Kevin Johnson and Damarious Randall are out of the NFL.
Also, pretty hard to judge Rick on the 2015 draft, considering we also landed Eric Kendricks, Danielle Hunter and Stefon Diggs in that draft. Considered by pretty much everyone to be one of the best drafts in the last 20 years.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"comet52" said: Another monster draft pick from Slick Rick. OK, but let's grade on a curve, shall we? Waynes was one of five CBs taken in the first round that year. Waynes signed a 3-year, $42M contract with the Bengals. And then got hurt. Byron Jones has been very good. Marcus Peters is a good corner, but is on his 3rd team due to character issues. Kevin Johnson and Damarious Randall are out of the NFL.Also, pretty hard to judge Rick on the 2015 draft, considering we also landed Eric Kendricks, Danielle Hunter and Stefon Diggs in that draft. Considered by pretty much everyone to be one of the best drafts in the last 20 years.
4 starters and 3 of them probably in the top 5 at their position? Yeah, it was ok.Lots to knock Rick on, QB development, o-line, but Waynes isn't one of them.
@"AGRforever" said:He played average at best.@"comet52" said: Another monster draft pick from Slick Rick. He played great for us. Seemed Slick Rick got out at the exact right time.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"comet52" said: Another monster draft pick from Slick Rick. OK, but let's grade on a curve, shall we? Waynes was one of five CBs taken in the first round that year. Waynes signed a 3-year, $42M contract with the Bengals. And then got hurt. Byron Jones has been very good. Marcus Peters is a good corner, but is on his 3rd team due to character issues. Kevin Johnson and Damarious Randall are out of the NFL.Also, pretty hard to judge Rick on the 2015 draft, considering we also landed Eric Kendricks, Danielle Hunter and Stefon Diggs in that draft. Considered by pretty much everyone to be one of the best drafts in the last 20 years.
He was overdrafted.It's nice that Rick had a good draft 7 years ago. That's all anyone has to shout about 7 years later, except maybe JJ falling into his lap because Philly is stupid.
@"comet52" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"comet52" said: Another monster draft pick from Slick Rick. OK, but let's grade on a curve, shall we? Waynes was one of five CBs taken in the first round that year. Waynes signed a 3-year, $42M contract with the Bengals. And then got hurt. Byron Jones has been very good. Marcus Peters is a good corner, but is on his 3rd team due to character issues. Kevin Johnson and Damarious Randall are out of the NFL.Also, pretty hard to judge Rick on the 2015 draft, considering we also landed Eric Kendricks, Danielle Hunter and Stefon Diggs in that draft. Considered by pretty much everyone to be one of the best drafts in the last 20 years.
He was overdrafted.It's nice that Rick had a good draft 7 years ago. That's all anyone has to shout about 7 years later, except maybe JJ falling into his lap because Philly is stupid.
Well...in the last 10 years, there isn't a GM in the NFL who drafted more players with more All Pro and Pro Bowl seasons. So there's that.And this...https://www.nfl.com/news/general-manager-power-rankings-nfl-draft-edition?campaign=Twitter_atn
And this...in the six drafts between 2015 and 2020, in terms of AVOE (avg value over expected), five top 10 drafts, four top 3, and three ranking 1st. And if it isn't obvious, no other team comes anywhere close to that.
And this...in the 9 drafts between 2012 and 2020, in terms of average value, Vikings rank 2nd in the NFL. Just sayin...
Yeah I know. Rick is the greatest gm ever.. in your mind. Look at all those title runs his teams made.
The problem is you think fantasy and stats trump reality. What was the Vegas over/under on the Vikings last summer? Around 8. And what did I tell you the Vikings would do this past year? Win about 8 games. And what did you tell me? They were "contenders" who'd win 12-13. I assume you bet the farm when you found a future line that was off by 4-5 games? No?
I gamble quite a bit on the NFL, I can't afford to live in the fantasy world you do where the Vikings are contenders and Rick is a great g.m.--it would cost me real money.
@"comet52" said: Yeah I know. Rick is the greatest gm ever.. in your mind. Look at all those title runs his teams made.The problem is you think fantasy and stats trump reality. What was the Vegas over/under on the Vikings last summer? Around 8. And what did I tell you the Vikings would do this past year? Win about 8 games. And what did you tell me? They were "contenders" who'd win 12-13. I assume you bet the farm when you found a future line that was off by 4-5 games? No?
I gamble quite a bit on the NFL, I can't afford to live in the fantasy world you do where the Vikings are contenders and Rick is a great g.m.--it would cost me real money.
Most educated people should be able to separate functions and evaluate them individually. My advice to you: stop gambling.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"comet52" said: Yeah I know. Rick is the greatest gm ever.. in your mind. Look at all those title runs his teams made.The problem is you think fantasy and stats trump reality. What was the Vegas over/under on the Vikings last summer? Around 8. And what did I tell you the Vikings would do this past year? Win about 8 games. And what did you tell me? They were "contenders" who'd win 12-13. I assume you bet the farm when you found a future line that was off by 4-5 games? No?
I gamble quite a bit on the NFL, I can't afford to live in the fantasy world you do where the Vikings are contenders and Rick is a great g.m.--it would cost me real money.
Most educated people should be able to separate functions and evaluate them individually. My advice to you: stop gambling.
Then I'd stop winning. Nix.
@"comet52" said: Yeah I know. Rick is the greatest gm ever.. in your mind. Look at all those title runs his teams made.The problem is you think fantasy and stats trump reality. What was the Vegas over/under on the Vikings last summer? Around 8. And what did I tell you the Vikings would do this past year? Win about 8 games. And what did you tell me? They were "contenders" who'd win 12-13. I assume you bet the farm when you found a future line that was off by 4-5 games? No?
I gamble quite a bit on the NFL, I can't afford to live in the fantasy world you do where the Vikings are contenders and Rick is a great g.m.--it would cost me real money.
Dude, The data quite conclusively shows Rick drafted well. Now, preseason/midseason trades and not talking to your head coach....probably an issue.
If you cannot take the above data and clearly see a positive trend, you probably shouldn't be gambling unless of course you have a whole bunch of money to lose.
@"comet52" said: Yeah I know. Rick is the greatest gm ever.. in your mind. Look at all those title runs his teams made.The problem is you think fantasy and stats trump reality. What was the Vegas over/under on the Vikings last summer? Around 8. And what did I tell you the Vikings would do this past year? Win about 8 games. And what did you tell me? They were "contenders" who'd win 12-13. I assume you bet the farm when you found a future line that was off by 4-5 games? No?
I gamble quite a bit on the NFL, I can't afford to live in the fantasy world you do where the Vikings are contenders and Rick is a great g.m.--it would cost me real money.
That would explain the overly cynical attitude.
@"AGRforever" said:@"comet52" said: Yeah I know. Rick is the greatest gm ever.. in your mind. Look at all those title runs his teams made.The problem is you think fantasy and stats trump reality. What was the Vegas over/under on the Vikings last summer? Around 8. And what did I tell you the Vikings would do this past year? Win about 8 games. And what did you tell me? They were "contenders" who'd win 12-13. I assume you bet the farm when you found a future line that was off by 4-5 games? No?
I gamble quite a bit on the NFL, I can't afford to live in the fantasy world you do where the Vikings are contenders and Rick is a great g.m.--it would cost me real money.
Dude, The data quite conclusively shows Rick drafted well. Now, preseason/midseason trades and not talking to your head coach....probably an issue.
If you cannot take the above data and clearly see a positive trend, you probably shouldn't be gambling unless of course you have a whole bunch of money to lose.
You feel Rick's great drafting is "proven"? Good for you. I see a roster full of holes and a lot of wasted picks.A great gm in most folks eyes is a guy whose team wins a title. I get that around here the bar is considerably lower. He just has to win some random, short sample size stat that someone cooks up and voila he's a hero. Just be thankful he's gone and we might actually have a chance to become relevant, assuming KAM and KOC don't bet their newly minted careers on Kirk.
As for wagering, spent many years learning to beat the hardest game and I don't take tips from squares, but thanks for trying.
@"comet52" said:@"AGRforever" said:@"comet52" said: Yeah I know. Rick is the greatest gm ever.. in your mind. Look at all those title runs his teams made.The problem is you think fantasy and stats trump reality. What was the Vegas over/under on the Vikings last summer? Around 8. And what did I tell you the Vikings would do this past year? Win about 8 games. And what did you tell me? They were "contenders" who'd win 12-13. I assume you bet the farm when you found a future line that was off by 4-5 games? No?
I gamble quite a bit on the NFL, I can't afford to live in the fantasy world you do where the Vikings are contenders and Rick is a great g.m.--it would cost me real money.
Dude, The data quite conclusively shows Rick drafted well. Now, preseason/midseason trades and not talking to your head coach....probably an issue.
If you cannot take the above data and clearly see a positive trend, you probably shouldn't be gambling unless of course you have a whole bunch of money to lose.
You feel Rick's great drafting is "proven"? Good for you. I see a roster full of holes and a lot of wasted picks.A great gm in most folks eyes is a guy whose team wins a title. I get that around here the bar is considerably lower. He just has to win some random, short sample size stat that someone cooks up and voila he's a hero. Just be thankful he's gone and we might actually have a chance to become relevant, assuming KAM and KOC don't bet their newly minted careers on Kirk.
As for wagering, spent many years learning to beat the hardest game and I don't take tips from squares, but thanks for trying.
But you're not grading on a curve. Because you don't pay attention to the draft, you see Treadwell and think bad GM, without realizing picks like Treadwell litter every team's draft room. And, as a matter of fact, less so the Vikings than other teams.You wanna criticize him for the Herndon trade and poor communication with his head coach, go for it. Couldn't agree more. You wanna praise our new direction under KAM, go for it. I'm super excited too. But don't be afraid of the TRUTH. And the truth is that no matter how you cut it--value, value over expected, post season recognition--Rick Spielman was one of the best drafting GMs in the NFL.
In the famous words of Jesus of Nazareth: "The truth will set you free. But first it will piss you off."
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