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https://overthecap.com/restructure/

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#1 · Feb 15, 1:25 PM
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$66,046,346… Let’s get after it…!  B) 

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#2 · Feb 15, 1:33 PM
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Restructure won't be simple for the Pack.  B)

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#3 · Feb 15, 1:56 PM
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We cannot restructure Cousins' contract. He would have to be extended to get his cap number down.  Everyone else can be restructured: Thielen, Cook, Hunter, Smith, ...

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#4 · Feb 15, 2:06 PM
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A Hunter simple restructure won’t save much, but a number of others will. Add to that, if they do an extension for Cousins they could save somewhere around $20 million more. If and it’s a big if with his history, Cousins really wants to remain a Viking. Otherwise it’s trade time. 

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@"Havoc1649" said: A Hunter simple restructure won’t save much, but a number of others will. Add to that, if they do an extension for Cousins they could save somewhere around $20 million more. If and it’s a big if with his history, Cousins really wants to remain a Viking. Otherwise it’s trade time. 
It's really the key to everything. If the Vikings have indeed decided Cousins is in their long-term plans, everything gets very simple. You extend him, drop his cap hit and add some defensive help. Vikings probably go into 22 as a better team than 21, a team that lost--what was it--SIX games by three points or less? 
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#6 · Feb 18, 6:18 AM
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For the people that want to restructure Cousins.  What do you see the extension looking like and what's his cap hit each year of the extension?  Are you thinking it's like 3 more years / $40 a year + the existing $45 for 2022?  So something like:
2022: $35
2023: $40,
2024: $43
2025: $47?   

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#7 · Feb 20, 12:51 PM
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I expect it will be a 4 or 5 year probably with some voidable years . I expect outs after year 3 where the post June 1 cap hit is close to the salary savings.

2022: $28, $27 of it signing bonus
2023: $33, $17 SB
2024: $35, $17 SB
2025: $49, $17 SB
2026: void $17 cap hit from signing bonus

totally rough math, you can design it favorably to meet future team cap needs. They’d be able to post June 1 move on from him reasonably for the year 2025. 
This is with $8 million in unlikely to be earned bonuses. 

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@"MaroonBells" said:
@"Havoc1649" said: A Hunter simple restructure won’t save much, but a number of others will. Add to that, if they do an extension for Cousins they could save somewhere around $20 million more. If and it’s a big if with his history, Cousins really wants to remain a Viking. Otherwise it’s trade time. 
It's really the key to everything. If the Vikings have indeed decided Cousins is in their long-term plans, everything gets very simple. You extend him, drop his cap hit and add some defensive help. Vikings probably go into 22 as a better team than 21, a team that lost--what was it--SIX games by three points or less? 
21 kicked the fan crap out of me...
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@"purplefaithful" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"Havoc1649" said: A Hunter simple restructure won’t save much, but a number of others will. Add to that, if they do an extension for Cousins they could save somewhere around $20 million more. If and it’s a big if with his history, Cousins really wants to remain a Viking. Otherwise it’s trade time. 
It's really the key to everything. If the Vikings have indeed decided Cousins is in their long-term plans, everything gets very simple. You extend him, drop his cap hit and add some defensive help. Vikings probably go into 22 as a better team than 21, a team that lost--what was it--SIX games by three points or less? 
21 kicked the fan crap out of me...
Just when you thought things couldn't get any worse. Remember 2020? Late in the year, as many as 7 starters on defense were out with injuries. Injuries weren't as big an issue in '21, but we found other incredibly imaginative ways to lose. And in both years the schedules were brutal. On the bright side, the '22 schedule looks a little easier. 
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#10 · Feb 21, 5:55 AM
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In two moves, GB cleared about a third of their cap deficit.

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@"JustinTime18™" said: In two moves, GB cleared about a third of their cap deficit.
Yep, but tagging Davante gonna cost em $19MM. Watching this unfold for GB is going to be interesting and you know ESPN is licking their chops for it to start
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@"Hawkvike25" said:
@"JustinTime18™" said: In two moves, GB cleared about a third of their cap deficit.
Yep, but tagging Davante gonna cost em $19MM. Watching this unfold for GB is going to be interesting and you know ESPN is licking their chops for it to start
They last used the franchise tag in 2010. Not saying they won't here, but it's not something they typically do.

Regardless, it's just further proof that the cap really isn't much of a hurdle to clear if your cap guy is even a little savvy.

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@"JustinTime18™" said:
@"Hawkvike25" said:
@"JustinTime18™" said: In two moves, GB cleared about a third of their cap deficit.
Yep, but tagging Davante gonna cost em $19MM. Watching this unfold for GB is going to be interesting and you know ESPN is licking their chops for it to start
They last used the franchise tag in 2010. Not saying they won't here, but it's not something they typically do.

Regardless, it's just further proof that the cap really isn't much of a hurdle to clear if your cap guy is even a little savvy.



I don't disagree, I just think their 2022 team is going to look a lot different than this years team and that includes losing some high quality players...with or without Aaron back

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@"Hawkvike25" said:
@"JustinTime18™" said:
@"Hawkvike25" said:
@"JustinTime18™" said: In two moves, GB cleared about a third of their cap deficit.
Yep, but tagging Davante gonna cost em $19MM. Watching this unfold for GB is going to be interesting and you know ESPN is licking their chops for it to start
They last used the franchise tag in 2010. Not saying they won't here, but it's not something they typically do.

Regardless, it's just further proof that the cap really isn't much of a hurdle to clear if your cap guy is even a little savvy.



I don't disagree, I just think their 2022 team is going to look a lot different than this years team and that includes losing some high quality players...with or without Aaron back


really just depends on how far down the road they want to kick that cap hit in order to keep their current playoff window open.  They have a pretty good roster and likely could find a way not only to keep it intact,  but add some needed pieces with a little cap voodoo.  look how long the saints held it together until they finally said fuck it and hit the reset window.

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@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"Hawkvike25" said:
@"JustinTime18™" said:
@"Hawkvike25" said:
@"JustinTime18™" said: In two moves, GB cleared about a third of their cap deficit.
Yep, but tagging Davante gonna cost em $19MM. Watching this unfold for GB is going to be interesting and you know ESPN is licking their chops for it to start
They last used the franchise tag in 2010. Not saying they won't here, but it's not something they typically do.

Regardless, it's just further proof that the cap really isn't much of a hurdle to clear if your cap guy is even a little savvy.



I don't disagree, I just think their 2022 team is going to look a lot different than this years team and that includes losing some high quality players...with or without Aaron back


really just depends on how far down the road they want to kick that cap hit in order to keep their current playoff window open.  They have a pretty good roster and likely could find a way not only to keep it intact,  but add some needed pieces with a little cap voodoo.  look how long the saints held it together until they finally said fuck it and hit the reset window.


It'd have to be pretty damn short as they have some guys they need to pay next year so i'm sure that's being taken into account when evaluating what to do with guys currently on the roster.

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@"Hawkvike25" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"Hawkvike25" said:
@"JustinTime18™" said:
@"Hawkvike25" said:
@"JustinTime18™" said: In two moves, GB cleared about a third of their cap deficit.
Yep, but tagging Davante gonna cost em $19MM. Watching this unfold for GB is going to be interesting and you know ESPN is licking their chops for it to start
They last used the franchise tag in 2010. Not saying they won't here, but it's not something they typically do.

Regardless, it's just further proof that the cap really isn't much of a hurdle to clear if your cap guy is even a little savvy.



I don't disagree, I just think their 2022 team is going to look a lot different than this years team and that includes losing some high quality players...with or without Aaron back


really just depends on how far down the road they want to kick that cap hit in order to keep their current playoff window open.  They have a pretty good roster and likely could find a way not only to keep it intact,  but add some needed pieces with a little cap voodoo.  look how long the saints held it together until they finally said fuck it and hit the reset window.


It'd have to be pretty damn short as they have some guys they need to pay next year so i'm sure that's being taken into account when evaluating what to do with guys currently on the roster.


by then they will have identified others that can play current high cap hit positions and make more cap magic.  Maroon is right about one thing,  we (nor any team) are ever as screwed as it looks like.  Its pretty easy for teams that are willing to make it work.

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@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"Hawkvike25" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"Hawkvike25" said:
@"JustinTime18™" said:
@"Hawkvike25" said:
@"JustinTime18™" said: In two moves, GB cleared about a third of their cap deficit.
Yep, but tagging Davante gonna cost em $19MM. Watching this unfold for GB is going to be interesting and you know ESPN is licking their chops for it to start
They last used the franchise tag in 2010. Not saying they won't here, but it's not something they typically do.

Regardless, it's just further proof that the cap really isn't much of a hurdle to clear if your cap guy is even a little savvy.



I don't disagree, I just think their 2022 team is going to look a lot different than this years team and that includes losing some high quality players...with or without Aaron back


really just depends on how far down the road they want to kick that cap hit in order to keep their current playoff window open.  They have a pretty good roster and likely could find a way not only to keep it intact,  but add some needed pieces with a little cap voodoo.  look how long the saints held it together until they finally said fuck it and hit the reset window.


It'd have to be pretty damn short as they have some guys they need to pay next year so i'm sure that's being taken into account when evaluating what to do with guys currently on the roster.


by then they will have identified others that can play current high cap hit positions and make more cap magic.  Maroon is right about one thing,  we (nor any team) are ever as screwed as it looks like.  Its pretty easy for teams that are willing to make it work.


Oh yeah, no team is ever "screwed" as their cap guy and others within the Front Office are constantly analyzing those numbers. I'm just saying that for Green Bay their team this year is going to look a lot different next year even with Rodgers coming back. Saints were able to be competitive because Cam Jordan only had a $9MM cap hit.

Za'Darius has almost a $28MM cap hit next year and we all know how he was acting in the offseason before the season started. De'Vondre was a diamond in the rough and they likely cant find a way to bring him back so that will hurt. They may extend Preston Smith which will create some space, doubt they cut him especially if they dump Za'Darius. Can't do much with Bakhtiari's deal. Cobb could certainly be a cap casualty, but they you run the risk of having Lazard as your #1. Do they work out a deal with Davante where he's making $10MM in year 1 and then a boatload later?

It can certainly be done, I just think it's going to take a lot of strategy to get the high level guys to stay. Obviously praying it totally backfires and it all blows up :)

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