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The #Vikings are zeroing in on #Rams OC Kevin O’Connell as their head coach, sources tell me and @RapSheet. The deal can’t be finalized until after the Super Bowl.
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This makes me happy because it means we’re probably not blowing up what can be an incredible offense in competent hands. Get Cousins resigned to a cap friendly contract hopefully next. Then focus on getting a great defensive coordinator and have a solid draft/FA to fix our defense! 

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@"JustinTime18™" said:
The risks:

• Limited play calling experience — just 10 games in 2017, coincidentally Kirk's worst year
• As a green up-and-comer, unclear what kind of leadership he brings or culture he'll be able to build
• Defense has the potential to be catastrophic. DC hire will be key

10 games of play calling. More than I thought.



Yep! I am activating the wait and see mode

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@"Vanguard83" said: You all understand this increases the likelihood of Cousins staying. KOC was Kirk’s QB coach with “the team formerly known as Redskins” in what 2017?

....still celebrating the hire?

and we are doing what exactly to address the fact that we cant keep a team from scoring less than 30 points a game?


This is me. I will 100% give this guy a chance and hope to my bones he’s the next McVay. But it’s just hard for me to get fired up about many more years of Kirk. Genuinely hoping they both prove me wrong and there’s a Kirk statue outside USB someday. Life of a Vikings fan. 

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Pretty deflating thinking Harbaugh was our guy to falling back to OConnell. But that's the Vikings for you. Set you up emotionally for something big only to disappoint. O'Connell would have been my second choice out of the candidates interviewed but still...this sucks 

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@"Vanguard83" said: You all understand this increases the likelihood of Cousins staying. KOC was Kirk’s QB coach with “the team formerly known as Redskins” in what 2017?

....still celebrating the hire?

and we are doing what exactly to address the fact that we cant keep a team from scoring less than 30 points a game?


I'm not going to try and talk you into or out of anything...

But why does hiring KOC mean we're going to ignore the defense in any way, shape or form?

LaFleur, McVay and these other young offensive guru HC's seemed to build good D's. Why not KOC? 

Its being reported the Vikings were most impressed with KOC's vision for the team vs any of them. 

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#46 · Feb 2, 6:57 PM
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Kevin O'Connell is 36. Kwesi Adofo-Mensah is 40. This is a new era in Minnesota with a young, first-time head coach pairing up with a young, first-time GM. The focus will be on collaboration, culture, and leadership as they look to build a team that can contend for Super Bowls.
He has over three years experience as OC and also worked with Cousins before so that’s a bonus. 
Tbh this is highly debatable whether it’s a bonus or not. 
Bonus for those who wanted to keep Cousins. A coach with prior history with him sure helps even though Cousins had his worst year when he was OC. In fairness it was Jay Grudens offense and he was fired that same year. That also is when O’Connell got a chance to call plays. As I already pointed out, he has very limited experience calling plays (we have been told that was a big deal so I am just pointing it out) Again very risky. We will never know why we could not get Harbaugh but thats water under the bridge
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While I was intrigued by Harbaugh, I had wanted a young, offensive minded coach to replace Zimmer and O'Connell definitely fits that bill. I want an offense that keeps attacking and doesn't try to run out the clock with a 1-score lead in the 3rd quarter. It will be interesting to see what coaching staff he assembles. Who will be the DC? Does he keep any existing coaches like Patterson, McCardell, or Ficken? What will his vision for the team be and can he be a complete head coach and not just an offensive specialist?

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@"Havoc1649" said: This makes me happy because it means we’re probably not blowing up what can be an incredible offense in competent hands. Get Cousins resigned to a cap friendly contract hopefully next. Then focus on getting a great defensive coordinator and have a solid draft/FA to fix our defense! 
When has Cousins ever thought of doing anything Cap friendly? There is zero chance of that happening
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@"purplefaithful" said:
@"Vanguard83" said: You all understand this increases the likelihood of Cousins staying. KOC was Kirk’s QB coach with “the team formerly known as Redskins” in what 2017?

....still celebrating the hire?

and we are doing what exactly to address the fact that we cant keep a team from scoring less than 30 points a game?


I'm not going to try and talk you into or out of anything...

But why does hiring KOC mean we're going to ignore the defense in any way, shape or form?

LaFleur, McVay and these other young offensive guru HC's seemed to build good D's. Why not KOC? 

Its being reported the Vikings were most impressed with KOC's vision for the team vs any of them. 



I understand the “youth movement” thing, but we have an aging and SLOW defense with LOTS of holes to fill. We have more weapons on O than on D.

So the guy has “vision”, and interviewed well....does that translate to W’s?
so we throw the ball more on first and second down, awesome....
We still dont have a competent defense, or a “money” kicker.

V83 on suicide watch...

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@"mblack" said:
@"JustinTime18™" said:
The risks:

• Limited play calling experience — just 10 games in 2017, coincidentally Kirk's worst year
• As a green up-and-comer, unclear what kind of leadership he brings or culture he'll be able to build
• Defense has the potential to be catastrophic. DC hire will be key

10 games of play calling. More than I thought.



Yep! I am activating the wait and see mode


I'll join you down the road on that, no doubt. 

Tonight I will enjoy a little happy. 

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Vikings land Kevin O'Connell as head coach: Minnesota intends to finalize deal with Rams OC after Super Bowl
The Minnesota Vikings intend to finalize a deal with Los Angeles Ramsoffensive coordinator Kevin O'Connell after the Super Bowl to be the team's next head coach, according to CBS Sports NFL Insider Jason La Canfora. The move cannot become official until after Los Angeles' meeting with the Cincinnati Bengals in Super Bowl LVI on Feb. 13.

The coach had also interviewed with the Jaguars and Broncos for their respective vacancies. After conducting an in-person interview with Michigan head coach Jim Harbaugh on Wednesday, Minnesota informed its other finalists -- Giants defensive coordinator Patrick Graham and Rams defensive coordinator Raheem Morris -- that they were no longer being considered, according to NFL Media's Tom Pelissero
O'Connell, 36, has served in his current role for two seasons. He had previously spent three seasons with the Washington Commanders, including the 2019 season in which he served as offensive coordinator. In Kirk Cousins' final season with Washington, O'Connell was his quarterback's coach. His coaching career began in 2015 as a quarterbacks coach with the Cleveland Browns under head coach Mike Pettine. In 2016, he moved on to San Francisco and worked on special projects for the 49ers alongside new Vikings general manager Kwesi Adofo-Mensah.
The California native will become the 10th head coach in Vikings history. 
Los Angeles was aggressive last offseason, acquiring Matthew Stafford in a trade with the Lions. The Rams offense moved up two spots from No. 10 overall in 2020 to No. 8 overall in Football Outsiders' DVOA, which is a weighted metric designed to measure offensive effectiveness

Prior to coaching, the San Diego State product represented five organizations over the course of five seasons in the NFL. He served as Tom Brady's backup with New England in 2008 after being taken in the third round of the draft.
For the second consecutive year, a Rams assistant coach has been hired elsewhere as head coach. Brandon Staley was hired by the Chargers last offseason. 
According to Spotrac.com, the Vikings are projected to have the fourth lowest salary cap space at roughly $-14 million. They do have the rights to the No. 12 overall selection in the 2022 NFL Draft
The NFL pushed back the league calendar to accommodate the addition of Week 18, and that has had a direct impact on the hiring process. A year ago, the first head coaching hire was made Jan. 14 and the final hire was made Jan. 29. The GiantsRaidersBearsBroncos and now Vikings have hired new head coaches. The JaguarsDolphinsTexans and Saints still have active openings
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/agents-take-2021-contract-awards-starring-matthew-stafford-among-nfls-best-and-worst-signings-of-the-year/

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@"supafreak84" said: Pretty deflating thinking Harbaugh was our guy to falling back to OConnell. But that's the Vikings for you. Set you up emotionally for something big only to disappoint. O'Connell would have been my second choice out of the candidates interviewed but still...this sucks 
If Harbaugh was the guy they would have made an offer.  Since they didn't he wasn't their guy. 
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@"supafreak84" said: Pretty deflating thinking Harbaugh was our guy to falling back to OConnell. But that's the Vikings for you. Set you up emotionally for something big only to disappoint. O'Connell would have been my second choice out of the candidates interviewed but still...this sucks 
If Harbaugh was the guy they would have made an offer.  Since they didn't he wasn't their guy. 

They might not have been close on numbers so no official offer was made. It was rumored he wanted a ten year contract worth 10 million a year and likely some roster control. 

Again, it's like being told by your parents they are taking you to Disneyland but you end up at the county fair instead. But I'd expect nothing less as a Vikings fan...

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So Rams went from 10 in Offense with Goff to 8 with Stafford.
Vikings were 12 this season.

Our D finished what (if i recall) 22?

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@"supafreak84" said:
@"Greylock" said:
@"supafreak84" said: Pretty deflating thinking Harbaugh was our guy to falling back to OConnell. But that's the Vikings for you. Set you up emotionally for something big only to disappoint. O'Connell would have been my second choice out of the candidates interviewed but still...this sucks 
If Harbaugh was the guy they would have made an offer.  Since they didn't he wasn't their guy. 

They might not have been close on numbers so no official offer was made. It was rumored he wanted a ten year contract worth 10 million a year and likely some roster control. 

Again, it's like being told by your parents they are taking you to Disneyland but you end up at the county fair instead. But I'd expect nothing less as a Vikings fan...



Yea those are ridiculous numbers for a HC.  Glad we passed.  Liking O'Connell.  

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My read on the Harbaugh/Vikings situation in speaking with sources: Harbaugh was in the mix for the Minnesota job because of his connection to Kwesi Adofo-Mensah. He operated under the assumption that the job was his and prepared for the interview as such.
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The Vikings saw this very differently and not as a 'slam dunk' as a source put it to me, the way they felt Harbaugh viewed the situation coming into Wed. There was no offer extended. This isn't necessarily a matter of who said no to who, but 2 sides that did not align on the
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nature of what the in-person meeting was all about. The Vikings brought Harbaugh into Minnesota to interview, just like they did with Pat Graham on Tues. Followed the same format and everything.
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FWIW, I don't gather that there's any bad blood from either side. Just sounds like a difference in expectation from Harbaugh's perspective and from the Vikings'.
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He shouldn't have operated under that assumption. You know what happens when you assume. And a 10 year contract? Fuck that 

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I said it earlier but this is either the smartest or dumbest decision the Vikings have made in a long time. For now we just have to trust in Kwesi. Hopefully O’Connell is that dude!

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