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Ivy Leaguers stick together, and new Minnesota GM Kwesi Adofo-Mensah (Princeton) is a big fan of Patrick Graham (Yale), a 13-year NFL assistant who also interviewed for the #Giants head coaching job.

Skull and Bones shit.



Yea, not liking this thought-process at all.  Giants have been crap for years and are not real known to be pumping out good coaches.  Is this guy from the Shumur tree or Joe Judge??

I am pulling for Morris or O'Connell at this point.  

This will be Kwesi's first big decision and even this look-see makes me Kwesi.  



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Ya'll better get ready for some unconventional thinking. I'd say KAM is more likely to hire his guy based on leadership, strategic and philosophical alignment than whatever his record might have been with a terrible team. There are a thousand different factors that go into that. 
And ya know what? I don't disagree with that approach. The whole idea behind analytics is to look beyond the surface results. 


Honestly, it looks like cronyism to me.

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@"JustinTime18™" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"minny65" said:
@"JustinTime18™" said:
@"minny65" said:
@"JustinTime18™" said:
Ivy Leaguers stick together, and new Minnesota GM Kwesi Adofo-Mensah (Princeton) is a big fan of Patrick Graham (Yale), a 13-year NFL assistant who also interviewed for the #Giants head coaching job.

Skull and Bones shit.



Yea, not liking this thought-process at all.  Giants have been crap for years and are not real known to be pumping out good coaches.  Is this guy from the Shumur tree or Joe Judge??

I am pulling for Morris or O'Connell at this point.  

This will be Kwesi's first big decision and even this look-see makes me Kwesi.  



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https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/GrahPa0.htm


 Still No :)



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Ya'll better get ready for some unconventional thinking. I'd say KAM is more likely to hire his guy based on leadership, strategic and philosophical alignment than whatever his record might have been with a terrible team. There are a thousand different factors that go into that. 
And ya know what? I don't disagree with that approach. The whole idea behind analytics is to look beyond the surface results. 


Honestly, it looks like cronyism to me.


I am with you there. More like ..."let me find a way to justify this 'unpopular' decision".
Anyway, my approach has been not to criticize the thought process. I'll wait and see the results and then ask questions.

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@"JustinTime18™" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"minny65" said:
@"JustinTime18™" said:
@"minny65" said:
@"JustinTime18™" said:
Ivy Leaguers stick together, and new Minnesota GM Kwesi Adofo-Mensah (Princeton) is a big fan of Patrick Graham (Yale), a 13-year NFL assistant who also interviewed for the #Giants head coaching job.

Skull and Bones shit.



Yea, not liking this thought-process at all.  Giants have been crap for years and are not real known to be pumping out good coaches.  Is this guy from the Shumur tree or Joe Judge??

I am pulling for Morris or O'Connell at this point.  

This will be Kwesi's first big decision and even this look-see makes me Kwesi.  



Tree

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/GrahPa0.htm


 Still No :)



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Ya'll better get ready for some unconventional thinking. I'd say KAM is more likely to hire his guy based on leadership, strategic and philosophical alignment than whatever his record might have been with a terrible team. There are a thousand different factors that go into that. 
And ya know what? I don't disagree with that approach. The whole idea behind analytics is to look beyond the surface results. 


Honestly, it looks like cronyism to me.


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Because they both went to Ivy League schools? Man, that's a stretch. 

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#24 · Jan 28, 2:10 PM
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looks to me like Kwesi is just sharpening up his interview skills on someone he knows the Vikings will never hire. ;)

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no one else is considering Graham for HC. so its prob good due dilligence on DCs. I hope

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Maybe it's buying time until a team in the playoffs is eliminated. 

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@"Vikergirl" said: Maybe it's buying time until a team in the playoffs is eliminated. 
I hope so.
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KAM is sharpening his interviewer skills so hes not nervous for the real ones.... this is just practice.

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@"MaroonBells" said:
@"minny65" said:
@"JustinTime18™" said:
@"minny65" said:
@"JustinTime18™" said:
Ivy Leaguers stick together, and new Minnesota GM Kwesi Adofo-Mensah (Princeton) is a big fan of Patrick Graham (Yale), a 13-year NFL assistant who also interviewed for the #Giants head coaching job.

Skull and Bones shit.



Yea, not liking this thought-process at all.  Giants have been crap for years and are not real known to be pumping out good coaches.  Is this guy from the Shumur tree or Joe Judge??

I am pulling for Morris or O'Connell at this point.  

This will be Kwesi's first big decision and even this look-see makes me Kwesi.  



Tree

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/GrahPa0.htm


 Still No :)



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Ya'll better get ready for some unconventional thinking. I'd say KAM is more likely to hire his guy based on leadership, strategic and philosophical alignment than whatever his record might have been with a terrible team. There are a thousand different factors that go into that. 
And ya know what? I don't disagree with that approach. The whole idea behind analytics is to look beyond the surface results. 

So I'm all good with "analyzing" things.  But wins/losses should be one of those numbers they look at.  As should yards/game.  The Giants were a bottom 1/3rd D last year.

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@"AGRforever" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"minny65" said:
@"JustinTime18™" said:
@"minny65" said:
@"JustinTime18™" said:
Ivy Leaguers stick together, and new Minnesota GM Kwesi Adofo-Mensah (Princeton) is a big fan of Patrick Graham (Yale), a 13-year NFL assistant who also interviewed for the #Giants head coaching job.

Skull and Bones shit.



Yea, not liking this thought-process at all.  Giants have been crap for years and are not real known to be pumping out good coaches.  Is this guy from the Shumur tree or Joe Judge??

I am pulling for Morris or O'Connell at this point.  

This will be Kwesi's first big decision and even this look-see makes me Kwesi.  



Tree

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/GrahPa0.htm


 Still No :)



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Ya'll better get ready for some unconventional thinking. I'd say KAM is more likely to hire his guy based on leadership, strategic and philosophical alignment than whatever his record might have been with a terrible team. There are a thousand different factors that go into that. 
And ya know what? I don't disagree with that approach. The whole idea behind analytics is to look beyond the surface results. 

So I'm all good with "analyzing" things.  But wins/losses should be one of those numbers they look at.  As should yards/game.  The Giants were a bottom 1/3rd D last year.


 I'm already getting over this:  Let's get Kwesi crazy and expect the unconventional.  Sometimes the best decision is an easy decision, and it is nothing unconventional.  I mean this is getting to the point in two days where Kwesi might be talking to Elon Musk for HC :)

I will give the guy some room to make his first big decision as long as it is Morris/O'Connell  :)  

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@"AGRforever" said:

So I'm all good with "analyzing" things.  But wins/losses should be one of those numbers they look at.  As should yards/game.  The Giants were a bottom 1/3rd D last year.


 That is what happens when you let Dalvin Tomlinson slip through your fingers.   ;)

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@"AGRforever" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"minny65" said:
@"JustinTime18™" said:
@"minny65" said:
@"JustinTime18™" said:
Ivy Leaguers stick together, and new Minnesota GM Kwesi Adofo-Mensah (Princeton) is a big fan of Patrick Graham (Yale), a 13-year NFL assistant who also interviewed for the #Giants head coaching job.

Skull and Bones shit.



Yea, not liking this thought-process at all.  Giants have been crap for years and are not real known to be pumping out good coaches.  Is this guy from the Shumur tree or Joe Judge??

I am pulling for Morris or O'Connell at this point.  

This will be Kwesi's first big decision and even this look-see makes me Kwesi.  



Tree

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/GrahPa0.htm


 Still No :)



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Ya'll better get ready for some unconventional thinking. I'd say KAM is more likely to hire his guy based on leadership, strategic and philosophical alignment than whatever his record might have been with a terrible team. There are a thousand different factors that go into that. 
And ya know what? I don't disagree with that approach. The whole idea behind analytics is to look beyond the surface results. 

So I'm all good with "analyzing" things.  But wins/losses should be one of those numbers they look at.  As should yards/game.  The Giants were a bottom 1/3rd D last year.



Every GM will look at stats differently. HC’s will too. It’s a passing league and the Giants ranked middle of the pack in advanced passing defense. They were pretty bad in advanced rushing defense though. 49ers are the only team left in the top 14 for advanced rushing defense (Pro Football Reference Metrics) FWIW.

Wish we knew what Kwesi looked at for advanced analytics so maybe who he hires guides us in that direction.

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I interact daily with a few Giant fanatics.  General consensus...they like him a lot, but don't see him as a head coach yet.  Super smart, players really like him and they are hoping to keep him as DC.  See him as a HC in a few years time.

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@"purple4life" said: I interact daily with a few Giant fanatics.  General consensus...they like him a lot, but don't see him as a head coach yet.  Super smart, players really like him and they are hoping to keep him as DC.  See him as a HC in a few years time.
I'm waiting for the really dumb candidates :(
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Vikings interview Giants DC Patrick Graham today. Keep a close eye on this one. Graham and Vikings GM Kwesi Adofo-Mensah have built a strong relationship over the last year.

When Adofo-Mensah got the job, a name he gave the Vikes in his int'w was added to the HC search—Graham's.

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https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/09/07/how-patrick-graham-became-the-black-picasso

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@"JustinTime18™" said: https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/09/07/how-patrick-graham-became-the-black-picasso


The Black Picasso?  This is getting beyond silly.

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We have completed an interview with Giants Defensive Coordinator/Assistant Head Coach Patrick Graham for our open Head Coach position.

Waiting on one of these for Harbaugh

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Former Dolphins’ HC Brian Flores, a finalist for the Texans’ HC job, is scheduled to interview today for the Saints’ HC job. Giants’ DC Patrick Graham is scheduled to interview today for the Vikings’ HC job.
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