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Odds On The Next HC

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#1 · Jan 11, 8:18 AM
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The best coaches the Vikings ever had were Grant and Green. They both had previous head coaching experience. As new Mets owner Steve Cohen has said, “ I’m not into people learning on my dime”. So I’m in favor of someone with previous head coaching experience. And I don’t care about color. That means not restricting choice just to white guys. It also means not caving into diversity worshippers and picking someone to make the CNN crowd happy. Get it?

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#22 · Jan 11, 12:16 PM
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As for Dungy, if a white analyst got on tv and mentioned all his top choices, and they were all white, he would be criticized for lack of diversity and be labeled racist. But Tony NEVER mentions a white guy when mentioning his choices. So how is that any less racist?

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#23 · Jan 11, 12:22 PM
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@"Lee 19" said: As for Dungy, if a white analyst got on tv and mentioned all his top choices, and they were all white, he would be criticized for lack of diversity and be labeled racist. But Tony NEVER mentions a white guy when mentioning his choices. So how is that any less racist?
This is a packed statement. On the surface one may agree with what you are saying but you need to go deeper 
  1. As far as I know, Tony has not put out a list of top choices (I stand corrected).
  2. Tony typically suggests a candidate for a job when his opinion is asked. Example:https://twitter.com/J_A_Foster/status/1471497251633577994?s=20
  3. When he provides what he considers as good candidates his choices are usually black coaches (I assume this is what you are referring to). That does seem worrisome till you look at the profile of the candidates. Examples:
    • Jim Caldwell and Leslie Frazier: 
      • All have coached with him thus he can talk about their potential and character. He is better placed to judge them that someone writing an article 
      • Both have been head coaches before with "some" degree of success.
      • Both have the qualifications to be considered for a head coach
      • Both have a long history of coaching and developing players and building teams
    • Eric Bienemy and Byron Leftwich
      • They are coordinators that have put in their time (in some cases more than others that have been hired from this position)
      • They work for winning teams and have statistically improved their teams / position groups
      • They have shown that they can evolve with the game
      • Coordinators from their teams have been hired in the past and near past for head coaching jobs
      • These two have been the only coordinators in the recent past that have not been hired away from these teams after steller seasons despite expanded roles than prior coordinators 
  4. When you look at the points in 2 above, what Tony is doing is advocating for his "kind" who are also very qualified yet do not have a fair shake like many others. We all know the names that pop up of "hot" candidates (who always happen to be white) with little to no coaching/leadership experience let alone NFL experience.
  5. If you were to replace the names of the people above on their prospective teams with typical white names would there be any hesitation about their qualification?
Lastly, being qualified is just one step to being hired. You still have to:
  1. Interview well
  2. Be the right fit
  3. Demonstrate how you would elevate the team with a plan for the future
And when all is said and done you hope the decision is made based on your body of work
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#24 · Jan 11, 12:54 PM
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So let me guess Lee, you call your car the “General,” right…!?  ;) 

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@"Kentis" said: So let me guess Lee, you call your car the “General,” right…!?  ;) 

If my memory hasn't faded away yet, it could be Bobby Lee #19, backup to Fran Tarkington during the 70s.

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#26 · Jan 11, 3:07 PM
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I will be shocked if it isn't Doug Pederson. Though there are some other good candidates as well.

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@"ArizonaViking" said:
@"Kentis" said: So let me guess Lee, you call your car the “General,” right…!?  ;) 

If my memory hasn't faded away yet, it could be Bobby Lee #19, backup to Fran Tarkington during the 70s.



Howard Cosell always called him General Lee.

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#28 · Jan 11, 10:23 PM
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@"kmillard" said: I will be shocked if it isn't Doug Pederson. Though there are some other good candidates as well.

I got no issues with D. Pederson, none.

But I'm just the opposite, I have a feeling the new HC is going to be someone we might not have expected.

Just a gut feel, especially with the GM unknown for now. 

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@"purplefaithful" said:
@"kmillard" said: I will be shocked if it isn't Doug Pederson. Though there are some other good candidates as well.

I got no issues with D. Pederson, none.

But I'm just the opposite, I have a feeling the new HC is going to be someone we might not have expected.

Just a gut feel, especially with the GM unknown for now. 



I could be happy with 4 of the candidates for sure. Hope they do their due diligence on Kevin O'Connell. Worried about the potential GM though. The wilfs should be involved in the hiring, as I don't trust Andrew Miller to get it right.

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#30 · Jan 13, 11:49 AM
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Next GM Brandon Brown
Coach Jonathan Gannon

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