Troubling Rumor from Tom Moore

@"Still Hurtn" said: Zim will turn 66 this year which makes him the 4th oldest coach in the NFL. Time to clean the slate. I would be good if they Vikes cleaned up the roster to. Barr, Cousins, and a few others can go. Trading a few players if you can get high value. Cook and Hunter. New GM and coach. Keep sucking for a year or two and rebuild!

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Rigby" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: In equally believable news, Vikings are said to covet Jimmy Garoppolo and are willing to give up Justin Jefferson and Dakota Dozier to get him. 

Thought about it for a moment, but it has to be a no go with the inclusion of Dozier.

Yeah, that's what the 49ers said too. 

My biggest concern is that 2022 is a throw away year. They bring back Zimmer because they don’t want to pay him off.  So cosmetically they replace Spielman with in house Jamal Stephenson which means no real change. Even if they unload Kirk, if they bring in chicken arm Bridgewater your passing game goes in the shitter.

@"Bullazin" said:

@"Still Hurtn" said: Zim will turn 66 this year which makes him the 4th oldest coach in the NFL. Time to clean the slate. I would be good if they Vikes cleaned up the roster to. Barr, Cousins, and a few others can go. Trading a few players if you can get high value. Cook and Hunter. New GM and coach. Keep sucking for a year or two and rebuild!

This is a possibility but I would think unlikely as far as the trades go for sure. Cookie and Hunter are arguably our 2 best players and still in their prime. 

My biggest concern is that we are lacking quality coaches in the coaching staff.  I kind of want to know if Zimmer was told to just make it work with Kubiak and A. Zimmer/Patterson, rather than getting experienced coordinators or if these were his top choices.
If he was forced down this path or forced into Cousins, and the owners felt he was limited, I could see getting one more year.

I could also see that maybe you bring in a GM and let him get the lay of the land for a year before bringing in a HC.

@"medaille" said:

My biggest concern is that we are lacking quality coaches in the coaching staff.  I kind of want to know if Zimmer was told to just make it work with Kubiak and A. Zimmer/Patterson, rather than getting experienced coordinators or if these were his top choices. If he was forced down this path or forced into Cousins, and the owners felt he was limited, I could see getting one more year.

I could also see that maybe you bring in a GM and let him get the lay of the land for a year before bringing in a HC.

If Zimmer is our HC next year I am taking a non-Covid year off (paid I might add) as a Viking fan.  My payment will be the ability to not watch closely and be able to laugh and say "I told ya so".  Oh wait, I have already done that this year.  OK, a sabbatical then.  Hold my place!

@"Wetlander" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: Makes sense to replace the GM first and then let him determine the coaching situation.   However what concerns me is that I still don't think Zimmer was Rick's pick,  I think that was Parcells influence and this move would make me wonder if he isn't still in their ear and is actually the one running the team.

Why do you say that?  From what I recall, both bonded over being sons of coaches and their love of football.  Obviously any HC pick isn't just the GM's decision, ownership is involved as well, but Spielman seemed all in with Zimmer by the way they talked about each other after he was hired.  Didn't sound like window dressing, seemed genuine.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: Makes sense to replace the GM first and then let him determine the coaching situation.   However what concerns me is that I still don't think Zimmer was Rick's pick,  I think that was Parcells influence and this move would make me wonder if he isn't still in their ear and is actually the one running the team.

Why do you say that?  From what I recall, both bonded over being sons of coaches and their love of football.  Obviously any HC pick isn't just the GM's decision, ownership is involved as well, but Spielman seemed all in with Zimmer by the way they talked about each other after he was hired.  Didn't sound like window dressing, seemed genuine.

I always found it too convenient that The Wilfs have always said they use Parcels as a NFL guide at times and that Zimmer had been passed over so many times and when Rick finally gets to hire his own head coach he chooses the guy that the Wilfs mentor has been pimping for so long?  That and I dont really see them as the same type of football guys.   I have my doubts that Rick would be so close minded to developing and utilizing more modern concepts to take advantage of the way the rules have changed.  Zimmer ball seems to still be trying to win the 1995 Superbowl.

I think Rick has learned from Zimmer when it comes to picking players, and he has been complimentary about it.  however I dont know that they are buddies or anything like that.  I just never got the feeling that Zim was Ricks choice.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: Makes sense to replace the GM first and then let him determine the coaching situation.   However what concerns me is that I still don't think Zimmer was Rick's pick,  I think that was Parcells influence and this move would make me wonder if he isn't still in their ear and is actually the one running the team.

Why do you say that?  From what I recall, both bonded over being sons of coaches and their love of football.  Obviously any HC pick isn't just the GM's decision, ownership is involved as well, but Spielman seemed all in with Zimmer by the way they talked about each other after he was hired.  Didn't sound like window dressing, seemed genuine.

I always found it too convenient that The Wilfs have always said they use Parcels as a NFL guide at times and that Zimmer had been passed over so many times and when Rick finally gets to hire his own head coach he chooses the guy that the Wilfs mentor has been pimping for so long?  That and I dont really see them as the same type of football guys.   I have my doubts that Rick would be so close minded to developing and utilizing more modern concepts to take advantage of the way the rules have changed.  Zimmer ball seems to still be trying to win the 1995 Superbowl.

I think Rick has learned from Zimmer when it comes to picking players, and he has been complimentary about it.  however I dont know that they are buddies or anything like that.  I just never got the feeling that Zim was Ricks choice.

@"Wetlander" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: Makes sense to replace the GM first and then let him determine the coaching situation.   However what concerns me is that I still don't think Zimmer was Rick's pick,  I think that was Parcells influence and this move would make me wonder if he isn't still in their ear and is actually the one running the team.

Why do you say that?  From what I recall, both bonded over being sons of coaches and their love of football.  Obviously any HC pick isn't just the GM's decision, ownership is involved as well, but Spielman seemed all in with Zimmer by the way they talked about each other after he was hired.  Didn't sound like window dressing, seemed genuine.

I always found it too convenient that The Wilfs have always said they use Parcels as a NFL guide at times and that Zimmer had been passed over so many times and when Rick finally gets to hire his own head coach he chooses the guy that the Wilfs mentor has been pimping for so long?  That and I dont really see them as the same type of football guys.   I have my doubts that Rick would be so close minded to developing and utilizing more modern concepts to take advantage of the way the rules have changed.  Zimmer ball seems to still be trying to win the 1995 Superbowl.

I think Rick has learned from Zimmer when it comes to picking players, and he has been complimentary about it.  however I dont know that they are buddies or anything like that.  I just never got the feeling that Zim was Ricks choice.

What is Zimmer ball?  If it's having a strong running game to compliment a play-action passing attack...  you must hate watching the Packers, Rams, Patriots, Ravens, Saints, and 49ers.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: Makes sense to replace the GM first and then let him determine the coaching situation.   However what concerns me is that I still don't think Zimmer was Rick's pick,  I think that was Parcells influence and this move would make me wonder if he isn't still in their ear and is actually the one running the team.

Why do you say that?  From what I recall, both bonded over being sons of coaches and their love of football.  Obviously any HC pick isn't just the GM's decision, ownership is involved as well, but Spielman seemed all in with Zimmer by the way they talked about each other after he was hired.  Didn't sound like window dressing, seemed genuine.

I always found it too convenient that The Wilfs have always said they use Parcels as a NFL guide at times and that Zimmer had been passed over so many times and when Rick finally gets to hire his own head coach he chooses the guy that the Wilfs mentor has been pimping for so long?  That and I dont really see them as the same type of football guys.   I have my doubts that Rick would be so close minded to developing and utilizing more modern concepts to take advantage of the way the rules have changed.  Zimmer ball seems to still be trying to win the 1995 Superbowl.

I think Rick has learned from Zimmer when it comes to picking players, and he has been complimentary about it.  however I dont know that they are buddies or anything like that.  I just never got the feeling that Zim was Ricks choice.

@"VikingOracle" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: Makes sense to replace the GM first and then let him determine the coaching situation.   However what concerns me is that I still don't think Zimmer was Rick's pick,  I think that was Parcells influence and this move would make me wonder if he isn't still in their ear and is actually the one running the team.

Why do you say that?  From what I recall, both bonded over being sons of coaches and their love of football.  Obviously any HC pick isn't just the GM's decision, ownership is involved as well, but Spielman seemed all in with Zimmer by the way they talked about each other after he was hired.  Didn't sound like window dressing, seemed genuine.

I always found it too convenient that The Wilfs have always said they use Parcels as a NFL guide at times and that Zimmer had been passed over so many times and when Rick finally gets to hire his own head coach he chooses the guy that the Wilfs mentor has been pimping for so long?  That and I dont really see them as the same type of football guys.   I have my doubts that Rick would be so close minded to developing and utilizing more modern concepts to take advantage of the way the rules have changed.  Zimmer ball seems to still be trying to win the 1995 Superbowl.

I think Rick has learned from Zimmer when it comes to picking players, and he has been complimentary about it.  however I dont know that they are buddies or anything like that.  I just never got the feeling that Zim was Ricks choice.

I do think the Wilfs listened to people with their own agendas when hiring both Zimmer and Childress -- people trying to reward Childress and Zimmer more than trying to hire the best coach for the Vikings.

I often think of something in my history, I and a couple friends went to the greyhound races for the first time.  Didn't know anything about how to bet the races.  This older gentleman decided to teach us and recommended some bets.  We lost each time.  Of course, the new mentor made a different bet after us -- "just came to him at the last moment."  He was using our small bets to try to manipulate the moving line (greyhound racing is like nickel slots).  Lesson stuck with me.

Follow up - Cook and Hunter have been injured alot over the past two years.. If some team is willing to give high draft picks take it. The point is if the Wilfs move on past Zim and Rick then start to let players go also. Start a new culture. Rebuild with new players. 

@"Wetlander" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: Makes sense to replace the GM first and then let him determine the coaching situation.   However what concerns me is that I still don't think Zimmer was Rick's pick,  I think that was Parcells influence and this move would make me wonder if he isn't still in their ear and is actually the one running the team.

Why do you say that?  From what I recall, both bonded over being sons of coaches and their love of football.  Obviously any HC pick isn't just the GM's decision, ownership is involved as well, but Spielman seemed all in with Zimmer by the way they talked about each other after he was hired.  Didn't sound like window dressing, seemed genuine.

I always found it too convenient that The Wilfs have always said they use Parcels as a NFL guide at times and that Zimmer had been passed over so many times and when Rick finally gets to hire his own head coach he chooses the guy that the Wilfs mentor has been pimping for so long?  That and I dont really see them as the same type of football guys.   I have my doubts that Rick would be so close minded to developing and utilizing more modern concepts to take advantage of the way the rules have changed.  Zimmer ball seems to still be trying to win the 1995 Superbowl.

I think Rick has learned from Zimmer when it comes to picking players, and he has been complimentary about it.  however I dont know that they are buddies or anything like that.  I just never got the feeling that Zim was Ricks choice.

What is Zimmer ball?  If it's having a strong running game to compliment a play-action passing attack...  you must hate watching the Packers, Rams, Patriots, Ravens, Saints, and 49ers.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: Makes sense to replace the GM first and then let him determine the coaching situation.   However what concerns me is that I still don't think Zimmer was Rick's pick,  I think that was Parcells influence and this move would make me wonder if he isn't still in their ear and is actually the one running the team.

Why do you say that?  From what I recall, both bonded over being sons of coaches and their love of football.  Obviously any HC pick isn't just the GM's decision, ownership is involved as well, but Spielman seemed all in with Zimmer by the way they talked about each other after he was hired.  Didn't sound like window dressing, seemed genuine.

I always found it too convenient that The Wilfs have always said they use Parcels as a NFL guide at times and that Zimmer had been passed over so many times and when Rick finally gets to hire his own head coach he chooses the guy that the Wilfs mentor has been pimping for so long?  That and I dont really see them as the same type of football guys.   I have my doubts that Rick would be so close minded to developing and utilizing more modern concepts to take advantage of the way the rules have changed.  Zimmer ball seems to still be trying to win the 1995 Superbowl.

I think Rick has learned from Zimmer when it comes to picking players, and he has been complimentary about it.  however I dont know that they are buddies or anything like that.  I just never got the feeling that Zim was Ricks choice.

What is Zimmer ball?  If it's having a strong running game to compliment a play-action passing attack...  you must hate watching the Packers, Rams, Patriots, Ravens, Saints, and 49ers.

Yep. Its not like a Zimmer offense hasn't produced. Its more about situational football and time management he stinks at. Lots of successful teams use 'Zimmer Ball'......they are just better at the other little things that win ball games. 

Really poor history of game chess
I'm not convinced the trenches are very good on either side
Shameful recent track record with DB's
Coordinator decisions going into 21 were poor in retrospect
I'm not convinced things are harmonious in the locker room

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"VikingOracle" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: Makes sense to replace the GM first and then let him determine the coaching situation.   However what concerns me is that I still don't think Zimmer was Rick's pick,  I think that was Parcells influence and this move would make me wonder if he isn't still in their ear and is actually the one running the team.

Why do you say that?  From what I recall, both bonded over being sons of coaches and their love of football.  Obviously any HC pick isn't just the GM's decision, ownership is involved as well, but Spielman seemed all in with Zimmer by the way they talked about each other after he was hired.  Didn't sound like window dressing, seemed genuine.

I always found it too convenient that The Wilfs have always said they use Parcels as a NFL guide at times and that Zimmer had been passed over so many times and when Rick finally gets to hire his own head coach he chooses the guy that the Wilfs mentor has been pimping for so long?  That and I dont really see them as the same type of football guys.   I have my doubts that Rick would be so close minded to developing and utilizing more modern concepts to take advantage of the way the rules have changed.  Zimmer ball seems to still be trying to win the 1995 Superbowl.

I think Rick has learned from Zimmer when it comes to picking players, and he has been complimentary about it.  however I dont know that they are buddies or anything like that.  I just never got the feeling that Zim was Ricks choice.

I do think the Wilfs listened to people with their own agendas when hiring both Zimmer and Childress -- people trying to reward Childress and Zimmer more than trying to hire the best coach for the Vikings.

I often think of something in my history, I and a couple friends went to the greyhound races for the first time.  Didn't know anything about how to bet the races.  This older gentleman decided to teach us and recommended some bets.  We lost each time.  Of course, the new mentor made a different bet after us -- "just came to him at the last moment."  He was using our small bets to try to manipulate the moving line (greyhound racing is like nickel slots).  Lesson stuck with me.

I bet on the last one to take a shit during the parade lap.  It worked....once

@"Wetlander" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: Makes sense to replace the GM first and then let him determine the coaching situation.   However what concerns me is that I still don't think Zimmer was Rick's pick,  I think that was Parcells influence and this move would make me wonder if he isn't still in their ear and is actually the one running the team.

Why do you say that?  From what I recall, both bonded over being sons of coaches and their love of football.  Obviously any HC pick isn't just the GM's decision, ownership is involved as well, but Spielman seemed all in with Zimmer by the way they talked about each other after he was hired.  Didn't sound like window dressing, seemed genuine.

I always found it too convenient that The Wilfs have always said they use Parcels as a NFL guide at times and that Zimmer had been passed over so many times and when Rick finally gets to hire his own head coach he chooses the guy that the Wilfs mentor has been pimping for so long?  That and I dont really see them as the same type of football guys.   I have my doubts that Rick would be so close minded to developing and utilizing more modern concepts to take advantage of the way the rules have changed.  Zimmer ball seems to still be trying to win the 1995 Superbowl.

I think Rick has learned from Zimmer when it comes to picking players, and he has been complimentary about it.  however I dont know that they are buddies or anything like that.  I just never got the feeling that Zim was Ricks choice.

What is Zimmer ball?  If it's having a strong running game to compliment a play-action passing attack...  you must hate watching the Packers, Rams, Patriots, Ravens, Saints, and 49ers.

@"Wetlander" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: Makes sense to replace the GM first and then let him determine the coaching situation.   However what concerns me is that I still don't think Zimmer was Rick's pick,  I think that was Parcells influence and this move would make me wonder if he isn't still in their ear and is actually the one running the team.

Why do you say that?  From what I recall, both bonded over being sons of coaches and their love of football.  Obviously any HC pick isn't just the GM's decision, ownership is involved as well, but Spielman seemed all in with Zimmer by the way they talked about each other after he was hired.  Didn't sound like window dressing, seemed genuine.

I always found it too convenient that The Wilfs have always said they use Parcels as a NFL guide at times and that Zimmer had been passed over so many times and when Rick finally gets to hire his own head coach he chooses the guy that the Wilfs mentor has been pimping for so long?  That and I dont really see them as the same type of football guys.   I have my doubts that Rick would be so close minded to developing and utilizing more modern concepts to take advantage of the way the rules have changed.  Zimmer ball seems to still be trying to win the 1995 Superbowl.

I think Rick has learned from Zimmer when it comes to picking players, and he has been complimentary about it.  however I dont know that they are buddies or anything like that.  I just never got the feeling that Zim was Ricks choice.

What is Zimmer ball?  If it's having a strong running game to compliment a play-action passing attack...  you must hate watching the Packers, Rams, Patriots, Ravens, Saints, and 49ers.